HRT, second puberty and growing up some more...

[AbraCadabra]

A lot is mentioned about the 'second puberty' we ALL have to go through once on HRT.

Little if nothing is mentioned what goes on when we finally grow out of it, or?

Will the hemlines go down, the net-stockings get dumped, the make-up getting lighter, the beard finally stop growing, the rational self once more emerging, the boobs less in need of upholstering, nails in less need of varnishing, and in general a feeling emerging – being less of a girly and closer to a woman?
Second type woman, OK - but still more woman then girly?

Some, if not all of this seems to be happening and it happens faster, for sure, then teenage puberty. YMMV (just in case, Ann :-)

Are we now back doing the same old things we did before, just in 2.5" heels?
2.5" mind you not 4 - 5".

Am curious how some of you see, or rather experience that, and feel about that.

OK, and how nice, females have some more leeway in being a bit daft at times, one may still blame that on hormones, giggle :-)

5 month into HRT I felt more like 15! At 10 month about 35, and now 15 month --- pushing 50!?

Good Lord, it may just stop now! Really don't feel like anymore growing up right now.
50! It seems getting too much for comfort already.
No more tears, no more therapy, going "flat" as a 50 year old pancake, with purple hair, eina!

Axelle

[Jennie]

Hi Axelle, I have not started HRT so I can't say much in that area but I can give you a bunch of Hawaiian Hugs.
Hang in there I am told it gets better
Aloha.

Jennie

[LilKittyCatZoey]

well i am just having a ridiculously long puberty But HUGZIZZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Just wait for your SRS and see how you feel then sweetie

[AbraCadabra]

After SRS be walking around in pantoffels, curlers, no make-up, jeans and an XL t-shirt, eh? No bra and dangling boobs.
The ultimate comfort scenario... oh, oh.

Just saying, um.

Axelle :-)

[Sabriel Facrin]

I'm by no means close to really getting through it, but I've thought about that things will eventually be like that, and tried to think against doing transition because of it...but then I realize that one of the more major points of my transition is that I can actually be happy about myself while I do all my day-to-day things, rather than trying to ignore that the physical part of myself exists while playing games and stuff. =>.o;  That's just the way I look at that.

[apple pie]

When you become a true old lady, you become the object of what they sing...

Deutsche Frauen, deutsche Treue,
Deutscher Wein und deutscher Sang
Sollen in der Welt behalten
Ihren alten schönen Klang,
...

(no I don't speak German but I always thought this stanza in the Deutschlandlied funny)

[Lisbeth]

Will the hemlines go down, the net-stockings get dumped, the make-up getting lighter, the beard finally stop growing, the rational self once more emerging, the boobs less in need of upholstering, nails in less need of varnishing, and in general a feeling emerging – being less of a girly and closer to a woman?
Second type woman, OK - but still more woman then girly?

I never really went through those things. I did a bit to try and pass, and I found I passed better without all that stuff. I hardly ever do makeup, lipstick, or nail polish. Forget fishnets or high heels; they are special-purpose accessories for at home. And god! heels kill my feet. I would be a frump if I wasn't naturally sexy. 

Deutsche Frauen, deutsche Treue,
Deutscher Wein und deutscher Sang
Sollen in der Welt behalten
Ihren alten schönen Klang,

Ah! Sehr, sehr Treu!

[Constance]

I feel like I am going through a second puberty, but mostly I feel this way as I'm aware of the emotional stuff caused by the hormones. It feels similar to my first puberty.

That said, I don't feel a need for short skirts and high heels. I've always liked longer skirts anyway, and miniskirts just don't look right on me. The one pair of pumps I own have 1.5" heels. I look for skirts and dresses that are no higher than knee length; mid-calf is best.

But, I'm only 2 months into HRT. Who knows what other changes will happen as time goes on.

[AbraCadabra]

Gosh Apple,
now you do make me nostalgic. Didn't even know this is part of the Deutschland Lied!

It does take one back to Biedermeier days and, Uhland, Goethe, Fichte, Lessing, Schiller, Hölderlin and on and on.

So... ,,dank ich auch schön für die Blumen meine Verehrteste" :-)

Axelle

[apple pie]

Axelle!

Well the first stanza is the (in)famous Deutschland, Deutschland über alles, the last stanza is the German national anthem, and the middle stanza is this funny chauvinistic stanza about German women and German wine You can hear it below—it totally does not match the solemnity of the music! (You can just press play and then pause it immediately afterwards to wait for it to load before pressing play again to play it)

[AbraCadabra]

Holy Mose, Apple...

I didn't know it could still move me almost to tears. That was amazing!

Of course there is more to the first verse as you might know, scrapped after WWII.

"Von der Maas bis an die Memel, von der Etsch bis an den Belt -" those encompassed protectorate areas, past tense for sure.

Will I EVER be able to live up to THIS lot, as far as "Deutsche Frauen" is concerned...

Honey, seems you got me wrecked for now. Looks like bedtime for me.

Oh, oh, oh,
Axelle

[wendy]

Axelle, just starting hormones as been on them about 6.5 years.

I feel like I am going through a second puberty, but mostly I feel this way as I'm aware of the emotional stuff caused by the hormones. It feels similar to my first puberty.

That said, I don't feel a need for short skirts and high heels. I've always liked longer skirts anyway, and miniskirts just don't look right on me. The one pair of pumps I own have 1.5" heels. I look for skirts and dresses that are no higher than knee length; mid-calf is best.

