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Started by Julie Marie, June 29, 2011, 08:39:26 AM

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MarinaM

Quote from: Jen on August 13, 2011, 11:04:07 PM
"Corporations are people, my friend."

If that were true, then they would stop providing umbrella protections that allow CEO's to make decisions that would land you or I in jail for a veeeeery long time. Corporations are more like armored tanks, "But it's a tank! I had to use it that way!"

I'm going to go with the devil I know in this one unless a great business man lies to me like I want him to, because I honestly believe our current Pres. was handed a steaming pile of "nucular 'merucah" to try to clean up. Plus, "he" killed Bin Laden! 8 years...
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BunnyBee

Mitt Romney said that to a heckler the other day.  It's slightly out of context but a good soundbyte nevertheless lol.
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MarinaM

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justmeinoz

It's getting worse then?   ::) I am more convinced than ever before that the only thing your (speaking as someone outside the USA) Republican Party has going for it is that Sarah Palin is a bit of a spunk. :-* It is all a bit worrying.

Karen.
"Don't ask me, it was on fire when I lay down on it"
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tekla

Nah, even though all the polls (which this far out don't mean anything a year+ out) have Obama being beaten by a 'generic Republican' all those poll drop to defeat when an actual Republican is put in that slot.  For people who watch this, like me, it was obvious that the Rs were not going to really go after him, let this election be a wash, hopefully get rid of the tea party types, and look to 2016.

They have lost one of their key issues, 'defense/security', no one trusts them on economic issues, and the worse the economy gets the less social issues matter as those are really champagne problems.  No one who needs a job is going to care about gay marriage.   Palin and Bachman cant' capture any votes outside of their narrow range of fans, Rick Perry is on video record calling for/joking about (doesn't matter which) Texas succeeding from the Union, which makes him toast outside the South, Mitt is the oldest white guy in line, and in a normal year would get the nod (and I'm still thinking he will) but that Mormon deal hurts, and he's as dull as dishwater.  So pretty much Obama gets a walk.
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juliekins

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Julie Marie

Quote from: juliekins on August 14, 2011, 10:32:55 AM
Our real candid GOP candidates caught on film. All the rumors are true! :laugh:

http://veniceforchange.blogspot.com/2011/08/cornography.html


Oh my! What kind of reaction will those pictures cause? They made me blush!
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tekla

It's almost a photo-journal of her teaching him to give head.  "No, no Marcus, you don't bite it, you slide your lips over it..."  Her handlers are not ready for prime time, that's' for sure.  This is going right up there with Mike Dukakis  steering a tank, GHWB in marvel at the grocery store and John Kerry anytime.
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Tammy Hope

Quote from: Julie Marie on August 13, 2011, 06:52:14 PM
Not any more.  Our conservative majority Supreme Court made sure of that.  So anyone from anywhere can donate to the U.S. political parties and candidates.

Per what decision? I'm pretty sure the FEC has rules about it, but you have to contribute over a certain amount to be detailed.

I remember the dust up 4 years ago when Obama got a ton of money via small donations made but people for whom we had only a name - and a bunch of the names were obviously fake (I believe the most famous was DooDad Pro or something like that).

That's why i find this thread funny - the underlying implication that all would be well if not for right wingers.
Disclaimer: due to serious injury, most of my posts are made via Dragon Dictation which sometimes butchers grammar and mis-hears my words. I'm also too lazy to closely proof-read which means some of my comments will seem strange.


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Tammy Hope

Quote from: justmeinoz on August 14, 2011, 05:26:46 AM
It's getting worse then?   ::) I am more convinced than ever before that the only thing your (speaking as someone outside the USA) Republican Party has going for it is that Sarah Palin is a bit of a spunk. :-* It is all a bit worrying.

Karen.

Trust me on this - you have to be very careful about your sources if you want a balaned picture of the GOP over here.

