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The importance of being able to defend yourself physically?

Started by Fie, July 28, 2011, 07:09:15 PM

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jordonna10

narela I want to pm you it but I guess Because im still new i cant send pms to anyone yet.

And I sure as hell am not going to post it on here.
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SandraJane

Jordonna 10, you need 14 "posts" to be able to send msg's.
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kate durcal

Quote from: SandraJane on July 30, 2011, 01:18:28 AM
P220, it doesn't have to be "accurized" like a 1911 (lol)!

9 mm poor choice, more often than not it will go through the bad guy and perhaps hit an innocent bystander, that is why police (USA) and the FBI use .40

Kate D
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Randi

I much prefer to use my fingers but an ink pen, key, or rock would do fine.
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SandraJane

Kate, SIG P220 is a .45 ACP. Agree about the 9mm though.
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V M

Sure, a 1911 will def. do the job and then some if you happen to be in a war zone and have one strapped to your leg, and even then it is a last resort... But do you really want to kill people? I've noticed that a .25 to the knee or foot tends to deter most aggressors if it even gets that far
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Anatta

Kia Ora,

Slightly off track but......................

Quote Wiki:
"There were 52,447 deliberate and 23,237 accidental non-fatal gunshot injuries in the United States during 2000. The majority of gun-related deaths in the United States are suicides, with 17,352 (55.6%) of the total 31,224 firearm-related deaths in 2007 due to suicide, while 12,632 (40.5%) were homicide deaths !"

I know guns are part and parcel of American culture but is it really wise to advocate guns, as a means of protection for trans-people ?

Just some food for thought ...

Metta Zenda :)
"The most essential method which includes all other methods is beholding the mind. The mind is the root from which all things grow. If you can understand the mind, everything else is included !"   :icon_yes:
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Jennie


9 mm poor choice, more often than not it will go through the bad guy and perhaps hit an innocent bystander, that is why police (USA) and the FBI use .40

Kate D
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Here in Hawaii 9mm is standard issue to the police and Sheriff, but then I always thoought the police over here go too far sometimes, they have killed people that I might not have killed if I were in there shoes. 
Aloha.

Jennie
ho'omo'o kau Pu'uwai= Follow your heart
Na hona ho'opili= Live life happy
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Maga Girl

THE BEST ZONE TO SHOT IS IN HANDS AND FEETS ,  or you can kill him/her
A shot in the leg, arms, and   may be bleeding to DEATH (alot of veins and arteries)

Quote from: kate durcal on July 30, 2011, 10:13:39 PM
.40

Kate D

What about the recoil?  (LOL)
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SandraJane

That was just plain mean on the part of her boyfriend, husband, jerk, etc!!! A good Weaver stance and better posture would have prevented that...I think?!
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Lisbeth

Quote from: kate durcal on July 30, 2011, 04:24:54 PM
Not at chance Honey, I been in combat, and you know, it never leaves you; perpetual state of situational awareness. I know how to handled a side arm, and I know the law pertaining it lawful use, and I do have a permit to carry a cancelled weapon. I will run and do everything I can do to avoid using a side arm, but if my life or somebody life is at stake then I will do not hesitate to use it. In the past, just discharging the side arm is enough to get everybodies attention.

My main defense is not to frequent places where scum bags are likely to to be. I do agree with you, if you do not have experiences with firearms, take a training course, most local police department offer gun safety courses.
Kate D

Kate, I've only been in one relationship with an ex-military person. The bruises that resulted from our domestic disputes were very painful. I seem to have a permanent injury to my left arm from one of them. I find nothing to admire in people who can pull the trigger.

Quote from: Zenda on July 31, 2011, 01:50:01 AM
I know guns are part and parcel of American culture but is it really wise to advocate guns, as a means of protection for trans-people ?

American culture is f***ed up. I find the wild west mentality that everyone should have a gun to be disgusting.
"Anyone who attempts to play the 'real transsexual' card should be summarily dismissed, as they are merely engaging in name calling rather than serious debate."
--Julia Serano

http://juliaserano.blogspot.com/2011/09/transsexual-versus-transgender.html
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tekla

but is it really wise to advocate guns, as a means of protection for trans-people

Probably not, and considering the suicide rates for Trans persons it's most likely not the best tool for them to have around.  But I'm sure many trans people (just exactly like other people in genderal)  love guns because it's something you can buy, so you don't actually have to do anything, like learn or practice or invest time into getting right.  Guns do a wonderful job of short circuiting mental capacities too and instilling people with a false courage, as no doubt that any alley that ain't safe for you without a gun doesn't get any safer just because you have one.  But hey, why confuse people with facts?  After all, most of the T murders I read about, and are so righteously championed on here are ones that arise in a very personal/sexual setting where the gun is not going to help anyway.  (The victims are almost always non-white too, but that never gets mentioned in our little 'oh my god I'm a potential victim' rants.)

