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It IS an issue to women whether or not they are able to orgasm.
Yes, "sometimes" it doesn't matter if you orgasm or not, but it's not something
that all women think, nor do all men want to orgasm every time, sometimes guys
just want to be intimate too, orgasm being unnecessary.
Men have biological need for seminal release after a period of sexual abstinent,
and the pleasure is directly related to the presence of an attractive woman who
can excite him visually. This is the reason men like to masturbate by looking at
pronographic picture of such woman. The pleasure of the release is not as intense
and pleasant if visually there is absence of the attractive sexual object. Man
literally project all his emotion and energy into his member, and when these
accumulated emotion of lust/love explode in the release, the feeling is
uncomparable than by nature release without the emotional accumulation due to
visual excitation. Women don't have this biological need for sexual release and
the visual dependencies, and is contended to be on the receptor side of man's
sexual release (since he will project his love intensely in his own release), women
are sensitive to such momentary emotional release of men and can find
enjoyment in it physically and pschologically.
QuoteYes, it's a pretty big misconception that women have orgasms every time
from penetrative sex, but it's also a complete falsehood that the orgasm is a de-
facto "non issue" to all women.
It only become an issue when orgasm is completely impossible (thus indicating a
medical condition), but orgasm is not the primary objective of a woman having
sex. Of course a man who spend the time and effort to make her come would be
appreciated by her. The differences between male and female in this area is
distinctive, the occasional lack of orgasm in the female is not indication of
abnormality, but if a man in any occassion failed to orgasm, it immediately
implicate a medical condition.
Reference:
http://www.sogc.org/health/health-myths_e.asp"Many women enjoy the closeness and physical intimacy of sex and are satisfied
even if they do not, or do not always, have an orgasm."
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This is also true, and utterly and completely false.
What's true is that men do need intimacy, love, and security.
What's false is "entirely optional"...
... No...
Love isn't more sexually motivated in men than it is in women.
As stated men have biological need for seminal release, and the pleasure is
directed related to visual excitation that has nothing to do with intimacy, love,
and security from a stable relationship. Men do have emotional need for intimacy,
love, and security, but these have nothing to do with his sexuality expression and
receptivity.
Reference:
http://site.themarriagebed.com/physiology-of-the-male-sex-drive"Two glands, called the seminal vesicles, produce the majority of the fluid which
makes up semen. This fluid is stored in the seminal vesicles until an ejaculation is
about to occur. Think of the seminal vesicles as two small bladders; and like the
urinary bladder, they fill up. The fullness may or may not be noticeable as a slight
pressure inside the body (not the testes), but the body signals the brain that
release is needed. In a normal healthy man under 50, it takes 24 to 72 hours for
the vesicles to fill up. While not getting release doesn't result in damage to the
body, it can cause a sense of discomfort and make the fellow "grumpy." This is one
biological reason a man feels a regular need for release."
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/features/2010/1102/1224282474265.html"I don't think it is exactly earth shattering to discover that women are not as
interested in sex as men are. Libraries of scientific data exist confirming exactly
that. Men have a much stronger chemical response to sexual stimuli."
http://www.growthtrac.com/artman/publish/why-women-need-romance-463.php"An unknown portion of this romantic need in women is probably related to
genetic influences implemented by the hypothalamus region in the brain. Beyond
this, the characteristic features probably result from differences in early
experiences of girls and boys. The entire orientation for little girls in our society is
toward romantic excitement."
QuoteDid you just say that women don't care whether their partners are
physically attractive?
That they just enjoy being... well... used, by a man who's "nice"?
I mean...
"physical attraction" is not optional! If a woman is not physically/sexually
attracted to a guy she will not enjoy having sex with him.
I don't exclude physically attractiveness such as height, broad shoulders in the
male, but these are physical features are less critical in a woman's demand than in
the man's demand for the partner's physical attractiveness. The latter is due to the
male sexuality mechanism. Women can easily find financial security, positive /
pleasant character in the man as attractive feature for acceptance of the
relationship. Men don't really care about what job the woman has, her past and so
on, if she attracts him physically.