Yes, to be very clear, they are ALL (left and right, Rep or Dem) a bunch of grasping, narcissistic, unethical, self-serving slimballs (as a group, there are a few exceptions) but a LOT of your "mainstream" outlets will portray the Republicans in the worst possible terms and the Democrats as mostly good folks with an occasional hiccup here and there.

and almost anything you read HERE about the Republicans will be wildly over-the-top because they are wrong on the equality issues (an understandable emotion - but emotion and not reason, nonetheless)

I'm a "small l" libertarian and haven't voted for a major party candidate when I had another option since 1992 (though I have voted in the GOP primaries since then) so I don't carry a bref for them - but that doesn't mean i can't roll my eyes out of the back of my head at the blind Democrat loyalty/Republican hatred which is rampant in the LGBT community. those of us who have ANY right of center views are as much freaks here as Trans folk are freaks among the (so-called) "normal" population.

By all means, read some left wing sources- HuffPost is great - to find out whats wrong with the GOP, but balance that out with some visits to the Weekly Standard or NRO for the opposite point of view.

And if you want to see how both of them are bad news, visit Reason.com
Disclaimer: due to serious injury, most of my posts are made via Dragon Dictation which sometimes butchers grammar and mis-hears my words. I'm also too lazy to closely proof-read which means some of my comments will seem strange.


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Tammy Hope

Quote from: justmeinoz on August 14, 2011, 05:26:46 AM
It's getting worse then?   ::) I am more convinced than ever before that the only thing your (speaking as someone outside the USA) Republican Party has going for it is that Sarah Palin is a bit of a spunk. :-* It is all a bit worrying.

Karen.

also, laying aside the equality issue because sadly, the primary voters in the GOP are way behind the curve on that one - the Republicans have an EXCELLENT core of young up-and-coming politicians (judged against the old guard particularly). They are just not quite up to the level of the national stage yet in most cases. i can't vouch for all these people completely - you never know what they might think that they haven't voiced loudly yet, or what might be going on behind the scenes (see for reference: Sanford, Mark) but based on what I know now, keep your eyes on:

(this list is not necessarily my endorsement - it's my surveying those people who will be big hits within the party over the coming decade or so)

Sen Marco Rubio <THE Future star if he stays on track
Sen. RandPaul <much better than his dad, not as nutty
Gov. Nikki Haley <You think Palin is hot...
Gov Bobby Jindal <worse than many on the "too religious" front but otherwise...
Gov Bob McDonnell < Virginia is a good springboard
Sen Mike Lee < I know much less about this guy
Sen Ron Johnson < ditto
Rep. Paul Ryan < the guy who would normally most appeal to moderates but he's getting demigauged big time
Sen. Pat Tomey <when he's on budget and not being tempted to the social issues
Rep. Allen West < hard right loves him which is death around here of course
Gov Scott Walker <vilified for changes he made, but many other governors left and right have made the same choices. He was used as a "hill to die on" by the unions ad he beat them.
Gov John Kasic (misspelled) < made a bad move (from our point of view) on the equality issues when he took office that was totally unnecessary. but that won't hurt him in the party and his economics are popular.
Gov. Chris Christie - I tend to think that, like Gulliani before him, that the national party loves him in the context of the Northeast but wouldn't like him so much on the national stage

That's just off the top of my head - there are others. anyone who tells you the GOP is bereft of appealing candidates for future races is simply not telling you the truth.
Disclaimer: due to serious injury, most of my posts are made via Dragon Dictation which sometimes butchers grammar and mis-hears my words. I'm also too lazy to closely proof-read which means some of my comments will seem strange.


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Tammy Hope

Quote from: EmmaM on August 14, 2011, 01:57:55 AM
If that were true, then they would stop providing umbrella protections that allow CEO's to make decisions that would land you or I in jail for a veeeeery long time. Corporations are more like armored tanks, "But it's a tank! I had to use it that way!"

I'm going to go with the devil I know in this one unless a great business man lies to me like I want him to, because I honestly believe our current Pres. was handed a steaming pile of "nucular 'merucah" to try to clean up. Plus, "he" killed Bin Laden! 8 years...

Devil's Advocate: He himself said he should have it fixed in three years - Three years ago.
Disclaimer: due to serious injury, most of my posts are made via Dragon Dictation which sometimes butchers grammar and mis-hears my words. I'm also too lazy to closely proof-read which means some of my comments will seem strange.