At some point isn't the easy way to avoid problems like physical violence just to not hang out with physically violent people?  Despite the little gem about "Good" neighborhoods being safer not being true, the fact is... it's true.  Your odds of getting beat-up, raped, stabbed, shot (whatever) are hella lot better in Richmond than in Tiburon.  I mean, I don't know that anyone has ever been shot in Tiburon.  Rich people don't attack you, they have their lawyers send you hate mail.  So I'm much safer walking in Pacific Heights than in the Tenderloin, and safer in the TL than out in Hunter's Point/Bayview.  What makes a good/bad part of town is not the architecture, or use, or area - what makes it bad is having a high crime rate and you can look that up on-line, nice pretty maps for just about everywhere, interesting reading.  And those number are directly linked to poverty.  Your odds of being on the receiving end of physical violence pretty much go down as as the other person's income and or education goes up.  (And income and education are pretty closely linked, of course.)

And one should always be aware of their surroundings - you know, be aware of where you are in time and space and all that.  Be here now and all that.  And no doubt (cause I've seen it) the people staring off into never-never land are the first ones to be culled from the herd.

Martial Arts are good, because if nothing else you'll come face to face with your shortcomings real quick.  Most of the people in here who were raised in the girl world have never really even been really hit (one punch incapacitation - you know, turn up the pain to such a high level that you can't do anything at all or just black out) so it's a learning experience right from the first missed block.  And you know how many punches most of the street and bar fights I've ever seen have lasted?  One punch.  Out go the lights.

If your really going to defend yourself in a fight, you best be able to really take some on some pain and suck it up, absorb some body blows and all that.

Any of the real stuff is only learned by constant practice and application.  All most self-defense class will do it tell you to keep your head and don't make any bad decisions. ...the easiest way to get out of trouble is to avoid it in the first place...

Once again.  If you think that some class has some secret/special technique or idea that will allow you to physically take on and defeat thug-like people who like violence, who practice violence, and who apply violence as a standard means of getting what they want day in and day out --- then you are highly mistaken.  If you think there will be some insight/clever move that will allow you to take on two or more attackers and triumph --- then you are highly mistaken.  None of that stuff will ever let you get back at the people who used to bug you, bully you, insult you, torment you, pick on you -- any and all of that bad ->-bleeped-<- that used to happen to you.  It will not make you look, act or be any more studly.  No one who you should really want to respect you will respect you for that.  Only people who respect that are the people who live it.   



PS, the cops use higher caliber weapons for one reason, because the bad guys are.  Remember, most police officers are never going to pull that weapon on duty.  It just if the bad guys have overwhelming firepower it puts the cops at a disadvantage.  Most of the larger police departments move up in weapons after such an incident.
FIGHT APATHY!, or don't...
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kate durcal

Quote from: SandraJane on July 30, 2011, 11:57:39 PM
Kate, SIG P220 is a .45 ACP. Agree about the 9mm though.

I stand corrected. That will teach me not to relay n wiki :)

Kate D
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kate durcal

Tekla,

I have high income and the high education, yet sometimes that is not enough. I said: "sometimes just discharging the fire arms is enough to get somebody's attention," below is the story that lead me to that statement.

Several summers ago my youngest daughter wanted to see the Leonids passage, so we went to a nearby rural area, got out the car and just sit in the hood looking at the sky. There was little traffic in the road. I hear a loud car coming, as I look I say a small car with 4 guys inside, one of them (passenger side) point the finger at us. The car continue down the road, then did a U turn -at that time I sensed immediate danger like when I was in the war- I went to the trunk of the car, which was ajar as I have gotten a blanket and cookies, and loaded my 1911; by the time I close the trunk the car had stopped and the guy in the passanger side has gotten out and was approaching my kid (she was frozen), I fire above hi head, "next one you died" I yell, stop and just look at me. With the corner of my eye I kept on eye  in the other two passanger who were sort of out the car, one made a move and shot above his head. The driver took off making a U turn, one of the guys fell down, while the other two run toward the car; the car stopped, they all got in the car and left. the story continues with me meeting the Police in a nearby gas station, where I also met my sons, going back to the scene of the incident, and filling an incident report. 

You can say what would it happen if all of them were armed? Could I have dropped all of them, what about my daughter getting hit in the crossfire? I do not know for sure, but I can put 8 bullets in a 4 inch circle at 50 yards so you figure out.

What I am sure is that had I not had my side arm with me that night I would not be typing this lines, and my daughter would have been raped and perhaps killed too.

Think about dear ladies, what good a teaser or a pepper spray or a whistle or my karate would have had accomplished? 

Kate D
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kate durcal

Quote from: Zenda on July 31, 2011, 01:50:01 AM
Kia Ora,

Slightly off track but......................

Quote Wiki:
"There were 52,447 deliberate and 23,237 accidental non-fatal gunshot injuries in the United States during 2000. The majority of gun-related deaths in the United States are suicides, with 17,352 (55.6%) of the total 31,224 firearm-related deaths in 2007 due to suicide, while 12,632 (40.5%) were homicide deaths !"

I know guns are part and parcel of American culture but is it really wise to advocate guns, as a means of protection for trans-people ?

