Now if we talk bottom surgery

[Mahsa Tezani]

not really confusing if you think about it. She's a non op heterosexual woman.

Thank you Annah.

[Mahsa Tezani]

Seriously, why are non-ops even posting in this thread? The question is not about you, it's about those that do need the surgery.

Color me valid.

[Jamie Nicole]

Why?

if you dont stick your penis in a vagina, then I'm wondering where that you do stick it (assuming you do somewhere)......help me out here

[Mahsa Tezani]

if you dont stick your penis in a vagina, then I'm wondering where that you do stick it (assuming you do somewhere)......help me out here

See definition of "anal sex"

[Annah]

Seriously, why are non-ops even posting in this thread? The question is not about you, it's about those that do need the surgery.

Look at the last option of the poll. That gives non ops validity to post here.

[Jamie Nicole]

Look at the last option of the poll. That gives non ops validity to post here.

which are you annah? nonop/preop/postop?  if i recall correctly, you commented a few months ago that you were having surgery with mcginn in a few weeks......

[Jamie Nicole]

See definition of "anal sex"

anal sex?  with who if you dont mind me asking.....male or female...

[SandraJane]

Seriously, why are non-ops even posting in this thread? The question is not about you, it's about those that do need the surgery.

Look at the last option of the poll. That gives non ops validity to post here.

I agree with Annah, and this is topic is in an "open" area, MTF Transexual Talk, not Post Op, open to all to post.

[Mahsa Tezani]

anal sex?  with who if you dont mind me asking.....male or female...

cisMen.

[Jamie Nicole]

cisMen.

oh......per my conversation with mod arch, here is my take, which according to him is not a violation of the tos and I know I'll get attacked and slandered but I'm going to say it:
If I/, meaning me and solely me, had a penis, had no intention of ever having it removed, if I engaged in anal sex with another man, then I, would not consider myself to be a woman, in fact I would consider myself to be a crossdressing gay man and not a woman.

the following is a quote from Arch during our conversation:
It is one thing to say that YOU would not consider yourself a woman if you wanted to keep your penis, and another thing entirely to say that someone ELSE who wants to keep her penis is a man.

[Mahsa Tezani]

Yeah, well, the "surgery doesn't define" me trolling has once again destroyed a (very interesting) thread. Geez, like nobody saw that one coming.

Why can't you just click the 4th option and then keep silent if you don't want the surgery? Is it really that hard to keep quiet about the fact that you want to keep your penis, or are you so proud of it that everyone needs to know about it all the time?

Penis pride, hun  ... Why should i have to be silent? Didn't you read the "color me valid" comment earlier. There are many different types of TS's.... Preops, non ops, post ops... I think there's more, but for now...there's 3 types.

If you're anti penis, you know what? Thats fine with me. Cuz you're not me. You'll never be me. Cuz you're you, that's why.

[Mahsa Tezani]

oh......per my conversation with mod arch, here is my take, which according to him is not a violation of the tos and I know I'll get attacked and slandered but I'm going to say it:
If I/, meaning me and solely me, had a penis, had no intention of ever having it removed, if I engaged in anal sex with another man, then I, would not consider myself to be a woman, in fact I would consider myself to be a crossdressing gay man and not a woman.

the following is a quote from Arch during our conversation:
It is one thing to say that YOU would not consider yourself a woman if you wanted to keep your penis, and another thing entirely to say that someone ELSE who wants to keep her penis is a man.

Oh...you tried to trap me!

Fail.

And btw, voice your opinion and I don't care. I don't care if I am not a woman in your eyes... And I have a preference for cisMen. Not hatin, just know what I like.

You can click the block feature anytime you want hun.

[Sarah Louise]

Lets keep this friendly folks.  We have gone far enough with the current posts and its time to start over from the beginning.

[Jamie Nicole]

Oh...you tried to trap me!

Fail.

And btw, voice your opinion and I don't care. I don't care if I am not a woman in your eyes... And I have a preference for cisMen. Not hatin, just know what I like.

