Is transsexualism a test from God?

[Del]

I did want to add one more thing as I do not want anyone to think that I am posting anti-trans postings.
The Bible says Can two walk together except they be agreed?
It also says The Lord looks on the heart and not the outward countenance.
I see many cisgender and straight people that appear "right" according to the traditional morals and such. Yet the things they speak in reference to Christianity repulses me. Money. Cars. Greed. Ego. Pride.
On the other hand I see some transgender people whom by the outward appearance go against the traditional morals and such. Yet some of them post of mercy, truth, hope in Christ and other things of which the gospel is really about.
When I forget the outward appearance and look on that which comes from the heart and is posted I am more in agreement with them than the straight cisgenders that down those who don't appear right by traditional views and such.
Hope this helps clarify what I wrote.

[SandraJane]

Del,

This is my first time to encounter you, have only been a member since July. I too am a Christian MTF TG/TS going down the path of transition. I've read your recent posts and appreciate your honesty and forthrightness. Yeah it can be a confusing but it is good to know a cs-Christian that cares about the Transgendered.

I agree with you about the "prosperity or word truth gospel", brings back visions of Elmer Gantry!

Thanks for the courage to care.

Peace be with You,


SandraJane

[Amazon D]

I told an amish neighbor that i am a test from God for him. He then thought about it and walked off.  He said i always have something different going on and am not like the many other english (non amish people) around here.

[tekla]

Is this really the place for some non-TG, non-SO, non-anything we are to be preaching to the rest of us?  Really?  Don't they have churches for that?

[Del]

This is the Christianity section.
I think it is very appropriate to share the word of God and one's faith here if it will help other Christians.
It's a shame when those who do not believe try to ruin what might be a TG or SO's only hope.
I may not be trans but there is one thing I am. That is one who cares enough about those transgenders who love the Lord to share the gospel. There may be some that read about the Lord as a hope to survive another day in this lousy screwed up world.
And, as a cisgender I don't go into forums where people share psychological advice from therapists and tell them psychology is of the devil those quacks are leading them to hell. The reason is because I care enough about those who use psychologist and therapists to attempt to ruin what might be their way of coping and keeping them from suicide.
I sorry if the gospel or issues of faith some may lean on trouble you.
Have a good day.

[tekla]

You know how many posts I've read in here about people praying for things to be different, and how many of those prayers came true? None.

You know how many people have been helped by science, the application of medical surgery, of hormone treatments, by treatments of psychology?  Lots.

Pardon me while I choose the path that works.

[Del]

For what it is worth there may be some here that use this section to live another day.
They may never tell you or post it on the boards that their faith keeps them going.
So the path that works for some you may never see.
The path that works many may never see.

[tekla]

Of course a sane, rational, realistic, and reasonable approach would be to think that so many people don't see it, is because (like gnomes, leprechauns, and witches on broomsticks) it's not really there.  Do you ever consider that point of view?

[Del]

I have considered it but put it aside.
I have seen miracles that have been documented in hospitals as well as those in my own life.
That is why I care enough to attempt to help Christian transgenders in areas where non Christian transgender try to hinder.
I really couldn't care less about science and psychology.
I do care about Christianity and those who are truly Christians whether cisgender or transgender.
Like I said I don't go into other areas and hinder or try to tear down that which some may utilize to keep from committing suicide.
The Christianity forum is just as important for Christian transgenders.

[tekla]

I care about them a lot, as I'm one of them.  That's why I try to advocate paths that work for their lives, and not for other people's lives.

[Julie Marie]

yes its a test. A test to see if OTHER people can still love the person and not just the outer shell.

When I read the title, that's exactly what I thought.  And we aren't the only ones testing society.  Every person who is deemed "different" tests society on a regular basis.  And society almost always fails the test.  As to who is giving the test, I don't know nor do I care.  It's more important that society knows it needs to study harder and pay attention in class.

[tekla]

Yet society never asks what's it's score was, ain't worrying about it's GPA, and it's for sure not sweating the outcome - only individuals do.

[Satya'sMind]

yes its a test. A test to see if OTHER people can still love the person and not just the outer shell.

When I read the title, that's exactly what I thought.  And we aren't the only ones testing society.  Every person who is deemed "different" tests society on a regular basis.

When I've looked at it through a Western/Abrahamic religion lens, I've thought the same thing, but didn't stop there. I also saw it as a test of faith for each of us...that the deep inner voice was like the voice of god telling you who you really are in your soul, and you are challenged to live true to that god-given soul despite all the rejection, marginalization, fear, and hatred.

In full disclosure, that thinking was mostly a philosophical exercise for me, since I don't follow/believe Abrahamic religion's concept of god.

