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Someone please weigh in (pun intended) - anyone else feel like this??

Started by Aussie Jay, August 31, 2011, 07:17:34 AM

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Aussie Jay

I'm a fat guy - I kind of accept this. I am somewhat at peace with this for the time being. Is it what I want to be forever - hell no! Would I like to be skinnier - of course, not only for aesthetic reasons but for health reasons too. I had a consult for top surgery - went well. I'm having another one for piece of mind. She told me I should lose weight - its better for me & will yield a better result yada yada yada.. Why thank you Captain Obvious - that hadn't crossed my mind. It's just hard to want to improve what I see when I hate what I see leading me to eat my feelings. Hearing this didn't help any and I'm pretty sure I ate these feelings too..

Anyone else feel this way pre top surgery? As much as I want to go to the gym & shed the kgs & build up the underlying muscle - it almost feels pointless coz I'm never going to see the changes I want to see.. I end up more depressed & I eat more feelings because of it. Jeeze, this really is a whinge-fest - my apologies again.. I guess my choice is - have top surgery with me as I am & then go on a complete overhaul health kick post op & probably need a later revision after I lose 20 odd kgs.. Or eat it up, overcome my thoughts & depression & shred now like the surgeon wants?? The other concern I have is that if I were to lose the weight now that my chest will become more prominent causing confusion and my not passing etc..

Tell me to stop being a nancy-boy & get over myself if you must... Clearly you can see I lack motivation & willpower. I actually really love sports & being active - I'm really not usually a whiney bugger. I find it really hard to be active in a binder & layers - plus I live in the tropics so add 30+ degrees (C) and like 75%+ humidity everyday.. To work alone I wear a sports top, binder, under shirt & work shirt & pretty similar when I do actually work out.

I see my problem being my chest.. I think if it were gone I would feel more confident, have more motivation & actually want to look better & workout so I could take my shirt off etc. It would also make it easier to work out - no binders, no layers & no rashes from the heat/sweat combo. *Sigh* not only did my breasts ruin my sports drive during my first puberty - they are interfering again now too  ::) Maybe I just need a teaspoon of cement or to fork over the $$ for some personal training coz clearly I can't do this alone...

Anyone?? Thoughts?? Opinions?? Help!

j.

A smooth sea never made for a skilled sailor.
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Nygeel

Honestly weight is not a determining factor of health. It's that mindset that really messes people up. There was a tv show called bull ->-bleeped-<-. They created an athletic event featuring a guy considered obese, and others that were "normal" weight. They had to run around a track and do other activities, all of which the obese guy did the best.

I'm fairly okay with my size. I don't think I would look less curvy if I lost weight since my body fat would likely be lost proportional to my current shape.
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Squirrel698

Stop being a Nancy Boy and get over yourself. 

It doesn't matter if the obese guy on the television could beat the normal weight guys.  Would you be able to beat the normal weight guys?  That's what is important. 

http://www.askmen.com/sports/health_150/160_mens_health.html

Okay you know the reason I've found that most people don't lose weight?  It's because the whole thing can seem to intimidating.  The changes you make to your life don't have to be huge to make a difference.  Doing 25 push-ups, sit-ups and squats every morning will really set you on the right path.  I did that for a long time and it really helped.  Now I'm doing chin-ups, dips and suspended ab crunches.  I'm getting some real ab definition and it's awesome!  I still have love handles from my pregnancies but even that is disappearing. 

This is an amazing product.  http://www.amazon.com/Iron-Total-Upper-Body-Workout/dp/B001ND04U4/ref=sr_1_1?s=sporting-goods&ie=UTF8&qid=1314795844&sr=1-1

Then do something small to change your diet.  Like cut out all fried foods one week.  Then stop drinking soda the next.  If you want something sweet eat fruit.  I prefer fruit over candy now hundred percent of the time.  Eat more meat.  Don't use extra butter or oil to cook with.  Keep your meals simple.