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Julie Marie

Quote from: Tammy Hope on August 15, 2011, 02:24:37 AM
Per what decision?

Justices, 5-4, Reject Corporate Spending Limit
By ADAM LIPTAK
Published: January 21, 2010

WASHINGTON — Overruling two important precedents about the First Amendment rights of corporations, a bitterly divided Supreme Court on Thursday ruled that the government may not ban political spending by corporations in candidate elections.

The 5-to-4 decision was a vindication, the majority said, of the First Amendment's most basic free speech principle — that the government has no business regulating political speech. The dissenters said that allowing corporate money to flood the political marketplace would corrupt democracy.


New York Times article

Quote from: Tammy Hope on August 15, 2011, 02:24:37 AM
That's why i find this thread funny - the underlying implication that all would be well if not for right wingers.
All five justices who voted for this are conservative.  The facts speak for themselves.  We don't need underlying implications.  This is not to say Democrats are saints, but the Republicans now always vote for big money.
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regan

Quote from: Tammy Hope on August 15, 2011, 02:33:07 AM
By all means, read some left wing sources- HuffPost is great - to find out whats wrong with the GOP, but balance that out with some visits to the Weekly Standard or NRO for the opposite point of view.

What blows my mind is that the average self-identified "conservative" can only reference talking points.  Get into a debate with them and ask for source materials and they stare at you blankly.  Sean Hannity is not a source, he's one person's opinion - just the same for Michael Moore.
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tekla

Future races, sure, perhaps - but you have to win the ones that are about to happen and it's not looking that good (nor should it).  You can say ' hard right loves him which is death around here of course' but you're acting like it's just a few of us, when in fact 'hard right' (and then some) is also electoral death in most of the large electoral states. 

Jindal, West, Haley no way.  Too much racism at the core level in the party still.  It's not even subtle on places like FreeRepublic and RedStates, and no one is going to with the R nomination without the support of that element of the party.

And Nikki Haley?  Really, all you can say about her qualification to hold national office is 'she's hot', boy that speaks volumes.  Thank's but I prefer Hillary, smart is better than pretty when it comes to government.  She needs to find a way out of the South and onto a national, or international stage before anyone is really going to look at her.

Rand Paul has too many views that create high negatives and the most wonderful ability to speak them in a really dumb manner, and though you can get undecided to shift positive, a candidates negatives never seem to go down so I don't think he get's beyond a cult, which is what his dad has, and hey, that's pretty good.  And the high negatives are also Palin's problem, she can't overcome her negative ratings. 

Ryan is going to get a lot of the blame for the budget screw up, and it was his baby, someones got to be responsible after all.  He's all but dead on the national scene unless there is a huge economic miracle in the next month or two. 

Rubio perhaps, he seems to avoid the problem of saying too much deerp, and he's sharp.  Would poll well among Hispanic voters who the Rs should have, but stupidly lost. 

Walker nope, his more a fluke Gov in Wisconsin who slid in due to Democratic bungling and mismanagement, other wise known as 'business as usual' for the Dems.  Let's see if he can win re-election.  Let's see if he can avoid recall, and win that if it happens.  Unions are big, huge complex things and they take some time to get all up and going particularly if you're trying to get them all up and going together.  But, BUT, when they do get going they can really rearrange elections.  All that election money deal cuts both ways and now the unions are not going to have any restrictions on what they can go do in Wisconsin and Ohio.  They have the golden key, money+manpower, and they are going to do everything they can, apply all the knowledge (and there is a lot of institutional knowledge about this in unions) they have accumulated in learning how to win elections to make sure that Walker and the other anti-union governors DON'T become national figures.  Because:  If you can't win statewide, you sure can't win nationwide.  Ahem there Rick Santorum (google it!). 

All that social stuff sinks Tomey on the coasts, and you have to carry at least part of them.

Gov. Chris Christie is about the best in the bunch, but I don't see it happening.  Too much prejudice in our current culture against fat people.  He doesn't come off on TV very well either.  And he has health problems.  But I could almost vote for a Chris Christie.  I wouldn't, but I almost could. 

