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Dont want to offened any ladies but Why are very slutty mTF called prideful?

Started by LilKittyCatZoey, July 13, 2011, 02:09:02 PM

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Are they prideful?

yes and they are perfect the way they
5 (10%)
no i dont think they being slutty just prideful
1 (2%)
yes but they over do it
1 (2%)
no but nothing says thay shouldnt be how they want to be
12 (24%)
They are just girls being girls no harm done
15 (30%)
It embarrasses me
16 (32%)

Total Members Voted: 47

Stephe

Quote from: Annah on July 15, 2011, 01:34:50 PM
badly dressed natal females that dresses slutty that are role models paints a bad picture in impressionable minds of teenagers.

Likewise, transfemales that dresses slutty paints a bad picture on impressionable people who already know very little about us.


How do these two relate whatsoever? So if some women dress slutty that means teenagers then believe ALL women are slutty? I think most are smarter than this. Maybe YOU think it is OK to try to control other people's behavior but I sure don't. People can and will do what they want and you and this other person whining about it aren't gonna change anything. If anything it sounds like BOTH of you only want to HIDE that you are trans from the world and so why would you even care?
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Stephe

Quote from: Annah on July 15, 2011, 06:16:48 PM
When I type in "transsexual" the first image I get is a girl with a black bra pushed down so you can see her nipples.

http://www.google.com/search?q=transsexual&hl=en&biw=1920&bih=1080&prmd=ivnslb&source=lnms&tbm=isch&ei=9qQhToy1JdK5tgeHsu23Aw&sa=X&oi=mode_link&ct=mode&cd=2&ved=0CCIQ_AUoAQ

Maybe you can post the link you used to find slutty porn shot as first hit in images? Mine shows what looks to me like a variety of "normal" women..
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LilKittyCatZoey

STOP IT STOP FIGHTING !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I started this to find out are slutty t-girls being prideful and if so why are born women slutty and not prideful when dressed like that. now ladies please just answer that rather then fighting over something you will never agree apon and i would have been the reason for a few lovely ladies to hate each other and i dont want that so please just answer the topics title, 75 posts and no real answer yet just fight after fight after another fight sheesh. wheres the love????????????????
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xxUltraModLadyxx

i remember the first time i was searching for a serious support site for transsexuals, and i had to scroll through alot of "->-bleeped-<- hookups." the moral of the story is, if a site uses the words "->-bleeped-<- or ->-bleeped-<-," it is going to involve degrading and a lack of respect.
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LilKittyCatZoey

Quote from: FullMoon19 on July 16, 2011, 11:25:14 AM
i remember the first time i was searching for a serious support site for transsexuals, and i had to scroll through alot of "->-bleeped-<- hookups." the moral of the story is, if a site uses the words "->-bleeped-<- or ->-bleeped-<-," it is going to involve degrading and a lack of respect.

Finally a good  none argumentative comment thank you.
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xxUltraModLadyxx

Quote from: LilKittyCatZoey on July 16, 2011, 11:27:34 AM
Finally a good  none argumentative comment thank you.

your welcome. personally, i really don't believe in being argumentative anymore. being argumentative indicates an insecurity with ones own standpoint. what i say just is what it is whether you love it or hate it.
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LilKittyCatZoey

Girls i put up a poll please vote and lets finish up this topic  :D :D :D :D :D
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Stephe

Quote from: LilKittyCatZoey on July 16, 2011, 09:59:52 AM
I started this to find out are slutty t-girls being prideful and if so why are born women slutty and not prideful when dressed like that.

You assume if a born woman dresses slutty she is not "prideful" or is ashamed of looking that way. I think if a -person- dresses slutty she wants to appear to be slutty and it's just that simple. I don't see any difference between a slutty dressed trans woman and a slutty dressed born woman.
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Annah

Quote from: Stephe on July 16, 2011, 09:47:45 AM
How do these two relate whatsoever? So if some women dress slutty that means teenagers then believe ALL women are slutty? I think most are smarter than this. Maybe YOU think it is OK to try to control other people's behavior but I sure don't. People can and will do what they want and you and this other person whining about it aren't gonna change anything. If anything it sounds like BOTH of you only want to HIDE that you are trans from the world and so why would you even care?

people are impressionable....especially towards people who are stereotyped. It's a fact.

Also you are not qualified nor do you know me enought to make an accusation that I "hide" that i am trans from the world.

1. I speak at human sexuality classes in colleges about trans sexuality and gender
2. I intern at a church who knows i am transsexual
3. I am class councilwoman of my seminary on Diversity
4. I am part of the HRC where I represent transgender/transsexuals at their functions and parties

So don't lecture me about hiding. But you seem to personally attack anyone who disagrees with you. I will not stoop to that level.

