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Anyone else feel this way?

Started by insideontheoutside, September 02, 2011, 10:10:42 PM

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insideontheoutside

Something got brought to the surface this week for me that reminded me of a lot of feelings and ideas that I started to have when I was beyond that carefree kid stage and starting to understand more about male and female in society.

I remember early on picking up the nuances of how women were treated vs. men ... what was expected of women vs. men. I remember one time I think we were at a family function and I was sitting in a chair, like I normally sit in a chair - comfortable, legs not together, a little bit of a slouch - and my mom came up to me and said, "young ladies do not sit like that" and pushed my knees together. Mind you, my mother is one of the few people in my life that knows (although never acknowledges) that I'm not a normal "female" in the body department. Yet after a certain age she persisted in trying really hard to turn me into a lady. There was lots of talk of make up and attempts at trying to buy me push-up bras and fix my hair. All the while, I started to just seethe with anger under the surface. For one, I've never been a female, not even on day 1 on this earth and I was being pushed and pushed and pushed to be something I wasn't. The second reason, is I completely started to resent how our society (in the U.S.) expects women to be. Even if I wasn't born how I was and was just a normal female I think I still might have rebelled because I would just look around all the time at all the females and wonder why they all just fell into line and accepted the uncomfortable clothes, the make up, the lower paid jobs, the fact that society just expected you to find a man and become a baby machine.

This isn't a topic about feminism or anything like that. I realize that females have come a long way and I don't necessarily think that a society of complete equals is what should happen either. The reality is, women can do some things men can't and men can do some things women can't and that's probably not going to change any time soon. But I'm talking about just my own experience and perspective formed early on from observation and how people started treating me.

Many years of my life people who did not know me, treated me as male, because I looked male. However, when they found out my name or someone would address me as "she" or "her" then everything would change. I would get treated even worse then! Society just can not deal with a women who looks male (for this reason I do sympathize with butch females, but that's another whole topic). It was ridiculous, yet morbidly fascinating at the same time to see how everyone seemed to just have these notions of what male and female were. I got made fun of a lot in middle school and high school because I was the "girl" who looked like a dude. Back in the 90's there wasn't the huge trans and LGB movements amongst young people. There were goths though - they were great because they were actually gender-bending and no one really messed with them because they were afraid of them! So that's who I hung out with and they accepted me no matter what I looked like. That was also amazing to me. How some people could look so "freaky" to the rest of society and be so open minded - while the rest of society just ridiculed them.

But because of these early experiences, observations and feelings I do actually have a resentment when it comes to women - not other women though, but people putting me in that category. People applying those "rules" to me. People pointing out how I don't look the part or act the part or asking intrusive questions like "don't you want to become pregnant?" Any time at all someone does that it's like I go right back to being 12 again and resenting the hell out of people making assumptions about me, telling me how I should be behaving and putting me a box I didn't belong in. I've made a life for myself regardless, but I still have the "F" on my birth certificate ... I never changed my name and people are always going to refer to me as female in some instances. Not really a way around that. Luckily little incidents that set me off to thinking this way don't happen that often.

So, does that make sense? Anyone else feel this way?
"Let's conspire to ignite all the souls that would die just to feel alive."
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Sharky

I'm not sure exactly what you are asking. Am I bothered by the nuances of men and women? I don't think about it, so no. However, when I was a kid and my mother would go on one of her random crusades to feminize me, it would. Men and women are different. Most people are ok with this. Most who are AFAB enjoy being a women and all that goes with it.

Why not change your name if you don't like it?
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Kentrie

I feel this way all the time. Constantly. It always goes through my head that I'll never be like other boys. I will never be 100% male and I feel like killing myself constantly.
Push it baby, push it baby, out of control, I got my gun cocked tight and I'm ready to blow. ;)
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Sharky

Quote from: Kentrie on September 03, 2011, 12:02:00 AM
I feel this way all the time. Constantly. It always goes through my head that I'll never be like other boys. I will never be 100% male and I feel like killing myself constantly.
How about viewing the glass as half full instead of half empty. Try focusing on what you can do transition wise instead of what you can't.
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insideontheoutside

Quote from: Sharky on September 02, 2011, 11:45:25 PM
I'm not sure exactly what you are asking. Am I bothered by the nuances of men and women? I don't think about it, so no. However, when I was a kid and my mother would go on one of her random crusades to feminize me, it would. Men and women are different. Most people are ok with this. Most who are AFAB enjoy being a women and all that goes with it.

Why not change your name if you don't like it?

I already pointed out that obviously the two are different. The bother comes from people holding you to some set of rules - that don't fit who you are. Are you bothered by society plugging you into the role of a woman ... when you're not?

