The non op vs post op stuff has to stop.

[Korlee]

The problem is that your very words are insulting to post-ops and restating them in a thread meant to try and mend fences will not work.

Thing is?  I agree with most of your posts in the opening.  I'm not a nice person nor am I in a good mood soo... Ya, I don't want to be put under the same umbrella as the OP.  I really don't and wether you like it or not?  You make the boat for those of us trying to go the whole way a ->-bleeped-<- ton harder OP.

[Forever21Chic]

Well that depends on the woman.  Women come in all shapes and sizes, pretty, not so pretty.

This is true.

This is who was responsible for creating MAHSA:

  You looked like a girl even as a boy!   

[AbraCadabra]

Generally speaking people who call themselves women but love their penises do not help the plight of TS, society see's women with penises as chicks with dicks and the porn industry is filled with what they refer to as "She Males"; deviants who make money making porn.

There aren't many women who would want to be called that, and I certainly don't believe that women in society would believe that a woman can have a penis unless it was a freak of nature.  I think that if you went out and asked, the vast majority of men and women would say that women have vaginas not penises.

Well, Steph hit the nail on the head.
Wagging your dangle, declaring how much a great thing it is, and THEN expecting to be accepted a female will not even wash in the porn industry. There you a chick-with-a-dick, a ->-bleeped-<-, and good to serve some prevy cliental. Period.
Never mind post-ops would find this stance any more appealing.

IS THAT SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND? REALLY?

It just FEELS so wrong, and THAT - not only to post-ops.
You think a female born with an abnormality will keep rubbing it in, as some great thing to have, and bragging with it?!
It's something that some here just do not seem to get - ever.

You obviously can not FEEL it, so you do not UNDERSTAND it...

But there you go,
Axelle

[Steph]

Good night all have fun...

[Mahsa Tezani]

Well, Steph hit the nail on the head.
Wagging your dangle, declaring how much a great thing it is, and THEN expecting to be accepted a female will not even wash in the porn industry. There you a chick-with-a-dick, a ->-bleeped-<-, and good to serve some prevy cliental. Period.
Never mind post-ops would find this stance any more appealing.

IS THAT SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND? REALLY?

I showed up to meet a guy in SF and I was like, "You want my penis, right?" and he was like, 'what the hell are you talking about?" and then I explained to him what I was and he was like, "I was after your vagina...But not anymore since you don't have anyone"

[Rebekah with a K-A-H]

Well, Steph hit the nail on the head.
Wagging your dangle, declaring how much a great thing it is, and THEN expecting to be accepted a female will not even wash in the porn industry. There you a chick-with-a-dick, a ->-bleeped-<-, and good to serve some prevy cliental. Period.
Never mind post-ops would find this stance any more appealing.

IS THAT SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND? REALLY?

It just FEELS so wrong, and THAT - not only to post-ops.
You think a female born with an abnormality will keep rubbing it in, as some great thing to have, and bragging with it?!
It's something that some here just do not seem to get - ever.

You obviously can not FEEL it, so you do not UNDERSTAND it...

But there you go,
Axelle

That's mischaracterizing non-operative transsexuals in the extreme.

They're not "wagging their dangle", and even if they were, there wouldn't be anything wrong with it, because people are allowed to be proud of their genitals, and proud of their sexuality, and proud of their identity.  To suggest otherwise, that they should hide their genitalia because it offends some peoples' sensibilities, is slut-shaming.

I'm a pre-operative transsexual and I'm sexually active.  I'm not ashamed of that fact, and whether or not I choose to have sex right now is my business.  It's not an abnormality, it just is, and for others acceptant, satisfied or even happy with their genitalia, to call their genitalia abnormal is offensive.

I don't think my mentality is going to change through some magic nervous transduction from my vulva to my brain after SRS.

[Mahsa Tezani]

That's mischaracterizing non-operative transsexuals in the extreme.