At the end of the day it's worth it.  :)
"It matters not how strait the gate, How charged with punishments the scroll, I am the master of my fate: I am the captain of my soul"
Invictus - William Ernest Henley
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Jasper

I think that if it comes down to it, if you really WANT to lose the weight you will make yourself do it. It's kinda like smoking: if you want to stop it badly enough you will be able to with enough work.

Personally I think that you should do it pre-op. Two reasons: one, you'll only have to go once. Two, although you hate your chest now and would rather not work out in a binder + layers, I think you'll feel muchbetter about yourself if you can start this and accomplish it before your surgery. And then look at the results as a reward for all your hard work up to that point. =]
~Jasper~
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Bahzi

Quote from: Nygeel on August 31, 2011, 07:26:29 AM
Honestly weight is not a determining factor of health. It's that mindset that really messes people up. There was a tv show called bull ->-bleeped-<-. They created an athletic event featuring a guy considered obese, and others that were "normal" weight. They had to run around a track and do other activities, all of which the obese guy did the best.

I'm fairly okay with my size. I don't think I would look less curvy if I lost weight since my body fat would likely be lost proportional to my current shape.

I saw that episode, and that's oversimplifying it, really.  I love Penn and Teller, but they're not exactly un-biased.  The 'obese' guy wasn't really obese, they were just exploiting the stupidity that is the BMI scale.  That guy was mostly muscle, built like an off-season football player (I believe he said he used to be an athlete even), he just had a gut, like most men do when they're above 15% body fat. 

The fact of the matter is, that the more fat you have, the more your heart has to work to get blood to all that extra tissue that has no function.  No cardiologist will tell you that being significantly overweight is healthy, because it just isn't.  I'm not saying that there's no healthy obese people, just that they'd be healthier and less at risk for a myriad of problems if they lost weight.

I'm not some skinny guy who was always skinny either, encouraging people to lose weight when I've no idea how hard it is.  I was 245 pounds about 2 and a half years ago, and I'm only 5'5".   http://i1107.photobucket.com/albums/h393/bahzi/beforeweightloss.jpg (boy, that's embarrassing, but there you go)

Due to depression and psychiatric medications, I gained over a hundred pounds over the course of several years.  It was the prospect of transition and wanting to look good once I did that helped me get the weight off.  After a bit more than a year I was 130 pounds, and although now I'm around 135, I'm trimmer and have more muscle, and only 10% body fat. 

Jay, it's true that boobs aren't going to simply disappear with weight loss, but mine look distinctly out of place now with my pectoral muscles above them, and somehow that's comforting to me.  They look like I just lost a bunch of weight,  not so much like a female.  I do think it'll help with surgery results too, even I can see where the muscle is behind the skin and little bit of breast tissue, and also, working out helps with blood supply to the area, always good for nerve re-growth and healing.

About the binding issue, I find that now that I've lost a lot of weight, binding is much, much easier.  It's mostly loose skin, so they'll mash down better and it doesn't hurt to bind at all.  Back when I was obese, binding was kind of painful because they weren't very pliable, heh.  The muscle I've gained keeps tight binders from hurting my ribs, and I've got enough upper body strength to put on a tri-top with one hand(discovered that when I injured the left arm awhile back).

You can do it man, and Squirrel's right- baby steps.  I did an intense diet and workout regimen to start, and lose 50 pounds in 3 months, but it also affected my health and gave me some reproductive issues (FYI, estrogen is stored in fat cells, so if you're prone to endometriosis or ovarian cysts, drastic, quick weight loss can make it worse, I wish someone had warned me.)  A much better way of doing it is just making some alterations to your diet to include less fat, more protein, less refined sugars, and starting a light exercise routine.  No need to hit the treadmill right away and injure your knees or put too much strain on yourself, but some light weight lifting, power walking, or if you've access to a gym, elliptical machine can help you get it off in a more healthy, less life altering way.