You can click the block feature anytime you want hun.

no, not true at all..........I'm just trying to gain a better understanding, that's all

[Mahsa Tezani]

no, not true at all..........I'm just trying to gain a better understanding, that's all

PM, add me on fb....anywhere else, I will discuss it with you. Just not here.

[Jamie Nicole]

Penis pride, hun  ... Why should i have to be silent? Didn't you read the "color me valid" comment earlier. There are many different types of TS's.... Preops, non ops, post ops... I think there's more, but for now...there's 3 types.

If you're anti penis, you know what? Thats fine with me. Cuz you're not me. You'll never be me. Cuz you're you, that's why.

since the thread is "now if we talk bottom surgery", lets take it to a Freudian level, you love your penis and want to keep it, but why do you love your penis?  if you wanna reply via PM, that's fine.  I dont know you so I'm certainly not going to look you up on FB

[Morrigan]

Does a GG using a strap-on make her less valid as a woman? for that matter does a post-op have to be ashamed of using one on her GG SO,
as is widely known that MTF lesbians are very common. What does activity in private change about someone's gender?

Pre-op/non-op women have enough hateful things said about them already, there is no need to stir up more trouble for them.

[SandraJane]

Hope you dont mind
but the thing just catch my mind,

I thought many FTMs dont do bottom surgery, either because they feel confortable enought in what they got, or that the surgery result
will give a bad result, personally. I dont mind so much but I guess the surgery also generally to bad for my taste and if they where better there would have been a bigger chance I would do it.

I just wonder if it would be the same for mtf,
would you option of the bottom surgery chance if the result wasn't that good,
or if it was more complicated?

Lets keep this friendly folks.  We have gone far enough with the current posts and its time to start over from the beginning.

Everyone take a deep breath...exhale...

SJ

[Jamie Nicole]

My hatred for my genitals was lifelong. Once I knew it was possible to remove it and it was something even I could have (not just the rich and famous), I did everything within my means to get rid of it. I was on a mission and nothing was going to stop me. Not family, not employer, not spouse, not children ...nothing. I gave up everything and did it openly saying this is me, if you dont like it ...too bad, this is something I need. I was willing to die for it. When I walked into that operating room and allowed them to make me unconscious I knew I was doing the right thing, even if I never awoke. Those were my last thoughts as I fell asleep. Contentment. I was going to die happy.

If the only possibility was a nullification, it would have been better than having that thing there. It disgusted me beyond sanity.

Fortunately, that is not the case and I have a functional vagina. The relief, happiness and pleasure is immeasurable.

I do not understand why any woman would not want a vagina for their life, for both themselves and their lovers. When a man reaches down and his hand finds its way to that silky place igniting both of our passion, there is nothing like it. When he is inside me and my body arches up to his and I look up at him and see the smile of pleasure and ecstasy on his face, there is nothing like it. But each of us have to make that decision for ourselves.

Was I lucky? No, I made it happen. It took me 51 years, but I made it happen. Nothing on earth was going to stop me.

I concur with this 100%......

[Valeriedoeswcs]

Hope you dont mind
but the thing just catch my mind,

I thought many FTMs dont do bottom surgery, either because they feel confortable enought in what they got, or that the surgery result
will give a bad result, personally. I dont mind so much but I guess the surgery also generally to bad for my taste and if they where better there would have been a bigger chance I would do it.

I just wonder if it would be the same for mtf,
would you option of the bottom surgery chance if the result wasn't that good,
or if it was more complicated?

No one should have any misunderstanding that MtF SRS is a simple procedure, it is a very complex surgery requiring much expertise. Only a few surgeons perform it. And there are some very serious complications. People die from SRS. I am not making that up. I for one had a terrible tear and other long term complications.

That said, I was in Montreal with a guy who had a phalloplasty and his body unfortunately rejected his penis. It was heartbreaking for everyone. He went through so much pain. We all did. All the women there were in pain and so were the guys. We all have to appreciate what we go through to correct our bodies. When you witness what people go through first hand, those are sacred, awe moments. I will never forget those brothers and sisters that went through that time with me.