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JungianZoe

Please, everyone, let's just calm down and take a deep breath. :)  Life is good, birds are still pretty, the sky is still blue, and that's what really matters!  That and staying on-topic, which we're decidedly off of now. :laugh:
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drkiara

wow yea i agree there with zoe we all need to calm down and take a deep breath. also if a girl (trans or born) want to dress slutty let them all they are doing is expressing their self you think when they put on those cloths they are thinking they want to put an image out there for everyone or are they just thinking hey i wanna be alittle free and frisky today. and you cant say you havent done it atleast once even me. there is days i have dresses (as you put it slutty or prideful) free and frisky. yes normally i wear jeans and a shirt but there are days i wanna put on my tight mini leather skirt with net stocking and heels and black bra with a pink net top (yes i will agree it does look alittle slutty when i do but i am just expressing the way i feel that day plus alot of my more slutty cloths are very comfe)
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Annah

Quote from: drkiara on July 16, 2011, 08:16:10 PM
and you cant say you havent done it atleast once even me.

That is a negatory. I appreciate your response and I really do value your opinion. However, when you stated "and you cant say you havent done it at least once.." furthers my argument that it is a stereotypical observation that all transsexuals have done this.....even a fellow transsexual thinks it!

I don't dress like that. I also do not personally judge anyone who does or who does it as a fetish; however, if I am going to be honest with myself, I have to say those who do that in public (outside or websites) like that further lays down a foundation of stereotypical behavior that all transsexuals have done it at least once.

As one poster said, some females of all shapes and sizes has dressed like that and it hasn't hurt anyone. Well, transsexuals have that stereotype branded on us right now that we dress like this. We are already at a disadvantage.

Think of it like this: imagine you are Muslim (or if you are ..then think about this)....how would you respond to your other Muslim friends if they run around doing things that only strengthen a stereotypical response from an ignorant person outside of that faith? Or what about the black culture? or the Gay culture?

My point is: when we already have a stereotypical agenda against us from the start, dressing up exactly like the stereotypical beliefs an ignorant person conceives of us in the first place will only make it harder for us to try to break that stereotypical belief that we all dress like that. The same for a Muslim family trying to convey to their neighbors that they are of peace and love or to a Black couple trying to convince their neigbors that they are indeed educated people.

Stereotypes are a bad and dangerous thing. In my opinion, we shouldn't be feeding it..at least out in public.

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drkiara

ok going along with my statemeant "and you cant say you havent done it atleast once even me." you have never gotten all dressed up like that for say halloween or to go to a club or something yes personally i wear jeans and a shirt i would say about 95% of the time as yes there is a degree where alot of ppl have taken it to far
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JungianZoe

Quote from: Laura91 on July 16, 2011, 09:37:33 PM
For Halloween 1990, my "costume" was a just a flannel shirt, T shirt and jeans. When one guy asked me "what are you supposed to be?" I smiled and said "I'm a psychotic killer but I look like everyone else".

I have a weird sense of humor.

LMAO!!  That sounds like the time I went to see my friends (around Halloween time) and they decided they wanted to go to a goth club.  Turns out it was the club's costume night and I wasn't wearing anything because we had no plans to go anywhere.  So when we got to the club, I stole a huge cluster of colorful balloons from the club's decorations, tied them to my head, and said I was Carmen Miranda. ;D
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Annah

Quote from: drkiara on July 16, 2011, 09:23:19 PM
ok going along with my statemeant "and you cant say you havent done it atleast once even me." you have never gotten all dressed up like that for say halloween or to go to a club or something yes personally i wear jeans and a shirt i would say about 95% of the time as yes there is a degree where alot of ppl have taken it to far

even for halloween i never dressed up in a short tight micro miniskirt, thigh highs (where you can see the top band) or huge stiletto heels. Im sorry. I never done that. If you did, more power to ya!
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LilKittyCatZoey

Quote from: drkiara on July 16, 2011, 08:16:10 PM
wow yea i agree there with zoe we all need to calm down and take a deep breath. also if a girl (trans or born) want to dress slutty let them all they are doing is expressing their self you think when they put on those cloths they are thinking they want to put an image out there for everyone or are they just thinking hey i wanna be alittle free and frisky today. and you cant say you havent done it atleast once even me. there is days i have dresses (as you put it slutty or prideful) free and frisky. yes normally i wear jeans and a shirt but there are days i wanna put on my tight mini leather skirt with net stocking and heels and black bra with a pink net top (yes i will agree it does look alittle slutty when i do but i am just expressing the way i feel that day plus alot of my more slutty cloths are very comfe)


Uh no my worst was being Tinkerbell but my skirt went below my knees i have never dressed sluttty in my life ! :D :D :D (Haha some what amazed that didnt alert my my mom)


And come now only ten votes? really ladies you wont help me :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( meanizzzzz :D :D :D :D :D
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SarahH

OK, so an attempt at a vaguely sensible response......I think the issue is that proportionally, there are more TS girls flaunting what theyve got compared to natal females, simply because the amount of TS is an extremely small compared to the number of natural girls out there.  Therefore, the overwhelming perception is of TSs being either a ->-bleeped-<- or TV....which pretty much all of us on here completely disagree with.  If you also add to the mix that the majority of TSs who pass and just want to get on with life dont put themselves on the internet and go into relative stealth mode, then the problem of TS representation on the internet only increases.

