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Time and space?

Started by silvershadow17, July 28, 2011, 02:43:29 PM

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silvershadow17

What does time and space really mean?  I really don't know any more to be honest.  It could mean...months, years apart...It could mean, I want to date other people so carry on with your own life.  It could mean, just go away.  It could mean, I just don't know how to break up with you so I'm telling you this.  I'm left in limbo, and I have no idea where I stand.  It's tearing me apart inside.  I am an emotional wreck. 

You all know I wrote Erin a letter after I found out the truth about her not being Brandon, but Erin and potentially wanting a sex change.  I needed to go through a multitude of emotions and feelings about not knowing this about the person I have loved for so long.  I was angry.  I was hurt.  I was confused.  I got through it.  I saw the truth.  I realized that I loved Erin as the person she is and the way she dressed or if she decided to change her sex down the road would never change the fact that I loved her.  I wanted to carry on and love her as my beautiful girlfriend.  She walked away.  Now I'm left here wondering why. 

I do know and accept that the letter hurt her.  I explained everything to her about my need for time to let go of Brandon being the whole reason behind the letter.  She knows how I feel, but I hear not a word.  She has closed the door on me like we never were in love.  That hurts more than you know.

Her last words to me were,  "I want a friend.  That's what I need.  I need to focus on me."  This may be true.  It's hard to understand, but don't friends at the very least still talk to each other?

My gut instinct tells me that there's more to this.  It doesn't make sense to me.  It isn't really possible to be so much in love with someone and just up and walk away like they were nothing.  I have been suffering for over a month since this all happened.  Moving on is the last thing on my mind.  Erin loved me, or so I thought she did.  Love doesn't just die.  It doesn't.  I hear not a word from her. 

I feel like I deserve to know.  I am hurting.  I gave 100% of myself and my love and commitment to Erin.  I deserve to know the truth at the very least.  Wouldn't that be one last way to show me an ounce of love and respect?  Am I wrong?
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Ann Onymous

Quote from: kreepykaylee17 on July 28, 2011, 02:43:29 PM
I feel like I deserve to know.  I am hurting.  I gave 100% of myself and my love and commitment to Erin.  I deserve to know the truth at the very least.  Wouldn't that be one last way to show me an ounce of love and respect?  Am I wrong?

You aren't wrong, but there is also nothing that you can do to 'force' someone to step up to the plate and give you the answers you are seeking.  In a way, it is in the same category as the people who break off a relationship and say something banal like "It's not you, it's me."  WTF kind of comment is that ANYHOW?  But yet we all know people who have had that sort of a brush-off...

And to this day, more than a decade later, I *STILL* don't know what exactly went through my ex's mind...but I can tell you it was also several months before I got beyond that relationship.  It took a LOT of talking with friends and the prodding of friends to get on with my life because it was a loss that devastated me (save for a mariage license that was not available to same-sex couples in this State, we had all the trappings of life together, including house, vehicles and land in another county).  Trying to overcome the breach of trust was not an easy task and is still something that I occasionally struggle with...   
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silvershadow17

Yes, I can relate to your feelings.  I know I can't force her to be honest with me, but I really need her to be.  There are no answers.  No closure.  I'm hanging.  That's the part that eating me alive.  I make second guesses all the time in my head.  I have 100 scenarios that I play over and over.

I've moved Heaven and Earth trying to show Erin, tell Erin etc...that I want us to forge ahead as a couple, but I get the blow off.  If the whole point of us parting was due to my original shock of finding out the truth about her gender...now that I'm past all that and want nothing more than to be with her, she is gone. 

It's really hard to let someone that means so much to you "go" when you don't know why they don't want to be with you anymore.  Especially when all was so very perfect between us before this all happened.  I know she loved me.  What happened?  We all want an answer so we can rationalize, make sense of it....
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Jennie

Hi Kaylee, I hope things will get better for you.  Have you asked Erin why she does not want to be with you, is it a permanant feeling that Erin has, try to ask a few pointed questions and let her know you are there to support her in any way that Erin needs.  I hope Erin's reply is a good one for you, aloh nui loa.

Jennie
ho'omo'o kau Pu'uwai= Follow your heart
Na hona ho'opili= Live life happy
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silvershadow17

Hey Jennie,
No, I have't asked Erin anything really.  I basically spent more time trying to defend myself.    Erin says she can't trust me.  She says that because of the way I took the news, that she can't trust in the fact that I won't start up an argument about her gender every few months.  That's the fear she has.  It happened with Erin's ex-girlfriend of four years.  I think Erin is judging me by her behavior. 

