Why do some MTF's act like gay men?

[Butterflyhugs]

It seems you didn't if you're using the same words on page 8 as the title and OP 

[AbraCadabra]

Back on TOPIC,

yes I have noticed some gay male behaviour in MtFs, - fresh out of SRS in that case.

It was NOWHERE as unsubtle as some earlier posts mentioned - YET, there it was.

It was that lightly over the top mincing "sugar queen" walk (even after SRS), the over-subtle pronunciation of words/speech, the affected shake of one's hair, THAT LOOK, like ohhhh dea..., etc. etc. All of it so thespian, theatrical, staged...

In deed in that case the person was presenting VERY gay-male sugar queen before and ONLY ever had intimacy with males and very much liked anal intercourse, like sooo: divine it was, hey.

So there you have it. I was just hoping for her, she HAD in deed made the right decision with her SRS, as she also numerous times point out how much she disliked, abhorred women... her gg platonic friend was present. Poor girl.

You go figure this one out. Turn yourself physically into something you hate? Hello! Also didn't like breasts just to fill the measure.

It also is why I said in short: They ARE gay men, and after SRS, gay men with a vagina, YMMV.

Axelle

[JenJen2011]

Back on TOPIC,

yes I have noticed some gay male behaviour in MtFs, - fresh out of SRS in that case.

It was NOWHERE as unsubtle as some earlier posts mentioned - YET, there it was.

It was that lightly over the top mincing "sugar queen" walk (even after SRS), the over-subtle pronunciation of words/speech, the affected shake of one's hair, THAT LOOK, like ohhhh dea..., etc. etc. All of it so thespian, theatrical, staged...

In deed in that case the person was presenting VERY gay-male sugar queen before and ONLY ever had intimacy with males and very much liked anal intercourse, like sooo: divine it was, hey.

So there you have it. I was just hoping for her, she HAD in deed made the right decision with her SRS, as she also numerous times point out how much she disliked, abhorred women... her gg platonic friend was present. Poor girl.

You go figure this one out. Turn yourself physically into something you hate? Hello! Also didn't like breasts just to fill the measure.

It also is why I said in short: They ARE gay men, and after SRS, gay men with a vagina, YMMV.

Axelle

A good read. Thanks!

[Rebekah with a K-A-H]

Oh, that's what you think of black people? Shame on you for reinforcing the stereotype.

No, seriously. I think I've gotten your point. Your still off topic.

You don't seem to have gotten the point that you're perpetuating a malicious stereotype.  Butterflyhugs is being on topic and her comparison to the ways in which African Americans suffer from terrible prejudice based on stereotype is similar to the fashion in which you're othering gay men.

Back on TOPIC,

yes I have noticed some gay male behaviour in MtFs, - fresh out of SRS in that case.

It was NOWHERE as unsubtle as some earlier posts mentioned - YET, there it was.

It was that lightly over the top mincing "sugar queen" walk (even after SRS), the over-subtle pronunciation of words/speech, the affected shake of one's hair, THAT LOOK, like ohhhh dea..., etc. etc. All of it so thespian, theatrical, staged...

In deed in that case the person was presenting VERY gay-male sugar queen before and ONLY ever had intimacy with males and very much liked anal intercourse, like sooo: divine it was, hey.

So there you have it. I was just hoping for her, she HAD in deed made the right decision with her SRS, as she also numerous times point out how much she disliked, abhorred women... her gg platonic friend was present. Poor girl.

You go figure this one out. Turn yourself physically into something you hate? Hello! Also didn't like breasts just to fill the measure.

It also is why I said in short: They ARE gay men, and after SRS, gay men with a vagina, YMMV.

Axelle

I don't care if a trans woman decides to act like she's being directed by Sasha Baron Cohen in full-on Brüno mode.  She isn't acting like a gay male, she's acting however she wants, and good for her.

If she self-identifies as female, then she's female.  Not a gay man in a woman's body.  This kind of language has been used to seriously insult, discriminate against, and deny the identity of trans women before; using it here, of all places, is retrograde engagement of both trans and gay erasure.

