Why do some MTF's act like gay men?

[eli77]

Plenty of trans women (of whatever orientation) have socialization that they learned when presenting as a guy. Is it so startling that that would persist post-transition?

I'm lucky in that I never really learned very much or very well. (Well lucky now, at the time it was pretty bad.) Others were better able to pick up the codes of behaviour for whatever reason. That can end up being a handicap. Or it can just be a variance of personality. Whichever.

Women has no sexual thought unless being emotionally activated by the foreplay of the male,

^^ Things that will not turn me on.

[Butterflyhugs]

You may want to reconsider making this unsound association with the word 'sexist' on anything related to male and female pschological differences, unless you wish to dismissed anything related to pschology and its biological relevence.

Spewing false hundred-year-old rhetoric about women being inherently passive and demure is sexist. That is a socially constructed value of "feminine" used to facilitate male dominance in patriarchal cultures.

Women has no sexual thought unless being emotionally activated by the foreplay of the male

Please stop making extremely ignorant generalizations about the sexual natures of all women. Your incorrect belief that a woman can only be "activated" for sex by first being coddled by a man literally belongs to a different era of history (back when women were still property and couldn't vote in the U.S.). That should clue you in on how wrong it is.

[Mahsa Tezani]

Met this guy I had known on fb for a year. We were talking...and he was like, "Girl, you're so crazy...I've seen you post on fb. You act like a gay man"

I was like, "Umm, you know I am trans?"

And he was like, "Wait, you got a penis?"

*showed him my boy photo*

He was like, "Thats you? Looks like your brother"

I was like, "Thats me"

He started whigging out and went, "Is this a joke? I've known you a year on fb and never thought you were remotely trans"

I was like, "I am.."

Then he said, "I thought you were just some ->-bleeped-<- hag that went too far or some crazy lesbian who was obsessed with gay men. I can normally spot transgenders and you look amazing"

[Rabbit]

I dated these women (including the mentally abnormal one who is under psychiatry care)  in my early years as a cis male,

Uhhhh.... what a girl is going to chat with about with the guy they are dating is VERY VERY VERY VERY different than what they are going to chat with to other girls.

In my "straight guy" world, guys would actually stay a bit far away from details. They weren't very open with what they liked sexually (unless it was "normal") and generally just avoided serious talks about sex at all (jokes about big boobs isn't talking about sex).

In contrast, as a "gay guy" or "trans whatever", when I chat with girls who have accepted me as "on their side", they go into a LOT more detail and aren't shy about saying what they like. Stories about sex are common and even chatting about some very private things (and insecurities! guys will rarely be so open about themselves as I have found women to be... even relative strangers confide in me some very personal things).

So, as a "cis male" dating girls... you are still very very on the "outside" of the female world.

You may have to look up on the texts on the human brains, cognitive science, on the differences in development in the male and female sex center within the brain.

Haha you aren't going to learn what women are really like by stuff like that LOL. If you go by that, then all women only want sex to reproduce or some crazy thing like that? haha, it is nice disney idea, but sooooooooo far removed from reality.

[Mahsa Tezani]

So, as a "cis male" dating girls... you are still very very on the "outside" of the female world.

I hung out with some straight guy who had the hots for me today. I told him I was a ts and he said, "We can hang out, we can get to know each other and be friends. But although you're extremely beautiful... I can't have sex with you. I've never had sex with someone who was born a man." I thought this guy was after my penis and was a ->-bleeped-<-. But he was another straight arrow.

But then he said he would continue supporting me and would be a fan of me. He also wants to stay in touch....but no sex.

[The Passage]

Me? Uhhh yeah, I was kidding. No guy in the Castro pays attention to me like that anymore...

Unless you're the woman being described in the OP, then I don't believe so, no. XD

I actually have to go to the Castro, or at least somewhere very near to the Castro, every time I go to Dimensions. Yeah... what an interesting day that always ends up to be! Last week was casual nudists. I'm fully expecting to see both casual nudists AND dancing nudists next week. *Prepares umbrella for departure*

[Mahsa Tezani]

Unless you're the woman being described in the OP, then I don't believe so, no. XD

I actually have to go to the Castro, or at least somewhere very near to the Castro, every time I go to Dimensions. Yeah... what an interesting day that always ends up to be! Last week was casual nudists. I'm fully expecting to see both casual nudists AND dancing nudists next week. *Prepares umbrella for departure*

They want to bone my old photos. God I got so much yogurt as a gay boy.

