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Homosexual Transsexual/Transgender Theory?

Started by MsDazzler, November 16, 2011, 10:09:34 PM

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cynthialee

The ->-bleeped-<- theory is easily shot down.

Do any GG's enjoy dressing up sexy and get aroused by that?
Do any GG's enjoy functioning sexualy in a female capacity?
Do any GG's get aroused at the thought of dressing up sexy or seeing herself involved sexualy in a female way?

Do any men get aroused at thinking about themselves sexualy functioning in a male capacity?
Do any men get turned on by functioning sexually in a male fashion?
Do any men get aroused of thinking about themselves as virile and strong?

These answers are yes.

This alone kills the ->-bleeped-<- theory right there and I do not even have a degree in Psych. So if a layman can shoot this theory down so easily...the bucket has a hole and won't carry watter.
So it is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you can win a hundred battles without a single loss.
If you only know yourself, but not your opponent, you may win or may lose.
If you know neither yourself nor your enemy, you will always endanger yourself.
Sun Tsu 'The art of War'
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mixie

I'm participating in a thread where a few people have stated that giving hormone blockers to young children is child abuse.  If any of you more experty people would like to chime in, please do.

:angel:


http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=7365154#post7365154
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pretty

Honestly I just wish people didn't talk about their underwear so often. It kinda grosses me out.
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Sweet Blue Girl

I think we are the apple tha falled on Blanchar's head, it's just that he, differently from Newton, tried to hide it under some bushes.

I think we must not prove anything to anyone,  being who we are is an emotional condition derived from genes.
I tried too hard to identify as anyone else than me to not know that i can only be female.

The autoginephilia thing is partially true but in a total different way.

We feel woman much before we can feel any sexual emotion, so our feelings toward gender do not derive by sexual desires. But of course I feel autoginephiliac sometime, cause, being an etherosexul woman, normally I feel desire for male genitalia, but unluckily I have one!  and it really kills me in pain. The sensation is enough to choose srs, women before this solution was avaiable used to remove the genitalia and throw them at a door. And the bearer was considered lucky and haled the new woman born. This was in roman empire, then the dark time of cattholics came and changed: we are still considered somehow dirty by media, just sexual objects.
But luckily real science is helping to promote a new society acceptance and even the church has new opinions.
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_Mango_


Okay, admittedly, I skimmed through... because I am ADHD and non medicated. But let me put in my nickel of opinion.

I, for one, believe sexuality and gender identity are NOT always necessarily linked or developed as a package deal for everyone. I believe that although a person may self identify as the opposite gender, that their sexuality develops at right before puberty. and matures thru it...  I will have to admit the prospect of sex with boys did not appeal to me when I was growing up... Infact sex did not appeal whatsoever... I never wanted to try it...... I self identified as a "baby boy" to my parents as a 3-4yr old... they thought it was a phase. As puberty started, I actually was attracted to both females and males, but did not assert the concept of sexual intercourse, because mostly my body mismatch.... duh! So I went thru elementary school, junior high, and then sophmore year I finally dated a guy. He was sort of effeminate yet masculine at the same time. I did not end up going beyond kissing him and thought about oral sex with him, but chickened out on voicing that thought... then after 6months or so his hands got curious, I admitted to him that I could not go on because I was not emotionally ready for sex. So we amicably split.) This is about the time when I met my first admitted gay man. I found myself attracted heavily to him. Again, since I felt dysphoria about my gender, all I could think of was oral sex with him........ But he looked at me and saw a girl. So nothing happened. About a year later I learned about transgenders and GID and I was like OMG! because I never wanted to do anything with my body involved, but I did want other's bodies......... by now admittedly male. (I outgrew thoughts of women that way as soon as I discovered sex could be performed orally..  I imagine a vag and was like NOOOO! I dont even like having one, lol) But the gay man, after I admitted my "self" didn't really understand it, so he was like omg whatever and he went and got a CIS bf. My heart was broken......... and I soon shut that identity back into the closet... When I was 18 1/2 and out of school I dated a heterosexual man, and just have been ever since.. Its how it is.. *sigh* My sexual fantasies about having man parts and doing man things to men have come almost somewhat true with hetero men, but its just not the same. Even gayish straight guys don't feel right to me... lol. I want my correct gender with my sexual preference.. THen I will be happy... I have known since 3 or 4 that I was a boy... and 15 that I was a gay boy. But here I am, almost 30... living and dealing with the parts genetics assigned my body to be...... Its not the same for all I am sure, but that is how I became who I identify as today... I don't nor ever have even enjoyed masturbation because..... yeah, where is my PENIS?!
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Jen61