It's not even so much a complaint as it is an observation and something that just makes me feel a certain way. It's not about transitioning to something else. I just want to be who I am, but no matter what society has an agenda and does not really take into consideration there are variations on the male and female models.
"Let's conspire to ignite all the souls that would die just to feel alive."
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Vincent E.S.

Ugh, yes. Both sets of my grandparents are quite sexist. Even when I was little and didn't really know anything about sexism, I still noticed the differences in treatment. On one side, my grandpa wouldn't talk about politics or religion with women. On the other side, all the men were permitted to hang out outside and talk to one another while the women were required to clean the tables and set out all the dishes and food (which they had made) so that the men could then come over and say a prayer before eating. Even though my mother tried not to feminize me, I too experienced the legs/sitting issue, many times in fact. My mother made a big fuss when I was little about how I wouldn't be allowed to wear makeup until I was in high school, but I always got the idea that she was a bit disappointed that I didn't try to rebel in that aspect. I was always considered an extreme prude by my family since I didn't wear short shorts, short skirts, leggings, anything skintight or that showed my figure or breasts.
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hwytoaster

What you say makes perfect sense to me. I grew up not knowing I had any choice to think of myself as a boy though. But I have been made fun of my whole life for looking like a boy. And I wasn't allowed to dress like a boy for school. I got to wear boy's clothes at home, but was made to wear pink and purple frilly things to school which got me made fun of because I was the girl who has the face of a boy and is too ugly and can't be pretty like girls are supposed to be. But I never knew I had any choice until about January of this year. I guess because I come from a small town, int he most backwards state in the country, and you are told exactly who and what to be. You are put into a little box. You are given a long list of specific rules to follow. You are expected to attract a husband and be a baby machine. And I hate it with every fiber of my being. Especially now that I do realize I have the choice, and I choose to be male because I always have been male in my mind even if I didn't know that that could be. As a little kid, I instinctively went for boy's clothes and toys. I've always shopped for men's clothes without thinking twice about it. That's just who I am. And I am ridiculed, A LOT, harassed constantly, every day of my life, for not looking like a female. There's a little group of morons in my town that troll the internet because they have nothing else going for them in life but sitting on their butts smoking weed and snorting Oxycontins. They're the ones behind all the screen names that constantly talk ->-bleeped-<- on me about not being good enough to get a man, being too fat, too ugly, and how horrible and worthless of a person I am for not fulfilling my role as a baby machine and how I deserve to die because of my failure to be slim, pretty, forever barefoot & pregnant female. And since I didn't grow up thinking I had any choice, because coming from a small town like this, you are taught that you have no choice, you must obey, this is your place in life and that's the end of the story. But now all I do is seethe with the anger and hatred of it all, sometimes to the point of an all-consuming rage inside. My blood boils with anger. I hate everything and everyone here (in my state/area). I hate how ignorant, narrow-minded, prejudiced, bigoted and hateful they are. I hate that they never shut up, that they're just relentless in trying to step all over me, slander my name, and that they've actually made it their goal in life to keep me from ever having anything in life. They threaten to jump me, beat me up and kill me all the time because of "what I've done to them" and to everyone else by not fitting in to my assigned gender role of worthy baby machine. I seriously wish I could slit all their throats. I wish death upon them all. All I've ever wanted was to be equal to others, to work and live and lead a normal life. To just be another person who's as good as anyone else. But I don't have that. I'm considered below everyone else in the world, the scum of the earth, someone not worthy of anything, someone who deserves to die because I don't want to be a baby machine.  >:( >:( >:( >:(  So yes, I understand completely.
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bojangles

Yeah, I can relate to you and hwytoaster.

Couldn't find any trans youth examples in the 70's, either.
Where you found goth people, I found manly softball players.  :laugh:

But, before that was the influence of adults who teach that it is not ok to be who you are. That there is something wrong with us.
That you must keep your legs together or be ashamed of yourself. I got this at home, at school, etc. It does not instill confidence and apparently can strip away what there may have been. It can also inspire a great deal of anger & rebellion. I admire those who have been able to just say "I'm a boy and that's that" and stick to it. Very hard to imagine that being possible with no support from anyone on earth. Today, at least we have a connection through the Internet.

Those so called "parents" who post awful comments on nearly every online story about us...the ones who want little carbon copies of themselves...not worthy of raising small people, IMO. Too clueless to ever figure out the damage they do. It's not just about gender roles. To stifle the spirit of a child is just plain wrong.
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insideontheoutside

Yeah it's funny - there's some people who think I'm a "cute" guy ... and others that think I'm an "ugly" girl. And it's pretty much always been that way.

I have noticed in the particular area I live now more "manly" looking women seem to be accepted more, but in general I think most of society has their idea of what "pretty" and what "manly" should be and it's a very narrow view.

"Let's conspire to ignite all the souls that would die just to feel alive."
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