I miss those days. Every weekend was an orgy.

[The Passage]

They want to bone my old photos. God I got so much yogurt as a gay boy.

I miss those days. Every weekend was an orgy.

Wait, nudists do? Right... thanks for sharing!

[xxUltraModLadyxx]

They want to bone my old photos. God I got so much yogurt as a gay boy.

I miss those days. Every weekend was an orgy.

you get yogurt for being gay? is that dannon or yoplait?

[Sailor_Saturn]

You may want to reconsider making this unsound association with the word 'sexist' on anything related to male and female pschological differences, unless you wish to dismissed anything related to gender pschology and its biological relevance.

You may have to look up on the texts on the human brains, cognitive science, on the differences in development in the male and female sex center within the brain. The brain of the male is much larger than female, the portion responsible for sex function is larger and more developed in the male. This difference is expressed in their behaviour, male think about sex all the time, women simply don't.  It is being demonstrated that male response to sexual stimulus primary through visual excitement, but women relied on various senses more than visual.

Biologically, the instinct to multiple by intercourse with as many female as possible make men promiscuous, whereas to need to protect the offspring keep women from being unfaithful (from bringing other men into the competition). Women has no sexual thought unless being emotionally activated by the foreplay of the male, whereas male can immediate arose sexually and ready for intercourse on sight only, a biological requirement for reproduction.

These biological motivate behaviours are encoded within our genes, mental conditioning does not change this fact, as not anyone has such a duty to conditioning his/her mind to become 'non-sexist', also there is no such need to intentionally altered one's biological signal and the subsequent behaviour, unless one is attempting the transgender route and need to mold one's behaviour after the target's gender.

You're one step short of claiming that human behavior all boils down to "stimulus/programmed response" (if even a step away). We're not bacteria, dear. Genetics and chemistry alone do not dictate our behavior, though they are certainly relevant. We would exhibit differences in behavior exclusively attributable to our lineage if this were the way things worked. And this claim that women don't have sexual thoughts or experience arousal until manually stimulated? I recommend that you burn whatever textbook you found that in, because it's worthless except as a parody of a scientific text. Women are perfectly capable of becoming aroused without manual stimulation.

Reductionism can be quite helpful, but you and your sources are taking it WAYYYYY too far.

[Morrigan]

They want to bone my old photos. God I got so much yogurt as a gay boy.

I miss those days. Every weekend was an orgy.

even relative strangers confide in me some very personal things

I think this has been proven valid. A bit disturbing, perhaps.

What is this yogurt exactly? not my yummy strawberry yogurt I hope *noms*. I hear
yogurt is considered gay in the straight male world, glad I dodged that bullet.

[Mahsa Tezani]

I think this has been proven valid. A bit disturbing, perhaps.

What is this yogurt exactly? not my yummy strawberry yogurt I hope *noms*. I hear
yogurt is considered gay in the straight male world, glad I dodged that bullet.

Yeah... I love yogurt. It's an acquired taste.

I was gay from 14-25...so yeah

[Mahsa Tezani]

you get yogurt for being gay? is that dannon or yoplait?

I prefer filipino style yogurt on a nice longanisa.

[Michelle.]

I like me some Greek yog.... Uh, never mind.

[Mahsa Tezani]

I like me some Greek yog.... Uh, never mind.

The first time I had it was with a Puerto Rican.

[Jacelyn]

Spewing false hundred-year-old rhetoric about women being inherently passive and demure is sexist. That is a socially constructed value of "feminine" used to facilitate male dominance in patriarchal cultures.

I say nothing about women being inherently passive and demure in society, except sexually, thus your association of 'sexist' is out of line. Socially constructed value of "feminine"  does not facilitate male dominance, this is clearly demonstrated in today's feminist movement which not only accept their differences but as a reason to grant welfare benefits especially for women. Without biological distinctions and their recognition, these welfare will have no ground for justification.