They're not "wagging their dangle", and even if they were, there wouldn't be anything wrong with it, because people are allowed to be proud of their genitals, and proud of their sexuality, and proud of their identity.  To suggest otherwise, that they should hide their genitalia because it offends some peoples' sensibilities, is slut-shaming.

I'm a pre-operative transsexual and I'm sexually active.  I'm not ashamed of that fact, and whether or not I choose to have sex right now is my business.  It's not an abnormality, it just is, and for others acceptant, satisfied or even happy with their genitalia, to call their genitalia abnormal is offensive.

I don't think my mentality is going to change through some magic nervous transduction from my vulva to my brain after SRS.

+1

You just offended some people by being yourself. *slaps you on the wrist*

[AbraCadabra]

Clientele, as I said.

I had this situation in reverse on the The Reeperbahn in Hamburg some many years back.
I had compassion for the person, she also was an excellent stripper, and well presented - but a NO THANK YOU - for me (for paid intercourse in the back room to be more precise).
Yet of course NOT for her clientele, she told me as much, as much you told just now.

All it makes you, is some 'speciality' attraction to some folk - now what does that mean?

You go provide your own answer if you wish,
Axelle

[Rebekah with a K-A-H]

Clientele, as I said.

I had this situation in reverse on the The Reeperbahn in Hamburg some many years back.
I had compassion for the person, she also was an excellent stripper, and well presented - but a NO THANK YOU - for me (for paid intercourse in the back room to be more precise).
Yet of course NOT for her clientele, she told me as much, as much you told just now.

All it makes you, is some 'speciality' attraction to some folk - now what does that mean?

You go provide your own answer if you wish,
Axelle

Just because some people have kinks and fetishes that involve someone's genitalia doesn't mean that someone who doesn't want surgery can't completely validly identify however they want.

So what does it mean?  Pretty much nothing, actually.

[Mahsa Tezani]

Clientele, as I said.

I had this situation in reverse on the The Reeperbahn in Hamburg some many years back.
I had compassion for the person, she also was an excellent stripper, and well presented - but a NO THANK YOU - for me (for paid intercourse in the back room to be more precise).
Yet of course NOT for her clientele, she told me as much, as much you told just now.

All it makes you, is some 'speciality' attraction to some folk - now what does that mean?

You go provide your own answer if you wish,
Axelle

Cool story sis....

[Dinky_Di]

  uh.. no honey! That's just them going to the beach or pool! That's not flaunting their vaginas! That's what women wear silly!   Yes it makes us pre-ops jelous we can't but it not flaunting vaginas its flaunting hot bodys!

And no a non op that tucks is not contradictory, its not to imitate a vagina its to get a nice flat look! It just looks good in some outfits! Its not hiding the penis, there's no way to do that! Plus men hide their penis that's why they wear pants!

Not to imitate a vagina but get a flat look, common now isn't that flat look because that's what a vagina looks like under clothes - no bulges.

Yes men wear pants but they don't tuck to 'get a nice flat look'.  All the men I know couldn't give two hoots if there is a bulge, infact most want to project a bulge as it's a sign of malemess.

[Joeyboo~ :3]

common now isn't that flat look because that's what a vagina looks like under clothes - no bulges.

fat vaginas.
they exist.

[Annah]

Well, Steph hit the nail on the head.
Wagging your dangle, declaring how much a great thing it is, and THEN expecting to be accepted a female

yeah, because you know all non ops and pre ops do that. 

It just FEELS so wrong, and THAT - not only to post-ops.

You are not in an authority to declare what feels right and what feels wrong for other people. You can only say what is right and wrong for you. Do not impose that morality on others.

You think a female born with an abnormality will keep rubbing it in, as some great thing to have, and bragging with it?!

Intersex people have a complete authority on to know what an abnormality is. So are the blind and the deaf.  So many of them are proud of their bodies and they are an encouragement to others. You would learn well to understand not everyone born with an abnormality is ashamed of their bodies or what life dealt to them.

People respect and understand that there are trans girls who absolutely need the surgery. That same consideration should be met on all spectrum.