I've worked really hard to get through all of this.  The shock was a big one, but when it all comes down to it.  I love her.  That's not up for debate.  It is my truth.  I want to spend the rest of my life with her whether she transitions or not.  I just needed some time.

I think you're right Jennie.  At some point, I will need those direct answers.  I'm just waiting for when the time feels right and I have the confidence to let her know where I stand.  She can get mad at me.  She can be stubborn.  But she can't make me stop loving her.

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Jennie

Hi Kaylee, when you decide to talk to Erin make sure you have your main ideas of what you want to say thought out already, kind of like an outline of the subjects you want to talk about.
Make sure that Erin knows that when most people hear the kind of news that you were told it is very hard for some to process it.  When I told my wife she cried and thought I did not love her and all kinds of other things, I can just imagine what she was thinking, but that is a normal responce, after the first responce we were able to talk about it more and learn about it more and now we are both just fine with it all.
I think if Erin were to understand that your first reaction (the one she is saying caused her to lose faith in you) was a normal human responce that does not have a emotion like love connected to it, it was more like shock or trying to understand what you knew nothing about, that was a responce mechinisim that your body uses to protect itself, this is common knowledge.  So after your reaction your brain starts to think in a mor controled and rational way and you see that things are find and you love Erin.
Please tell Erin for me that she should not take your first responce as your total understanding of what she told you, but now you know what is what and you love her, even more so now than before and please tell Erin to try 1 more time to understand that you understand and your first responce was not reflecting your true feelings.
Also if Erin want to talk have her join Susans and talk to me or if you want send me a private message and I will respond with a email that Erin can talk to me with, you too can talk to me if you need to.
Aloha nui loa. :) ;)

Jennie
ho'omo'o kau Pu'uwai= Follow your heart
Na hona ho'opili= Live life happy
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silvershadow17

Hi Jennie,
It mean so much to me to hear you say that what I was feeling when I found out is normal.  Erin also felt that I didn't love her when I found out about her gender.  That couldn't have been farther from the truth.  I am going to send Erin a copy of this post.  I would love for her to talk to you, but I have no idea how she's feeling about everything.  If you want to send me your e-mail address, that would be great.  Thank you very much for you support. 

I don't see where or how to send you a private message on your post.  How do I do it?  lol
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regan

Could you maybe be pushing Erin away?  From what you're saying here, it sounds like you're desperately running after her; despite the fact that she keeps telling you she needs her space.  I know you didn't mean to, but it sounds like you hurt her pretty deeply.  There are just somethings in life that are unforgivable.  She was in a vulnerable place and while what happened between you two might not have been that bad under typical circumstances, the timing here couldn't have been any worse.

Maybe the best thing to do is let her go, for now.  Check on her in a couple months and see what she needs from you as a friend, nothing more.  Maybe you can rebuild from there, maybe not.

But like I said, it really seems like you're just pushing her futher and further away right now.
Our biograhies are our own and we need to accept our own diversity without being ashamed that we're somehow not trans enough.
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tekla

Whatever people say about love they are going to be wrong most of the time.  But I never hear anyone really say 'you can reason a person into love.' 'you can bargain a person into love,' or 'you can negotiate a person into love.'  That's because those things are not wrong most of the time, they are wrong all of the time. 

At some point, I will need those direct answers.
You will never, ever get them most likely, and here's why:
And to this day, more than a decade later, I *STILL* don't know what exactly went through my ex's mind
Yeah.  Damn Skippy.  Me either.  And I don't think we ever will either.  If they even really know.  You never really know what's in someone's heart.  That's because often we don't even know ourselves.  Love doesn't just die.  It doesn't.  Perhaps not (though many would argue)  like energy it can't be created or destroyed, but it can move on.  And it does.  Sometimes you just get up in the morning and something has changed, and you can't quite ever figure out what it is, but sure enough, it's there (or it's not there) and it's not going away (or coming back).  Might not even be a big thing, could be the tiniest thing in the world that just set off a chain reaction of thoughts - perhaps not always connected - that led you right here, to this moment, that moment where you just say: "Hey, I'm really tired of this person's ->-bleeped-<-."  And that's it.  If you're really lucky, your partner will tell you and at least you can both ease on down the road.  If you're not lucky every day from that day out is going to be a steaming pile of resentments that fester and build on top of each other until you get to know true hate.  Be happy you're not that person.  And those people are a lot of people.