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Women derive pleasure from their own actions as well, not just being used as a
semen receptacle.
As mentioned the woman's sexual enjoyment is receptive, there is no object of
sexual attraction nor the requirement (she doesn't get arouse sexually by the
presence of the man, but get aroused after being touched, hearing his sweet voice,
smelling his scent and so on), the pleasure is her body's sensory perception and
emotional feeling in intimacy. Without the devise for immediate arousal, and
pleasure through physical moves, a woman is not sexually aggresive by biological
design. A man on the contrary, upon seeing an attractive woman, he can
immediately aroused (erected) and immediately be on top of her and derived
pleasure by the actions perform upon her with his body.
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Philosophy is the mother of science, it's the original science. The various sciences
we have today are derived from philosophy.
Not necessary, sometime friction novels and religious faiths can motivate
curiousity leading to scientific discovery. Scientific breakthrough and innovation
required doubts of existing theories and extensive brain-storming activities. There
is no conclusion in science, it is a never ending road of skeptism and complexity.
Complexity is in various data of elements that constitutes causes and results of
experiments and practical applications. There is no understanding of the general
philosophical picture underlying these various elements.
QuotePhilosophy was initially directed at asking "why" and "how" of things that
we had not asked these questions of before. Philosophy took the "simple" answer
of saying that the gods did it and made it complicated by trying to work out
things way beyond that.
Making things more complicated does not exclusively define what philosophy is.
Philosophy is aimed at understanding matters in logical coherant context,
whether it is to simplify the complex, or to proliferate the simple to inclusive its
fuller scope. But it doesn't lead to infinite, ungraspable complexity with an
unknown factors (doubts) as the case of scientific technicalities.
QuoteToday, science is what tries to understand what we can measure, count, etc,
etc, etc, while philosophy is left with the unanswerable questions, meaning that
science is simpler (deals with things we can reliably consider true) while
philosophy is more complicated (deals with no utter certainties what so ever).
This again is utter nonsense.
Depend on your philosophy, if yours has unanswerable questions, it is not logically
coherant with existing concepts, nor these concept are validly established. In other
words, you are still speculating a half truth and called it philosophy.
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You do realize that what you just said is terribly rude?
So anything in disagreement with your views is called rude. You merely expecting
an unconditional agreement, not intellectual discussion.
QuoteThe "simple binary gender mechanism" you've described is not a "universal
parameter" as it is;
- Not accurate nor real in any sense of the term.
Try to refute the biological and pschological distinctions first before rendered it
inaccurate.
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- Does not take into account the demonstrable fact that non-heterosexual couples
exist.
You are mistaken. Non-heterosexual couples also taken account here as male vs.
male, female vs. female combination, which is supported as variants (the four
alternative pairings of the gender binary) by the default gender binary of male
and female.
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- Does not take into account the demonstrable fact that women have a sense of
sexuality along with sexual attractions and sexual desires.
This is being taken into account as the receptive (female) mode of human sexual
response.
Quote- Does not take into account the demonstrable fact that majority of
women do desire the orgasm and will seek it.
It is being taken in account as having biological difficulty in comparison with the
male. And that such desire is not entirely relevent to lack of sexual satisfaction.
Quote- Does not take into account the demonstrable fact that transsexuals
exist.
Both MFT and FTM are taken into account as the two subjective variants within
the default binary gender (self identity as male or female).
Quote- Does not take into account the demonstrable fact that promiscuous
women exist.
As mentioned previously, the simple mentioned of the term 'women' refer to the
majority, but the usage does not exclude the existence of the special minority. But
minority cannot be taken as standard parameters for judgement which aimed at
universal consensus.
Quote- Does not take into account the demonstrable fact that strictly
monogamous men exist.
This has being taken into account as special cases. But the discussion is aimed at
revealing male's universal behaviourial pattern.
Quote- Does not take into account the demonstrable fact that not everyone are
born with standard external genitalia.
Abnormal physical development exists as biological variants which is also taken
into account.