[Dinky_Di]

common now isn't that flat look because that's what a vagina looks like under clothes - no bulges.

fat vaginas.
they exist.

That they do but it still looks very different to a bulge.

[Keaira]

Wow! United much?

Do the Boys fight like this? Holy $&:%..
First of all, let me get this out in the open since we are all sharing.
I'm non-op but that's because I'm not trying to get a man, my family is more important to me than this thing between my legs and that situation changes, then I might start saving for SRS. But I WILL NOT Judge wether my Sisters are invalid because they chose not to have SRS. Wether it be they are happy with their Disco Stick or can't have SRS for medical reasons or you don't like the risks, I will not make someone feel inferior because of it. It's bad enough the ignorant people who think we are all a bunch of sissies, men in dresses, etc. Without my Sisters doing that to me. I mean how are we going to get basic rights if we can't even be unified among ourselves?
If you have SRS, great. But don't ever forget your roots and where you came from. We come from every walk of life and you should appreciate that your Sister didn't commit suicide and has the conviction to carry on without SRS. Let's face it, once you are Post-Op, life gets a little easier. Your are free to marry and be a wife if you choose to. In the eyes of the law, you are a woman and judged as such.

So can we please just get along? I've not seen the guys posting anything that says " you ain't no man unless you have a dick!"

Have a nice day! Sheesh!

[Dorothy]

Calling yourself a "woman" with a penis is a delusion, but hey people can call themselves whatever they want.  Just don't expect the world to accept your definition of "woman".    Women don't have penises, only men do. 

Also by claiming publicly that you enjoy your penis, you're jeopardizing the lives of true transsexuals (those who really need surgery, those for whom surgery is a matter of life and death) 

You claim our birth condition, then you post that since surgery isn't important to you, it must not be for anyone with true transsexualism. That is not just offensive, it already has put GRS, a lifesaving treatment for actual sufferers of true transsexualism at risk. That's reality.

& then you wonder why post-ops and true transsexuals oppose you?  seriously, what planet are you people from anyway?

[Joeyboo~ :3]

Oh lord Jesus.

[Jen-Jen]

common now isn't that flat look because that's what a vagina looks like under clothes - no bulges.

fat vaginas.
they exist.

Joey, your awesome!  I love you! I couldn't breathe I laughed so hard when I read this!

Not to imitate a vagina but get a flat look, common now isn't that flat look because that's what a vagina looks like under clothes - no bulges.

Yes men wear pants but they don't tuck to 'get a nice flat look'.  All the men I know couldn't give two hoots if there is a bulge, infact most want to project a bulge as it's a sign of malemess.

like Joey said! Yes all men you know couldnt give a hoot, duh! Their men! I'm not!

That's mischaracterizing non-operative transsexuals in the extreme.

They're not "wagging their dangle", and even if they were, there wouldn't be anything wrong with it, because people are allowed to be proud of their genitals, and proud of their sexuality, and proud of their identity.  To suggest otherwise, that they should hide their genitalia because it offends some peoples' sensibilities, is slut-shaming.

I'm a pre-operative transsexual and I'm sexually active.  I'm not ashamed of that fact, and whether or not I choose to have sex right now is my business.  It's not an abnormality, it just is, and for others acceptant, satisfied or even happy with their genitalia, to call their genitalia abnormal is offensive.

I don't think my mentality is going to change through some magic nervous transduction from my vulva to my brain after SRS.

+1 totally agree

[Joeyboo~ :3]

Joey, your awesome!  I love you! I couldn't breathe I laughed so hard when I read this!

<3 !

[Mahsa Tezani]

& then you wonder why post-ops and true transsexuals oppose you?  seriously, what planet are you people from anyway?

Last I checked, I was down to Earth.

I am sure people who hate transsexuals wonder what planet you're from or what species "It"(you) is. How does that feel?

A community divided against itself will not stand.

But if the true transsexual community is filled with people like you... I am so not gonna join. I am gonna have my cool party elsewhere... You know and give you fake directions to it.