[Mahsa Tezani]

Here is an excerpt of my facebook status today:

I don't have a brother....don't know who that guy in Miami is who is using my bathroom to take pouty photos. But I hope his jock boyfriend slaps that bitch silly.
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[Mahsa Tezani]

That's why I created this thread. To see if there were any MTF's who act like gay men on Susan's who would be so kind enough as to answer the question. But once again, people get way off topic. Like anyone really cares about others fascinations with vulvas.

I act fabulous and do cosmetics. Does that count? 

[JenJen2011]

You don't seem to have gotten the point that you're perpetuating a malicious stereotype.  Butterflyhugs is being on topic and her comparison to the ways in which African Americans suffer from terrible prejudice based on stereotype is similar to the fashion in which you're othering gay men.

I don't care if a trans woman decides to act like she's being directed by Sasha Baron Cohen in full-on Brüno mode.  She isn't acting like a gay male, she's acting however she wants, and good for her.

If she self-identifies as female, then she's female.  Not a gay man in a woman's body.  This kind of language has been used to seriously insult, discriminate against, and deny the identity of trans women before; using it here, of all places, is retrograde engagement of both trans and gay erasure.

I never implied that ALL gay men act this way but the MAJORITY that I KNOW do act promiscuous so yes, I will compare the promiscuous MTF to them. How else do you think the stereotype came about? They didn't pull it out their asses. (No pun intended)

[Rabbit]

In deed in that case the person was presenting VERY gay-male sugar queen before and ONLY ever had intimacy with males and very much liked anal intercourse, like sooo: divine it was, hey.

When you don't have "other parts"... your only real option is from behind

I don't get it. Liking anal and only having intimacy with men makes you a gay guy? Woaa, I don't know how I'm going to break the bad news to my friend She has gone her entire life thinking she was female! She will be devistated!

[JenJen2011]

I act fabulous and do cosmetics. Does that count? 

Have you been to any gloryholes within the past week?

[Sarah Louise]

One word in the title of this thread says it all "SOME" and that is probably right, "Some" MtF's act gay. 

So What?

Is there something wrong with being Gay?

Is it Gay for a MtF who considers themself to be a woman to want a man?

Being promiscuous isn't owned by any one group, it seems that all groups of people have those who are promiscuous.

Lets end this ranting.  Lets conduct ourselves as reasonable adults in our comments.

[Rebekah with a K-A-H]

I never implied that ALL gay men act this way but the MAJORITY that I KNOW do act promiscuous so yes, I will compare the promiscuous MTF to them. How else do you think the stereotype came about? They didn't pull it out their ass. (No pun intended)

Know where it came from?  Because heteronormative privileged cis straight males decided that any display of gay sexuality was verboten, because it conflicted with what they thought was "natural" and "moral", heterosexuality.  Under this, any gay male who expressed anything about his sexuality was branded as a deviant—and public promiscuity, of course, was another deviance, so the two got lumped together.

Just because stereotypes don't imply that everyone follows them doesn't mean it doesn't harm the entire community one-dimensionalized in that way.  After all, it's no secret that in popular culture, transgender people are often stereotyped as "drag queens gone too far".  Should we condone that stereotype just because drag queens who later come out as trans exist?

My vote's on no, at least.

Lets end this ranting.  Lets conduct ourselves as reasonable adults in our comments.

I don't see where anyone's ranting.  We're having a civil discussion; that doesn't mean we're not allowed to disagree, even vehemently so.

[cynthialee]

When you don't have "other parts"... your only real option is from behind

I don't get it. Liking anal and only having intimacy with men makes you a gay guy? Woaa, I don't know how I'm going to break the bad news to my friend She has gone her entire life thinking she was female! She will be devistated!

LOL

Think I need to call my ex and let her know she needs to transition because she is really a male.

[Nurse With Wound]

One of the reason my mum think I can't be female is because I don't behave like an overtly flamboyant homosexual man. ;~;

[lilacwoman]

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the person is effeminate homosexual not TS.