Please stop making extremely ignorant generalizations about the sexual natures of all women. Your incorrect belief that a woman can only be "activated" for sex by first being coddled by a man literally belongs to a different era of history (back when women were still property and couldn't vote in the U.S.). That should clue you in on how wrong it is.

You are trying to contradict a well known biological fact that the majority of women from teen up to their late 20s are sexually immature, and have difficulty reaching organism. They become fully mature after 30 (especially after given birth) and able to enjoy sex thereafter.  Prior to that, all sex is only to for the sake of pride, and for showing off to peers with their partners (a need to be confirmed as an attractive women and that virginity is sign of unpopularity and so on, where in fact they don't really enjoy physcally apart from the feeling of intimacy as there is no guarantee of organism). Women are expert at pretending to enjoy sex, even by their making of the sound and so on. In other words, apparent biological differences exist in female and it is relative to their pschological behaviour (including the claims of enjoying sex, interested in sex, and so on, just to build up personal pride from a peer or a love-competitor rather than as a fact). Cis women univerally (majority) want love, and will associate sex with love, in order to gain love. So they will easily satisfied their need for love with one partner.  Cis men universally have no requirement for love when an attractive woman is presented in order to initiate intercourse. So there is no limitation with the number of partners if the opportunity allows.

[Morrigan]

I say nothing about women being inherently passive and demure in society, except sexually, thus your association of 'sexist' is out of line. Socially constructed value of "feminine"  does not facilitate male dominance, this is clearly demonstrated in today's feminist movement which not only accept their differences but as a reason to grant welfare benefits especially for women. Without biological distinctions and their recognition, these welfare will have no ground for justification.

You are trying to contradict a well known biological fact that the majority of women from teen up to their late 20s are sexually immature, and have difficulty reaching organism. They become fully mature after 30 (especially after given birth) and able to enjoy sex thereafter.  Prior to that, all sex is only to for the sake of pride, and for showing off to peers with their partners (a need to be confirmed as an attractive women and that virginity is sign of unpopularity and so on, where in fact they don't really enjoy physcally apart from the feeling of intimacy as there is no guarantee of organism). Women are expert at pretending to enjoy sex, even by their making of the sound and so on. In other words, apparent biological differences exist in female and it is relative to their pschological behaviour (including the claims of enjoying sex, interested in sex, and so on, just to build up personal pride from a peer or a love-competitor rather than as a fact). Cis women univerally (majority) want love, and will associate sex with love, in order to gain love. So they will easily satisfied their need for love with one partner.  Cis men universally have no requirement for love when an attractive woman is presented in order to initiate intercourse. So there is no limitation with the number of partners if the opportunity allows.

I take offense to nearly this whole post, but mostly the part about cis men. That is COMPLETELY untrue, people are not carbon copies, and you cannot label them as such. Thanks for ruining a thread that was just barely recovering from petty bickering once already.

[Jacelyn]

You're one step short of claiming that human behavior all boils down to "stimulus/programmed response" (if even a step away). We're not bacteria, dear. Genetics and chemistry alone do not dictate our behavior

Unfortunately it is a sad fact that mind is not over matter when it come to transforming our biological body to match our gender identity, that is the reason those within the transgender umbralla cannot escape GID without srs and ffs. It is affirmative that our biological appearance determined our pschological behaviour, and that the effect of the male's brain development by T leading to fully maturity of the sex center make them superior in sexual response, and allow them to take the lead over sexual activity. It is also a fact it is incredibly unfortunate to a woman who has a husband who cannot take the initiative in bed, as she will completely miss the feeling of being loved which is needed by typically all women.

[Jacelyn]

I take offense to nearly this whole post, but mostly the part about cis men. That is COMPLETELY untrue, people are not carbon copies, and you cannot label them as such. Thanks for ruining a thread that was just barely recovering from petty bickering once already.

Please understand the concept of majority versus special cases. The reason women fall for special men who would love them as one and only. Love does exist and it is required to be special.

[aphrodite]

not really sure, not that positive i've ever noticed it