You can do it.  If you can go through with transition, you can lose weight, it takes the same kind of resolve. :)
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mowdan6

Ditto what Squirrel said.  With the sit-ups, push-ups, pull-ups, routine, I used to do them whenever it crossed my mind during the day.  Do one or the other to your max, and do more through-out the day.  One thing that really motivates me to exercise is.....I found a picture in a fitness mag of this guy who is in great shape. ( Not the muscle bound crap) He is completely naked except for a portion of a wheel in front of the genitals.  Looking at that motivates me because that's how I want to look.  Slowly getting there. 
Of course the other part is the dreaded word.....patience.  Don't try to lose all the weight in a week etc. 
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Natkat

Quote from: Aussie Jay on August 31, 2011, 07:17:34 AM
I'm a fat guy - I kind of accept this. I am somewhat at peace with this for the time being. Is it what I want to be forever - hell no! Would I like to be skinnier - of course, not only for aesthetic reasons but for health reasons too. I had a consult for top surgery - went well. I'm having another one for piece of mind. She told me I should lose weight - its better for me & will yield a better result yada yada yada.. Why thank you Captain Obvious - that hadn't crossed my mind. It's just hard to want to improve what I see when I hate what I see leading me to eat my feelings. Hearing this didn't help any and I'm pretty sure I ate these feelings too..

Anyone else feel this way pre top surgery? As much as I want to go to the gym & shed the kgs & build up the underlying muscle - it almost feels pointless coz I'm never going to see the changes I want to see.. I end up more depressed & I eat more feelings because of it. Jeeze, this really is a whinge-fest - my apologies again.. I guess my choice is - have top surgery with me as I am & then go on a complete overhaul health kick post op & probably need a later revision after I lose 20 odd kgs.. Or eat it up, overcome my thoughts & depression & shred now like the surgeon wants?? The other concern I have is that if I were to lose the weight now that my chest will become more prominent causing confusion and my not passing etc..

Tell me to stop being a nancy-boy & get over myself if you must... Clearly you can see I lack motivation & willpower. I actually really love sports & being active - I'm really not usually a whiney bugger. I find it really hard to be active in a binder & layers - plus I live in the tropics so add 30+ degrees (C) and like 75%+ humidity everyday.. To work alone I wear a sports top, binder, under shirt & work shirt & pretty similar when I do actually work out.

I see my problem being my chest.. I think if it were gone I would feel more confident, have more motivation & actually want to look better & workout so I could take my shirt off etc. It would also make it easier to work out - no binders, no layers & no rashes from the heat/sweat combo. *Sigh* not only did my breasts ruin my sports drive during my first puberty - they are interfering again now too  ::) Maybe I just need a teaspoon of cement or to fork over the $$ for some personal training coz clearly I can't do this alone...

Anyone?? Thoughts?? Opinions?? Help!

j.
I somehow feel the opposite,
I am pretty thin but I am worried if I start working out too much if it will have a bad effect on me havin top surgery for the future, because I am not used to train and now I train like 4 times at week,  and I am not sure if I will keep on training that much because to be honest im a lazy person.
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I guess to go on a diat is about cutting a habit more than anything.
on my old school I had the thing that I ate on my school a more or less healthy meal because we got food on the school,
but then I moved school where we had to bring our lunch with us ourself, and it fast became the same everyday and the close shops nearby with cake seams pretty nice, so for a short time I got a habbit about eating a cake pretty much every lunch and I deside to stop pretty fast because it would make me so unhealthy. of corse I want the cake but its not like I been feeling the need of it everyday, like then. the first days where I deside (now I would wait untill next week to buy this cake) It where hard but then after some days you got use to it.
I think putting up some simple rules would make a big diffrence, exemple I still live unhealthy, but I got few rules for myself, ex that I dont drink coke, alcohol or anything when im alone only when I am with people.

eating is actually more important than working out, so if you train alot but eat unhelty then it wont really make a diffence.
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for training I got pretty much the same trouble, I wanna work out but I feel its so hard with a binder, I sweat constantly, find it hard to breath and its hard to wash it afterward. I started on doing some few trannings like push ups and stuff like that everyday before taking a bath on the bathroom where nobody would come see me without a binder (because I lock the door when I go to the bathroom) I think you could try that if the binding or people seeing you are your concern.

