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London Riots

Started by Pica Pica, August 07, 2011, 02:38:12 PM

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justmeinoz

You could be right there. 
There was a feeling that the USA was lurking just over the horizon, everpresent in a way which I don't feel here in Australia, even though we are far more like the US than the UK is.

It wasn't that there was more media coverage or anything like that, more a feeling that the US had usurped Britain's place in the world and reduced it to a minor partner in a lop-sided relationship. That feeling seemed to  have infected all parts of society with a slight dose of Depression. 

Karen.
"Don't ask me, it was on fire when I lay down on it"
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tekla

History very adequately demonstrates in a most casual manner all over the globe and through all known historical time that: no one is safe when civil order breaks down.  It's never 'good' in any way.  Perhaps the Storming of the Bastille brought about a democratic France, still, I'll bet that was a rough time in old Paris those nights.  And people are crazy enough all over as it is. 

So yeah, it's swell up here in the midst of living in one of the most liberal areas of the nation, and the nation truly is mostly large urban areas that are pretty liberal.  I've got my Russian River Brewery and vineyards true enough, but as my pal reminded me the other day he walks out and gets coffee across the street and sits and watches the boats go out of the Marina Del Rey harbor.  Yet, between his latte sipping land sailors and my pals swilling their Pliny the Elder, there's a lot of people who are not so liberal.  Portland is pretty liberal, and most of the Willamette Valley (Eugene ect) are, but the rest of Oregon, not so much.  Most of the Coasts in the US are, inland not so much.  And when you look at the area between NYC and LA, that's a lot of area.

And it seems in real bad situations that crazy starts to spread, and people who normally would not go burning and lootin' do.  If you can't beat 'em, join 'em, you know?  For sure you're not going to be able to get out there and stop a mob all by yourself, right?  So faced with this large mass of humans in the process of going all rabid and all, basic self-preservation kicks in and tells you to join that mob right away least it go all rabid on you.
FIGHT APATHY!, or don't...
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Amazon D

Its extremism at both ends that cause the problems. I have lived in so called liberal areas (cities) and they have too much liberality that makes them think they can do whatever they want. Then i have seen areas near them that are bastions of conservatism (suburban) where they got it and and want to keep it and don't want liberals anywhere near their kids. Then there are simple country folk who are very calm and not all hyped up into either side. I have seen a country gay man talk to an amish man about how cute he is and the amish man say but i am married and my wife would get jelous. I think its about people living too close to one another. Too much time on their hands and too many others around them who won't keep their trash picked up and so they won't either. At least out here in the country if someone has trash it can't be seen by their neighbor. people in the country are more inclined to realize that, that person is related to a neighbor and they can overlook many things. On the otherhand the tensions from city to suburb is strong and powerful and filled with many middle class who only want their kids to go to cities for college or to run big offices or control hundreds of rental properties that are rented to the city dwelers. Oh there are some rich who realize that the cities are going to be the place to use less energy and so many poor in cities are being pushed aside with gentrification projects.

If you want true peace come to the country where people are not trying to live like city folks and where hard work keeps them too busy to fight their neighbors who they wouldn't fight anyway because most of them are them (neighbors). Yes the conflict from city to suburban is very extreme. Much stronger than any simple country people have except for that one crazed church in kansas that hates everyone.

  This world has way too many people in it. Its also getting more populated as we speak. 7 billion people by october 2011 and in 6 more yrs another billion where the earth will be at its limit with regards to resources. Think about that! 
I'm an Amazon womyn + very butch + respecting MWMF since 1999 unless invited. + I AM A HIPPIE

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MarinaM

This thread is amazing. I think I'll share it later. A-maz-ing.
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regan

I always remember my high school social studies teacher saying "Happy people don't riot".  It's true.  When people are too busy to riot (they're working, etc) - well there are no riots.

Sign o the times I guess...
Our biograhies are our own and we need to accept our own diversity without being ashamed that we're somehow not trans enough.
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Amazon D

Quote from: regan on August 12, 2011, 02:06:34 PM
I always remember my high school social studies teacher saying "Happy people don't riot".  It's true.  When people are too busy to riot (they're working, etc) - well there are no riots.

Sign o the times I guess...

very very true ..  and i do hope the UK and many countries create jobs for their people

and here in the USA we need CETA jobs again like we had after vietnam .. comprehensive employment training act   = service jobs to help people and government positions such as parks and recreation and solid waste and health etc etc etc I got one of those jobs (because i was a veterans who got in trouble for stealing a turkey from an outside freezer) and was able to turn a newly built container site into a recycling center in N. Calif. in 1974
I'm an Amazon womyn + very butch + respecting MWMF since 1999 unless invited. + I AM A HIPPIE

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Pica Pica

Anyone want to take a practice UK citizenship test?

http://www.ukcitizenshiptest.co.uk/

I failed. It's all dates and statistics and I have a black hole rather than a memory for numbers.
'For the circle may be squared with rising and swelling.' Kit Smart
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spacial

This is the word from Dr David Starkey.

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Pica Pica

I know, those comments have caused a little discussion I can tell yer.

Oliver Goldsmith (resurrected and well and living in Peckham) had this to say about Starkey onTwitter.

"David Starkey, if the WHITES have become BLACK, you must be looking at the NEGATIVE and not the TRUE PICTURE."
'For the circle may be squared with rising and swelling.' Kit Smart
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RebeccaFog


why can't we just toss all troublemakers onto some island far away where they won't bother us?  Maybe some island in the pacific?
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tekla

They are already on an island!
FIGHT APATHY!, or don't...
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regan

I got the joke...Australia being the punch line...  :)
Our biograhies are our own and we need to accept our own diversity without being ashamed that we're somehow not trans enough.
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tekla

I was worried that he wanted to send them to Tahiti.
FIGHT APATHY!, or don't...
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Cindy

Right on.
They tried that with
Australia,by sending  the trouble makers there. ::) ::) ::) ::)
Convicts won. And we have a happy place


:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:Cindy
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JungianZoe

Quote from: Rebis on August 13, 2011, 12:16:03 PM
why can't we just toss all troublemakers onto some island far away where they won't bother us?  Maybe some island in the pacific?

Be at Leso.

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RebeccaFog

Quote from: Pica Pica on August 13, 2011, 09:17:59 AM
I know, those comments have caused a little discussion I can tell yer.

Oliver Goldsmith (resurrected and well and living in Peckham) had this to say about Starkey onTwitter.

"David Starkey, if the WHITES have become BLACK, you must be looking at the NEGATIVE and not the TRUE PICTURE."

That man should have been addressing people by culture/subculture. Like 'some British have become gangster'.

They have become disenfranchised. One possible solution is to make an effort to increase eduction in those areas and introduce national history and values to as many people as possible. To encourage, teach, and train residents to start their own legit businesses, or have large companies com in and recruit. A lot of people like to learn and to strive toward something but simply don't know how to or don't understand the process.  (that's me).

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RebeccaFog

Quote from: tekla on August 13, 2011, 12:18:20 PM
They are already on an island!

but it's iin the Atlantic. Too close to Europe, proper.
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RebeccaFog


Thank you all for knowing I was joking.
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Cindy

Could send them all to Tasmania, Karen could be head prefect :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Cindy
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SandraJane

Quote from: tekla on August 13, 2011, 12:18:20 PM
They are already on an island!

Gitmo? (Guantanamo Bay)
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