Oh dear.
First of all:
Quote from: Felix on October 17, 2011, 12:34:30 AM
It's fun to talk about, but I don't think OP or the other posters really meant that we should invent and implement something like this. I took it as tongue in cheek.
Yeah, I'm not launching a campaign here. It was just me letting my imagination run. But even if I was really serious about this, I don't see why it should be a problem at all that I was.
And second of all:
Quote from: Andy8715 on October 16, 2011, 09:33:30 PMHow do you know? You say it's not cause they aren't passable but that you just know. What basis are you using to identify other trans people.
Hard to say. There are just little things that are hard to parse. I'm sure if I sat down and thought about it, I could break it down, but there's no reason for me to do that because my transdar works okay as it is.
And it's different for every person, too. And also beyond the scope of this thread--goes way too off topic.
Besides, it doesn't matter, because you already seem to have an answer for me:
QuoteThere is no way to know for sure because no matter what you think about the way a person looks, carries themselves, etc. you will never know what is in their pants or their hearts for that matter unless they tell you.
Well, duh. lol. I didn't mean to say I knew absolutely for sure beyond a doubt, etc. It's more like a suspicion or something along those lines. It's a feeling that you
just know, not an actual absolute state of just knowing if that makes any sense. Sorry if I made it seem otherwise or implied I was clairvoyant or something.
Yes, there's no single tell-tale thing that will make any given transperson different from any given bioperson. But of course, you can't deny the history of a transperson and that's going to make some people from that general group have certain patterned things in common. There's no reason to deny this. It is what it is.
QuoteSome would be very offended even if you aren't saying they aren't "passable" because to them they are just any other guy or girl.
Of course there would be people who would be offended by this. I know this well. How do I know this? I'm trans and I hang out with other trans people. So many trans people (including myself) are offended by so many things, both reasonably and unreasonably. Name it, and I could find a reason for me to be offended about it. I mean, considering the types of situations a lot of us have been through, I wouldn't blame people, but still. WAY too sensitive. We all need to calm it down a little.
Btw, why can't someone be "just any other guy or girl" and also be trans? In a way, what that sort of attitude implies could also be kind of offensive to some people. It implies that a trans person is in fact not just any other guy or girl and has to hide the fact that they're not. That may be what some people out in the world think of us: That we're not "really" the gender we identify as, that we're not "normal" and should therefore pretend that we're not trans...but we all know that's not true. Being trans isn't a bad thing and it doesn't have to be that different from being a cis-person.
QuoteThey are not trans identified, they feel as though it's a medical condition that should not be the main descriptor/identifier of their lives.
Then wonderful.
But they're still transsexual in the sense of their history and I might notice it. Doesn't mean it's the center of either their life or mine. It's not. It's just a fact. I neither have to pay much attention to it in my daily life, nor do I have to deny it like it's a plague. I'm just a guy, trans or not.
Of course, if you sense that that's the type of person they are--very deep stealth--then it's only prudent to not try to talk to them about their transness. I know people who are like that--who don't like to acknowledge their transness--and that's fine. It's usually obvious by their demeanor if they don't want to be bothered. Either way, let's say you read them wrong and they
were very stealth and you did the "trans signal" to them anyway. They'd still have an easy way out: Not doing the secret handshake back or whatever.
Even deep stealth people need to get over it. There's moving beyond ones past, and then there's denying it to the point that you're offended if people notice they have a common condition to yours.
QuoteI personally would be pretty pissed because I am a man and no one has the right to act so all knowing as to out themselves to me (while implying that I am trans) without any provocation.
Wait, you'd be pissed if someone outed themselves
to you? I don't think it's something to be pissed about if someone, in goodwill, outs
themselves to you. That's showing a lot of friendliness and trust on their part, I think, even if by doing so they're implying that they think you're trans too. Again, why is being trans such a bad thing?
Aaaaanyway, obviously, this is all WAY off topic and there are different, underlying issues here that have to do with the difference between the "hating ones transness" camp, the "I don't really give a crap that I'm trans" camp," and the "Weeee! I'm trans!" camp.
We should all duke this out in a different thread if that's the case.