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robokot

From my personal experience - exercise does help a lot but not nearly as much as changing your diet. I nearly halfed my body weight over five years and now my BMI is normal. I watch my calories, never eat fried food, don't drink tea, coffee - just hot water, eat a lot of vegetables/fruits and lean meat. I eat 5 small meals a day and never after 5pm, and I don't feel hungry at all - my body is used to it. To be fair keeping a steady weight over the last year was greatly helped by my hiatus hernia and acid reflux witch made me watch what I eat a lot more  :P but I feel so much better and more confident (not to mention that my figure is much less curvy and feminine now)
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Wesley_33

Maybe we should start a weight loss/ muscle building thread. A way for us to motivate each other daily to eat better and do those sit ups and push ups. Set weekly weight loss goals, daily exersice goals and such.
What is the most beautiful in virile men is something feminine; what is most beautiful in feminine women is something masculine.



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Sharky

I'm fat and I'm ok with it. I'm healthy and I'm ok with it aesthetically too. I have huge tits and they are just as big when I'm thin. Having the extra weight everywhere else helps conceal them. I feel more balanced too, instead of just top heavy. But I figured if I'm going to enjoy a high calorie diet, I might as well put those extra calories to work and gain muscle. Start lifting, get some free weights. You can do it in the privacy of your home so you don't have to worry about binding and passing. You will be able to feel, and see in some areas, the changes. Getting into better shape now will make you feel great once those bandages are off. Work out post op is far from ideal. You will have to wait for months so you don't stretch the scars. You may not even have full sensation in your chest. When you have more muscle you burn more calories every day.  Just give yourself enough time to cut and get your weight down before surgery.  I know it can be hard to take care of a body you hate, but you need to so your future body can be better. Don't waste time coming up with excuses as to why you can't work out and just do what you need to do.
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Electric Wizard

I am fat as well and have the same concerns. Mostly of how obvious my chest tumours will be if I lose weight. Binding is a challenge as it is, but at least now they can pass for man boobs when I bind. But I do need to start working out for health reasons. I have had similar heat issues in the summer (I don't live in the tropics, I just get overheated easily because I'm fat), so I haven't done much. Hopefully the cooler weather will help motivate me more. Plus T is giving me a bit more energy and motivation.
T since Jul 12/11
Hysto: May 7/13
Top surgery: Aug 22/13
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Darrin Scott

I'm heavy too and gained 40 pounds in a year and a half. I also want to lose weight, but being bigger chested I'm worried it might make it more obvious. I found doing weight watchers along with exercising helped. I lost quite a bit of weight with that.

I do have a question though. If the BMI thing is bogus, then how do you identify a healthy weight?





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IowaBoy

I was huge as I started the process of transition at the beginning of the year. H-U-G-E. And I used to be a good high school and college athlete.

Anyway, I began working out, lost maybe 20 lbs. Started T and probably lost 30 more, while gaining about 10 lbs of muscle before top surgery. Not only was it good for my emotions in general through the stressful time, but it was wonderful looking in the mirror each day seeing pecs and shoulders growing.

Since top surgery I've lost another 20 lbs and still want to lose 40-50 more. I was nowhere near my ideal weight when I had top, but the good solid pec base that I had did wonders for me during recovery.

If you're going to do it someday man...well someday never comes. Just go do it. The good parts of it both emotionally and in developing muscles will do you a world of good.
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JohnAlex

Against what everyone else in this thread seems to be saying....

I think you should get the top surgery first.  And perhaps go in for a revision later on.
But if you cannot be motivated to lose weight now, then why try and disappoint yourself?  I think you should get the top surgery now, then you will have the motivation to lose weight.  and then if you need a revision, you can get that done.

I know what it's like to be unable to put forth the effort to lose weight.  That's exactly how I am.  I can try for a few days, then I give up. 