Just some food for thought ...

Metta Zenda :)

You can see a table comparing homicide across the world  in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence. Note: Caution is advised in reading tables on homicide rates. The statistics cannot take into account the differences that exist between the legal definitions of offences in various countries, of the different methods of tallying, etc.[19][20][21][22] In particular, to use the figures as a basis for comparison between different countries is highly problematic[23] as is comparing data from different years among different countries

^ "The Seventh United Nations Survey on Crime Trends and the Operations of Criminal Justice Systems (1998 - 2000)". United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime (UNODC). http://www.unodc.org/unodc/en/data-and-analysis/Seventh-United-Nations-Survey-on-Crime-Trends-and-the-Operations-of-Criminal-Justice-Systems.html. Retrieved 2008-06-19.

With the above cautions in mind I cannot help but point out to you that many European countries have a similar and even higher total homicide rate than the USA. And yet I concede the USA needs to reduce it homicide rate. We can also ask ourselves why the rates of suicide are much higher in Europe vs. the USA. For example , France, Denmark and Switzerland's suicide rates are twice (20 per 100,000 people) than those of the USA!

Homicide does cause pain and reflects nation maladies, so it does drug abuse. I always wonder if European countries are such a paradise with no violence, then why they have the highest drug crimes. Eight out the top ten countries with the highest drug crimes in the world are European, while the USA ranks 41!   ht.tp://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_dru_off-crime-drug-offences

As far as total crimes per capita, peaceful New Zealand  :police: , Denmark, Finland, United kingdom, rank higher than the USA. http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_tot_cri_percap-crime-total-crimes-per-capita

Fact sbaby, now that is food for thought!

Metta Kate D (The D stands for my bra size)
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tekla

No doubt some of those drug crime numbers come from the fact that huge sections of the US have basically given up on the war on drugs and don't even go after a lot of that stuff anymore.
FIGHT APATHY!, or don't...
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kate durcal

Quote from: Lisbeth on July 31, 2011, 07:51:48 AM
Kate, I've only been in one relationship with an ex-military person. The bruises that resulted from our domestic disputes were very painful. I seem to have a permanent injury to my left arm from one of them. I find nothing to admire in people who can pull the trigger.

American culture is f***ed up. I find the wild west mentality that everyone should have a gun to be disgusting.

Abuse is wrong. The USA armed forces have zero tolerance for spousal abuse or any kind of abuse, this is not you 50's or 60's armed forces.

Some people pull the trigger to suicide themselves, or to kill a lover in a heat of a moment, or in botched crime, or to murder for hire, or to murder for the hell of it. All these activities are wrong, immoral, and illegal

Some people pull the trigger to defend the law, the nation, the Innocent, or themselves; these are all right, moral , and legal.

I all of my Jewish ancestors would have been armed in Nazi Germany, perhaps not so many of them would have gone in ashes. I would rather died fighting rather than slother like a lamb.

Kate D
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Lisbeth

Quote from: kate durcal on July 31, 2011, 01:57:27 PM
[ If ] all of my Jewish ancestors would have been armed in Nazi Germany, perhaps not so many of them would have gone in ashes. I would rather died fighting rather than slother like a lamb.

Kate D

No, doubt. But then the Jewish people would be different than they are, and I like them the way they are.
"Anyone who attempts to play the 'real transsexual' card should be summarily dismissed, as they are merely engaging in name calling rather than serious debate."
--Julia Serano

http://juliaserano.blogspot.com/2011/09/transsexual-versus-transgender.html
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kate durcal

Quote from: Lisbeth on July 31, 2011, 03:34:59 PM
No, doubt. But then the Jewish people would be different than they are, and I like them the way they are.

Honey you yet have to meet some Sabras on a Kibbutz, true Jews!

Kate D
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Anatta

Kia Ora,

::) No doubt some of you are confident gun users who have had training in their use...However I know for the most part when a person is "mentally" stable they are capable of making the right  choices, but it would seem to promote the use of guns [in other words putting a gun in a  unstable-depressed person's hand] is not going to alleviate their suicidal thoughts[a high percentage of trans-people so I'm lead to "believe" have these kind of thoughts], and  no matter how one tries to sing praise to and "candy coat"  the hand held killing device, I personally feel it is not a wise promotion...{ my reasons for this are simple , just read some of the posts on depression}...

::) If a person lives in such an environment where violence is common place and have no possibility of moving away, then by all means get some unarmed combat training [ and if a person's mentally stable with no suicidal tendencies whatsoever then training in the use of a gun "might" be an optional deterrent device]   ... But I feel to openly promote gun use has something we all should contemplate is somewhat irresponsible...But then that's just me-my mind is wired that way...

Perhaps for some people the gun totting  Wild West myth lives on, as they play out their childhood fantasies...     

Metta Zenda :) 
"The most essential method which includes all other methods is beholding the mind. The mind is the root from which all things grow. If you can understand the mind, everything else is included !"   :icon_yes:
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