Be extremely happy that you are not one of those people.

And, know this.  It's really a happy thought when you think it all the way through.  No movie star, rock star, political type, model, preacher man, jock, diplomat, whatever... not a single one of those - and any and all - people don't have certain someone in their life who is tired of their ->-bleeped-<-.  Everyone's got an ex.  That's my secret comforting thought when I have to deal with famous people.  That guy, no matter how cool he is, or thinks he is, and how ultra-cool everyone else apparently thinks he is - somewhere there is a girl who knows, FIRST-HAND, that he's a total douche.  That girl, no matter how hot she looks and acts (and she's got both of them down), has an ex who swears - and has some damn good war stories to back it up with - she's proof that there is a fast lane to earth from hell.  It's Kat's version of 'everyone puts their pants on one leg at at time.' 

Oh yeah, and even though it's true, and just about everyone reading this knows it's true because they have been in both those roles, no one ever gets to really say it.  We make up reasons.  We take the blame (this is a real power trip deal, very ugly) - it's the only place were humans love to take the blame, somehow it absolves us of guilt. 

I think Erin is judging me by her behavior.
Oh yeah, we all drag those ex's through our lives with us.  Ghosts in the machine.  It's the only reality (amid a culture that is awash in other people's notions of what love, romance and all that is) we really have to go by.

kind of like an outline of the subjects you want to talk about
My god, that's not a conversation, that's an emotional ambush.  I mean the reason - and it's going to suck, that's how you know it's most likely true - that you have no idea how she's feeling about everything, is because at this point is because she doesn't want you to know.  Perhaps - and very possible - she doesn't know herself.  This is a confusing process no matter what road one chooses to go down.  Sometimes you just need to clear out your head from everybody else's voice and just try to hear your own.  Sometimes the songs that we sing are just songs of our own.  And you have to get out and find out what that is. 

We all want an answer so we can rationalize, make sense of it....
Yeah, well, that's most of the plays, movies, all of the love songs, the books, stories, poems, a big pile of scientific studies even.  All that, still no making sense of love, either falling in or falling out. 

Einstein says that we can't blame gravity for people falling in love.  That's about the most we know.
FIGHT APATHY!, or don't...
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silvershadow17

All I really want her to know is that I love her.  I accept her completely, and I want her back.  That's it....What she does with that is up to her.
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regan

Quote from: kreepykaylee17 on August 03, 2011, 11:21:02 AM
All I really want her to know is that I love her.  I accept her completely, and I want her back.  That's it....What she does with that is up to her.

I'll take a chance and speak for Tekla as well as myself, but I clearly think the two of us are telling you that you've told Erin that.  Now its time to move on.

What I see happening is that you keep telling her hoping she'll come back to you and when she doesn't you redouble your efforts.  No disrespect, but do you get the feeling you're shouting into the wind?  Becuase you are...

The unfortunate reality is you blew it.  You admit you blew it.  You've admitted it to Erin, you've admitted it to anyone that will listen.  That's all you can do.  Telling Erin over and over again that you blew it isn't going to change the fact that you blew it.

Learn from this...don't do it again.  Let Erin go.  She'll come back when she's ready (but expect that to never happen and you won't be disappointed).  Keep doing what you're doing and all you're going to prove to Erin is that she was right to leave you in the first place.  When she changes her number, and every other way for you to contact her then maybe you'll realize you've gone too far.
Our biograhies are our own and we need to accept our own diversity without being ashamed that we're somehow not trans enough.
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Jennie

Hi Kaylee, I know that my views on this matter are different from others but I still think that you should not give up on love just yet, it is too soon.
When you talk to Erin you will get a better understanding of things like should I give her a bit more time or not.
You will find that Love is the best and it is better to go through bad times with the one you love there by your side then to go through them alone, and then it is totaly the best when you go through the good times with the one you love.  The moment you give up is when it ends, you keep up what is in your heart.  If there is actually a time that you should give Erin more space or even to stay away then I am sure she will make it known to you.  I wish you and Erin the best, aloha.

Jennie
ho'omo'o kau Pu'uwai= Follow your heart
Na hona ho'opili= Live life happy
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