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JohnAlex

Quote from: Wesley_33 on August 31, 2011, 02:06:40 PM
Maybe we should start a weight loss/ muscle building thread. A way for us to motivate each other daily to eat better and do those sit ups and push ups. Set weekly weight loss goals, daily exersice goals and such.
Quote from: Logan Bann on August 31, 2011, 02:36:20 PM
I agree with Wesley, a thread where we could post our goals and accomplishments and everything he said would be a good idea.

Kinda already been done:

https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,102611.0.html

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tekla

The older you get, the harder it is to get rid of the weight.
FIGHT APATHY!, or don't...
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Ryno

Starting a new routine takes discipline and patience. I'll highly recommend stretching every day and drink a good amount of water - if you pee a dark yellow and chug when you finally pour a glass of water, you need to be drinking more. If you drink more than one can of soda a day, replace the extra ones with water, tea, or juice.

Eat veggies and lean protein. I take protein shakes when I don't have a lot of meat in the fridge and don't feel like eating lentils.

When you work out - start with light stretching of all muscles you plan to use. Then go into ten to fifteen minutes whatever you can manage of cardio (right now I jog on the spot because my right foot is in really bad shape - I need orthopedic insoles) and to start, it's a great exersice if going out makes you anxious or you don't have any cardio machines like an eliptical. Just go easy on your knees and feet. And keep in mind that your lungs will want to crap out within a couple of minutes of starting - don't be discouraged, this doesn't mean you're weak. That's the "hump", when you feel like you can't go on - push it, keep going, and suddenly you'll adjust and it'll be a little easier to breathe.

I'd say try a 5-10 minute cardio warm-up for the first week - at least three times a week, and don't give yourself a hard time if you need to take breaks every minute or two.

Cardio's really important at the start of a workout because it'll burn extra calories, then when you move onto muscle training you'll be burning fat. Try to spend twenty minutes on weights - bicep curls, tricep extensions, back flies, and ifor your legs you can do squats with dumbells in hand. Make sure to find someone who can show youw a proper squat because it's something you really don't want to mess up.

You want to use enough weight that you can do two sets of 8-12 reps and train yourself to 3 sets of 12 reps. So even if you're doing 15lb bicep curls, who cares as long as you can do your full sets. (I'm guessing you're on T so you can probably curl more than 15 lbs :P)

It's a good idea to cool down with another cardio workout. Try to go at least 5 minutes at the start of your training. Try to breath deep - don't give in to shallow breathing.

I'm not sure where you are as far as lung capacity is, so I say 5 minutes to start as a precaution. I surprised myself by going for 20 minutes the other day, and I'm a smoker who hasn't run for two years. You never know what you're capable of until you try and push yourself.

And like ... someone else said, don't look at it as loosing weight, look at it as getting into shape. As beating yesterday's record and constantly improving your life. Being physically fit will lead to many other life improvements - the first being that wonderful euphoria you feel after an intense workout. You'll love it and you'll want more of it.

Hop this helps and it's really all just a guideline based on my own experiences and information I've gathered over the years. Take it as you will :)
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hwytoaster