[Amazon D]

Del forgive tekla she doesn't know that many who pray do get the help they need to transition. She thinks of it in straight terms and not terms that maybe God leads them here to be able to find help. Many were lost out there and came to places like this by the grace of God. I know i did. I also know people who feel they are the other gender from what they were designated at birth are still that other gender even if they don't transition by doing one thing. Some here think you have to get surgery and take HRT to be the other gender, but those who once were like that they too thought the same even though they never started at that point.

Keep coming back Del

Also tekla your attitude about someone coming here who isn't Trans or a SO is the same prejudice that people have when they discriminate against trans people in general. I am sure you know many of us get that "your not like us so stay away" crap in the world and it isn't nice. I happen to appreciate Del for coming here and sharing.

[SandraJane]

Well said Amazon D!

[Jen61]

It is like asking: is blindness, paralysis, cancer, stupidity, ignorance, cruelty, and all the other psychological, physiological, and sociological maladies that afflict human kind, a test from god.

These type of test will presuppose a cruel, capricious, and not Omnipotent god. What happen if you fail the test. What scenario could cause more torment than GID.

Why would god make a test that cause afflicted people to kill themselves? There is no human affliction with a higher rate of suicide !

IMO GID is but due to a biological mishap, and like many human affiction the product of random and/or chaotic effects, nothing less or more. God has nothing to do with it.

Jen61

[Amazon D]

It is like asking: is blindness, paralysis, cancer, stupidity, ignorance, cruelty, and all the other psychological, physiological, and sociological maladies that afflict human kind, a test from god.

These type of test will presuppose a cruel, capricious, and not Omnipotent god. What happen if you fail the test. What scenario could cause more torment than GID.

Why would god make a test that cause afflicted people to kill themselves? There is no human affliction with a higher rate of suicide !

IMO GID is but due to a biological mishap, and like many human affiction the product of random and/or chaotic effects, nothing less or more. God has nothing to do with it.

Jen61

Why you ask.. because God knows there is more to our existence than our short term here on earth.. worry not for all things here.. Life here on earth is but a dream of the true spiritual world from whence we came and to where we will return..

yes there is more than just here so please know that taking your life still leaves you here until you can come back in another body and get it right..

Yes we are but a drop in the bucket of our existence here in these shells we call bodies..

[SandraJane]

Not a test as much as a cross to bear like any medical, physical or mental/emotional condition. Like other conditions it is a sign of Humankinds imperfection or frailty. Do I curse God (I do believe in Jesus), no I don't.

I feel like its more God telling me to accept what I am and not be afraid.

Noticed that some of you feel its more of a test of "the others", how do they treat us. The test is not always for the person afflicted.

No not a test, being human is being imperfect and that includes the body. And there are worse medical/physical conditions.

[Del]

Amazon D,
To start, better name than the last time I was here. Easier to spell and remember.

Thank you for your kind words. It's always a blessing for anyone to feel welcome or appreciated.

I did forgive Tekla. Even if it wasn't appreciated. That's part of being a Christian.

As for why I tend to take faith so seriously. It's for a couple of reasons.

The Bible says life and death is in the power of the tongue. Jesus also said by thy words thou shall be justified and by thy words thou shall be condemned.
He also said the words he spake were Spirit and life.

Speaking amiss can bring forth a spiritual death if one blasphemies the Holy Ghost.
Speaking right can confess the faith in one's heart towards him and bring everlasting life.

But, in the natural. Life and death are in the power of the tongue as well.
I have seen a young man that went to church and leaned on his faith in Christ. His life wasn't a bed of roses but he survived.
His parents decided to move and take him out of church. He warned them that his faith in Jesus was all that kept him going.
Shortly after we received news that he put the barrel of a nine millimeter in his mouth and ended his life. The note left behind said he couldn't take it anymore.
Needless to say his parents wished they had never moved.

The reason I post this is because you never know what one lurking might be on the verge of doing. If the words any Christian posts here gives a person on the brink of suicide the strength to make it  through another day.

Why come in and ruin it for them?

I understand many here rely on therapists. That is why I do not voice my views. I have to care enough to withhold my views that they might make it through another day. Even though I am in opposition.

I am sorry if I posted too hotly towards Tekla but I do take this very seriously and since I know that life can be ended with a post on a website or something else as simple as moving away from a church I won't go to any forum where my views may cause them to harm or kill themselves.

That is why I personally wish (even though I am cisgender and some feel I shouldn't be here anyway) that those who do not believe would refrain from posting negatively on the Christianity board. There are cisgender Christian sites were they can bash till their little heart's content without stealing what may be the only hope some have.

In like manner I wouldn't post on an Islam board, Hindu board or any of the boards where psychology or therapy is or any other form of help is discussed.

Respectfully,
Del

[SandraJane]

Del,

what more appropriate post  to turn the counter to 667! No you I don't think you were harsh to Tekla, it does take some by surprise your coming to Susan's, but you're sincere and forthright (from my point of view). I ask myself what God has put on your heart to visit with us, is the incident with the young man's suicide what is also on your heart? Was he Transgendered or dealing with other issues?

SJ