[Jacelyn]

Lol you need to meet / chat with some more women In the 20-30 age range maybe.

I dated these women (including the mentally abnormal one who is under psychiatry care)  in my early years as a cis male, I certainly can understand their perception differences related to sex. Even in western culture, their women are not as open as men about sex. They will talk about the topic generally but not in details. Men like to explore in details, as if out of curiosity or in need of excitement, women avoid such exploration in details, they are satisfied knowing the general picture, and will be more concern about the emotional side than the act itself.

If we simply neutralize the differences between male and female perception, then how can one become a successful MTF, without knowing what to adapt to the culture of cis women, in such case, I assume that if one carried over previous male habitual consciousness, even though one dressed up as woman, and believe oneself is a woman, but one will easily act in manners contrary to what a cis woman will behave.

[Annah]

Even in western culture, their women are not as open as men about sex. They will talk about the topic generally but not in details. Men like to explore in details, as if out of curiosity or in need of excitement, women avoid such exploration in details, they are satisfied knowing the general picture, and will be more concern about the emotional side than the act itself.

If we simply neutralize the differences between male and female perception, then how can one become a successful MTF, without knowing what to adapt to the culture of cis women, in such case, I assume that if one carried over previous male habitual consciousness, even though one dressed up as woman, and believe oneself is a woman, but one will easily act in manners contrary to what a cis woman will behave.

I have to disagree with this!

I hang out cis girl friends of mine and trust me...when it comes to sex or talking about sex they are no different than the males. The only difference is many girls don't talk about it as much in front of guys like the guys do.

The times I went into an adult store was with cis girl friends of mine. We would also spend hours talking about boyfriends, sex, waxing, etc etc...mostly all tied to sex.

Now, I am not saying that what we only talked about but the things the cis girl friends and I talked about made me blush...and guys and sex chat never could accomplish that in me. Trust me, my girl friends do not avoid such explanations.

So I think it is misconceptions about sexual talk and openness relating to gender.

And Cis females don't all act the same either. Some are demure, some are adventures, others are sexually open, others are conservative in their sexuality. Others are femine, others are butch, etc etc.

[Jacelyn]

Wow, this is really sexist.  Like, blatantly so.

This stereotype hurts men and women.  See above!  Turns out female-identified people can like casual sex!  Imagine that.

You may want to reconsider making this unsound association with the word 'sexist' on anything related to male and female pschological differences, unless you wish to dismissed anything related to gender pschology and its biological relevance.

You may have to look up on the texts on the human brains, cognitive science, on the differences in development in the male and female sex center within the brain. The brain of the male is much larger than female, the portion responsible for sex function is larger and more developed in the male. This difference is expressed in their behaviour, male think about sex all the time, women simply don't.  It is being demonstrated that male response to sexual stimulus primary through visual excitement, but women relied on various senses more than visual.

Biologically, the instinct to multiple by intercourse with as many female as possible make men promiscuous, whereas to need to protect the offspring keep women from being unfaithful (from bringing other men into the competition). Women has no sexual thought unless being emotionally activated by the foreplay of the male, whereas male can immediate arose sexually and ready for intercourse on sight only, a biological requirement for reproduction.

These biological motivate behaviours are encoded within our genes, mental conditioning does not change this fact, as not anyone has such a duty to conditioning his/her mind to become 'non-sexist', also there is no such need to intentionally altered one's biological signal and the subsequent behaviour, unless one is attempting the transgender route and need to mold one's behaviour after the target's gender.

[Mahsa Tezani]

Have you been to any gloryholes within the past week?

I went to the Castro today... my jaw aches, my knees hurt, and my throat tastes like salty saliva.

But no gloryholes...

I got asked out by a straight guy.

[The Passage]

I would be more worried about catching a "bug" if I were her. She should be more careful!

[Mahsa Tezani]

I would be more worried about catching a "bug" if I were her. She should be more careful!

Me? Uhhh yeah, I was kidding. No guy in the Castro pays attention to me like that anymore...