Hey man, I'm in the same boat, except I'm starting out a lot bigger. I've tried every kind of strict diet, fruits & veggies, lean meat, counting calories, portion sizes, low fat, low carb and everything else, in conjunction with exercising like crazy, for up to 6 months at a time with NO RESULT!!!! Then I'd give up because after 6 months you would expect to have lost a few pounds but to stay the same weight & same size no matter how hard your efforts, it left me feeling hopeless and like I was doomed to be enormous for the rest of my life. I could be at peace with that if everyone wasn't so critical, hateful, mean, nasty and disrespectful. I mean everyone in my life harps on my weight constantly. My not-so-significant other, which is kind of on it's way out for the last time I think, and my family and my enemies. Everyone's always on about my weight, how I'll never lose weight, how I eat too much (when I seriously don't), and when everyone's on my case about it, then I just don't care, because I really can't stand having things harped on 24-7, being nagged and bothered relentlessly, it's really draining for me. But I recently lost 25 lbs due to starvation, because my situation has gotten a lot worse and I can't afford food. I didn't expect to lose any weight but when I saw that I had lost that much, well yeah, it felt good! And I'm trying to keep it up, even though I've failed, and broken down and gotten myself a sandwich for lunch at Jimmy John's the past 3 days, even tho I get it without mayo & get the hot peppers on it so it has some juice from the peppers, still, it's more calories than my homemade pizzas, which was what I was eating because I had nothing else but flour, spaghetti sauce and cheese. I'd say my homemade pizzas are around 600 calories and that's all I would have in a day. But even though I'm trying to stick to that level of starvation in hopes of losing more weight, my family still harps on me and says that my 1 small homemade pizza a day is eating way too much. Seriously?!?! Anorexics eat 500 calories a day and I've just been eating about 600 a day like WTF do they expect? They expect me to limit myself to 10 calories a day?!? They probably do because everyone wants to see me fall, crumble and kill myself so they can sit back, laugh and feel proud of themselves for destroying me but oh no, don't worry I won't give them the pleasure.  But anyway, it still really pisses me off and really brings me down. Because I feel easily defeated and feel like there's no point in anything when I've got no one on my side rooting for me, I got everyone rooting against me even those who are supposed to be close to me and care about me. Also, I'm very rebellious and do not like anyone trying to assume authority over me, and my family especially when they see me making an effort to lose weight they act all smug and smirk at me like they've won, because in their eyes I'm caving in to their demands and I am trying to lose weight to please them, which means they have the ultimate control and authority over me that everyone thinks they have. And believe me, even my enemies, people who hate me think that they are my masters and that I was put here on earth to obey their every command. And I have a HUGE problem with everyone thinking that I was put here on earth to be beneath and subservient to everyone else. I hate being seen as weak because I know I am strong and even at my weight I can beat the living crap out of my enemies if they had the guts to face me in person. So that does play a factor in making it an agonizing thing to try to starve myself to lose weight, because I don't want anyone getting the wrong idea and thinking that I'm trying to please them. But I want to lose 100 lbs from this point because I do not see myself as a big huge fat guy and I don't want to be a big huge fat guy. I'm only 5'5" and I do expect to be a bigger guy and probably will look fat even at my thinnest, because I am big built I'm not just saying that. I have had x-rays and the size and density of my bones is that of someone 6'5" plus I have the muscle right now to be a seriously buff guy with big legs and big pecs only it's buried under the fat. So I see myself as being 200-230lbs depending on just how lean I could get. But even with just being 25 lbs lighter I can already walk for longer than I could before so once I stop bleeding like a slaughtered pig (yeah that time of the month) I'm gonna start walking, maybe even jogging because it's not a determination to lose the weight as much as my determination to f--- everybody up that drives me. But of course the hardest thing is not eating. Of course everyone will swear you need to eat fruits & veggies and eat 1600 calories and all that, but that doesn't work for me and I've got to do whatever works. Of course though, I am angry that most people get to stuff themselves sick with Chili's, Ruby Tuesday's & IHOP all they want and still be skinny while I literally have to live off bread & water to lose weight.
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insideontheoutside

Quote from: hwytoaster on August 31, 2011, 11:52:43 PM
But I recently lost 25 lbs due to starvation, because my situation has gotten a lot worse and I can't afford food.

You do realize the health consequences of "starvation diets" don't you? I mean, what's the point of losing weight if you lose your health along with it? There are plenty of ways to eat healthy, sustaining foods on the cheap, with minimal calories (whole grains, beans, legumes, etc.) but purposely not eating or eating so little that it's costing you healthwise isn't good. Your body will actually start "eating" muscle tissue (remember, your heart is made of muscle as well) and other bad things. The body need nutrients ("fuel") and exercise in the right combination for you.

Sure there are zen masters and yogis out there who "starve" themselves but they've also dedicated their lives to living a certain way, with years of experience on how to actually control things about their bodies.
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