John Kasich, I don't know why, but Ohio doesn't play well outside of Ohio.  No one from there in a long, long time has ever got any national traction.  Not even John Glenn.  Like I said I don't really know, but I've always wondered if they had any of that New Jersey underlying sleaze factor.  Some places state government is really so corrupt that you can't really do it with out it touching you somehow.  Louisiana too.  Also South Dakota for some reason.

And, as cool, now and happening as that list is, and I'd sure put Dick Cheney's daughter on it as well, none of them are running.  And what were being offered is not exactly inspiring.  My money is still on Romney because he's the oldest white guy in the room who's been waiting the longest and that's who they almost always give it to.  Tea party and bought polls and Iowa caucuses aside I'm pretty sure that big money still runs the Republican Party, and big money will out.

Now, since the 'Pubs can't run on their favorite issue - national defense/security - (since O has not cut the defense budget, nor ended the two wars, hell, he went out and got us one against that Quadafffyy guy, and he shot Ossma, that alone is a winner in a lot of places), and everyone seems bored with gay marriage, and because Jesusland is still pretty queasy 'bout that whole Mormon thing and because an election between Mitt and O on economic issues is going to be duller than dishwater, I don't see O losing.  And, as I've said, I don't think the real management of the Republican Party sees it any differently.
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MarinaM

Quote from: Tammy Hope on August 15, 2011, 02:52:50 AM
Devil's Advocate: He himself said he should have it fixed in three years - Three years ago.

I didn't believe he was going to fix anything this screwed up during his term, heck, it will take more than a decade, I'm sure. I look at that as just a small lie that no one really believed, uttered to help him get into office. This country can't function without fraud, why would I let another empty promise upset me now?

I also think Obama will win again, they will point to the phenomenal job loss that he endured as a result of whatever predicted change in policy that made American entrepreneur's spines turn to jelly at the beginning of his term, and the leveling off we see now, and put him up on a pedestal as though he is the one that stemmed the tide of despondence. Nothing has gone right for a very long time, and the person to set things right won't be any President, people have to get back out there and try like hell to find a way to make a living (we do, after all, have the world's debt to carry).
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Julie Marie

Quote from: EmmaM on August 15, 2011, 02:11:35 PM
I also think Obama will win again,

He's certainly doing things focused on that effort, like trying to be friends with everyone.  And that could be his downfall.  If the Dems get any more pissed at him, it could open the door for Hillary to steal the nod, if she's so inclined.  You know she has always wanted to be the first female president so I'm thinking that possibility still exists.

With the way things are now, Hillary could get votes from both sides.  And if she times it right, I think she could pull it off.  I'd certainly vote for her.  She's smart, tough, experienced and knows the office well.  We all know she wore the pants when Bill was in office.  And what she'll never say is a wife should be submissive to her husband.

As for O, if I thought he could grow a set in his second term, I'd feel better about voting for him.  But right now the only qualified person I'm seeing that would get the job done that needs to be done is Hillary.
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regan

Obama is a "known" quantity, in that you know what to expect of his presidency.  Any of the republicans are relatively "unknown" quantities in that you just have no reliable indication of what to expect of their presidencies.
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tekla

And if she times it right, I think she could pull it off.  I'd certainly vote for her.  She's smart, tough, experienced and knows the office well.

Eh, she's said she's done with national office after this term as Sec of State.  I believe her.  She really hasn't lied yet.  I really see her wanting to go back to Wellsley or some other place like that and teach and make big money writing her memoirs, doing consulting work and making speeches. 
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Julie Marie

Quote from: tekla on August 15, 2011, 09:27:42 PM
Eh, she's said she's done with national office after this term as Sec of State.  I believe her.  She really hasn't lied yet.  I really see her wanting to go back to Wellsley or some other place like that and teach and make big money writing her memoirs, doing consulting work and making speeches.

I'm allowing for, "It's a woman's prerogative to change her mind."  I'll forgive her if she does.  But I can certainly understand if she doesn't run.  The Republicans have shown they will take this country down if they have to in order to get the presidential seat back again.
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