When it comes to TVs, my view is that they dress to put a certain persona on, and as its normally sexually driven, that persona is normally dressed in something tarty that most of us wouldnt want to be seen in.  Have I ever gone out dressed slutily....no....can i see why some girls do it.....yes....but we all must live in the normal world where we cant be arsed with makeup for a day or just want to throw some jeans on and go to the shops, and personally Id love to see what those girls dress like for the rest of the week.

One final thought....Ive been to a fair few TV and TS clubs to try and meet new people, and to be honest I feel massively awkward in there, simply as Im normally the one in jeans and a top rather than a stupidly small dress and ridiculously high heels.  It took me a while to realise that this is because I wasnt going out to be someone else for the night like most of the people in there....I was going out just to be myself.....and as soon as I realised that....TG friendly places really lost their appeal.

Ill now duck in the corner and wait for the missiles to fly back about that little rant!  Ps, I voted!x
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LilKittyCatZoey

Quote from: SarahH on July 17, 2011, 08:09:34 AM
OK, so an attempt at a vaguely sensible response......I think the issue is that proportionally, there are more TS girls flaunting what theyve got compared to natal females, simply because the amount of TS is an extremely small compared to the number of natural girls out there.  Therefore, the overwhelming perception is of TSs being either a ->-bleeped-<- or TV....which pretty much all of us on here completely disagree with.  If you also add to the mix that the majority of TSs who pass and just want to get on with life dont put themselves on the internet and go into relative stealth mode, then the problem of TS representation on the internet only increases.

When it comes to TVs, my view is that they dress to put a certain persona on, and as its normally sexually driven, that persona is normally dressed in something tarty that most of us wouldnt want to be seen in.  Have I ever gone out dressed slutily....no....can i see why some girls do it.....yes....but we all must live in the normal world where we cant be arsed with makeup for a day or just want to throw some jeans on and go to the shops, and personally Id love to see what those girls dress like for the rest of the week.

One final thought....Ive been to a fair few TV and TS clubs to try and meet new people, and to be honest I feel massively awkward in there, simply as Im normally the one in jeans and a top rather than a stupidly small dress and ridiculously high heels.  It took me a while to realise that this is because I wasnt going out to be someone else for the night like most of the people in there....I was going out just to be myself.....and as soon as I realised that....TG friendly places really lost their appeal.

Ill now duck in the corner and wait for the missiles to fly back about that little rant!  Ps, I voted!x

Mwa thanks i love your whole post i will send air kisses instead of missiles if you dont mind :D :D :-* :-* :-*
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tekla

Really, you all use the slut word like it's a bad thing or something.  As a general rule, most of the sluts, (TS/TG and regular girls) I know are pretty happy people.  People you like to invite to parties.  People who come to your parties and wake up there the next afternoon.   In coming to grips with all of this gender stuff it it not surprising to find you have an inner slut who needs to be unleashed. 

And it's not 'pride' per se.  It's open defiance.  But defiance is often a huge step on the road to pride.

Slut pride!  We are claiming it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SlutWalk
FIGHT APATHY!, or don't...
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LilKittyCatZoey

Quote from: tekla on July 17, 2011, 09:24:41 AM
Really, you all use the slut word like it's a bad thing or something.  As a general rule, most of the sluts, (TS/TG and regular girls) I know are pretty happy people.  People you like to invite to parties.  People who come to your parties and wake up there the next afternoon.   In coming to grips with all of this gender stuff it it not surprising to find you have an inner slut who needs to be unleashed. 

And it's not 'pride' per se.  It's open defiance.  But defiance is often a huge step on the road to pride.

Slut pride!  We are claiming it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SlutWalk

INNER SLUT??????????????? wow thats new but sorry the closest part of me to a slut is the fact i wear a bra lol sorry but being slutty isnt being defiant because first of all men secretly dream of girls like that(i think not to sure dont go google this now to) which therefore equals they are simply falling into a role men set for them.

Feel free to fight this because i am not to sure on it myself but i am pretty sure they arent being defiant.
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