But, I'm only 2 months into HRT. Who knows what other changes will happen as time goes on.

I still feel very emotional and I so love colors.  Wow I wonder if anyone else feels this!  Guys clothes just don't express my feelings.  I'm blending clothes from two genders.  I do have trans community will sometimes complement male clothing.  I say but it is male clothing.  They reply but it is very pretty!

I am so interested in trying different things and for me it is like a teenager.

Older women are not as much "out there" so that once newness wears off you do need to get back to life.  I am getting mixed results on trying new things.  Sometimes it is really not me and sometimes I really like it.  Who would have guessed unless I tried.

So much has been suppressed that even at an old age there are many new things that are just plain fun. 

[AbraCadabra]

Wendy,
I am amazed that puberty, second or otherwise, can take that long.
Thank you for sharing!
Food for more thought, and getting out my boogy heels, rocking my booty :-)

But seriously, you make a point - no need getting too slap dash but rather maintaining some style. I like that. A reason to post this was some fear of letting thing slip, as can be seen by so many older women in my part of the word. A sort of becoming "invisible".

Maybe France's older girls can serve as an example. To slip into invisibility is not the done thing - money allowing. Trouble with this is, that those kinds of cloth are lots more expensive and not as easily found as the never ending fashion supply for teens at affordable prices (made in China).

I have not reached the stage of feeling like A LADY, never mind old lady, still some puberty left I guess, and quite sure after 15 month HRT.
Hey, someone stepping on my toes finds out real fast - I CAN BE A BAD GIRL - have the black silky lace-up blouse with bat-wing sleeves, gold print with 'bad girl' and décolleté (low cut) almost down to the navel to make the point. (No good for big boobs though - just as well being 38A :-).

Axelle

[Samantha_Marie]

For me it seems the further along I transition the more I experiment with my make up and dress. I love skirts, the shorter the better I know it's tragic. I do my eyes a thousand different ways and have just as many ways to fix my hair or accessories to go into it. I have heels that go from 1.5" to 4", never go higher then that tho since I'm already 5'11 and don't want to pass 6'4 since the guy I see from time to time is 6'5.


Sitting at 12 months in almost 13 I feel very comfortable with MOST of who I now am, I do still desperately want the final surgeries tho of course!

I would place myself around 20 or 21 with how I act, which is only 8 or 9 years younger then I actually am anyways and since I look in that age range it works for me! I was definitely closer to a 10 or 11 year old for my first few months tho.

[justmeinoz]

I am feeling like I am 15 or so too.  I am experiencing some of the same good feelings I had then.  Just without all the bad ones I had then.

That would put me in about 1967-68, when mods and jazzers were still cool here, as well as the hippies.  I now realise why I loved Emma Peel of 'The Avengers' TV series. Elegant, strong, smart and so cool. 

The more the physical changes progress, the more I feel like I am fitting that mould. 
I like skirts for the feeling of freedom, and once my bust is a decent size will no doubt start wearing more low cut tops. I have found I love long boots, and silver jewellery.  I will also be seeing if I can find a dressmaker so that I can get what I want in my size, as even the shops that claim they deal in larger sizes often stop at an 18.
 
Also a lot more enthusiastic about playing music again, after a bit of a falling off in interest.

Karen.

[wendy]

Too funny.  I found a number of "big women" catalog stores.  I wear 18 tops and 12 bottoms.  I have big breasts on a rather male frame with a female waist line.  For their patience I buy a lot of stuff and I return a lot of stuff.  My clothes have gone from male to expressive male to masculine female to female.  I now have a mixture and very little expressive female.  Most of stuff I buy I wear.  It would be so fun to shop with someone! 

I better enjoy ride because I have been going uphill for several years and going downhill is easy but goes too fast!

First puberty lasted 10 years so that second puberty should last 10 years!

[Jennifer]

Great thread Axelle,

For me, I never want to grow up. Even before I started hrt a short while ago, I always acted like a kid. I still skateboard and snowboard and race dirt bikes and surf...all that kid stuff. Now that I am transitioning it is even more fun for me to do all the young girl stuff! I will wear my
5 inch heels and flirty clothes as long as I possibly can! Who knows if and when that attitude will change for me?

Jennifer

[AbraCadabra]

Jennifer,
awareness is what I had in mind, and not starting to dry up and get staid.

Very happy to hear you doing those things you do. Wish I could find some to play hopscotch with, and all those other things we missed then. :-)

Doing it beats nostalgia...

Thanks and enjoy,
Axelle

[Jennifer]

Jennifer,
awareness is what I had in mind,

Sorry, I wasn't aware of that because I am still just 15 at this point.
I hated my first puberty and I am loving every minute of my second one!

Jennifer

[Joelene9]

  Hopscotch!  This is something missing in the neighborhoods here.  I haven't found a hopscotch outline on any sidewalk or driveway for decades!  I see the role-playing game outlines painted in the elementary school playground areas.  When I was a kid those outlines were made by the girls that played it with a piece of chalk or charcoal.  What made them disappear?  Feminizm?  Political correctness?  Child safety?
  Puberty:  I am 58 and coming up on nine months HRT now and I discovered that I am jumping to conclusions too quickly lately.  I am also more confrontational than before, I was quite shy.  I do not have the heavy mood swings described here on Susan's as of yet, I had them before the HRT.  I am taking it easy here and let things come as they are.  The boobs have become more conical and the pain, tingling and itching have returned this past week. 
  Joelene