Quote from: cynthialee on November 18, 2011, 03:14:47 PM
The ->-bleeped-<- theory is easily shot down.

Do any GG's enjoy dressing up sexy and get aroused by that?
Do any GG's enjoy functioning sexualy in a female capacity?
Do any GG's get aroused at the thought of dressing up sexy or seeing herself involved sexualy in a female way?

Do any men get aroused at thinking about themselves sexualy functioning in a male capacity?
Do any men get turned on by functioning sexually in a male fashion?
Do any men get aroused of thinking about themselves as virile and strong?

These answers are yes.

This alone kills the ->-bleeped-<- theory right there and I do not even have a degree in Psych. So if a layman can shoot this theory down so easily...the bucket has a hole and won't carry watter.

You are Herby award the degree of "Psychiatrist Honoris Causis" by the University of Susan
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Anatta

Quote from: Jen61 on November 18, 2011, 01:58:39 PM
Thee Homosexual/transsexual/transgender theory is not a theory at all, but an hypothesis based on self reports and poorly interpreted data. This nonsensically hypothesis was  put forward by a minority group of psychiatrists, Dr Lawrence (a psychiatrist) is in that minority group.

Most psychiatrists do not agree with Blanchard et.all hypothesis. It is a shame that they have the power to influence the DSM. We had had some other threads discussing this BS before.

My advice, ignore it.


Kia Ora Jen,

::) What other threads and how long ago ? Can you post a link to some of them please.....

Metta Zenda :)
"The most essential method which includes all other methods is beholding the mind. The mind is the root from which all things grow. If you can understand the mind, everything else is included !"   :icon_yes:
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Jen61

Quote from: Zenda on November 18, 2011, 06:34:21 PM
Kia Ora Jen,

::) What other threads and how long ago ? Can you post a link to some of them please.....

Metta Zenda :)

Dear Zenda,

If you type "Blanchard" at the search box, you will get 7 or pages with over 200 threads.

Good luck,
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Anatta

Quote from: Jen61 on November 18, 2011, 06:54:53 PM
Dear Zenda,

If you type "Blanchard" at the search box, you will get 7 or pages with over 200 threads.

Good luck,
Kia Ora Jen,

::) Thanks for that I'll check some of them out.....

Metta Zenda :)
"The most essential method which includes all other methods is beholding the mind. The mind is the root from which all things grow. If you can understand the mind, everything else is included !"   :icon_yes:
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cynthialee

Granted we have hashed this out for ages but the newbies haven't.

You can't expect them to keep thier questions to themselves.

This is why we are here. To answer the same questions 20 times over.
It comes with the territory.

:)
So it is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you can win a hundred battles without a single loss.
If you only know yourself, but not your opponent, you may win or may lose.
If you know neither yourself nor your enemy, you will always endanger yourself.
Sun Tsu 'The art of War'
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Mahsa Tezani

Quote from: kelly_aus on November 17, 2011, 04:15:29 AM
Apart from the fact that it's a discredited theory..

I knew I was a girl/woman from the age of 12.. I became a gay guy simply because I thought it would enable me to 'fit in' somewhere, due to my quite feminine nature.. It seemed a great way to hide.. However, several of my former partners have all informed me that they knew what I really was, even if I wasn't ready/willing to admit it..

And now i know why people always said Chris had a "girlfriend with a little something big down there". All the gay dudes thought I was hot, but weren't into me long term due to my femininity.
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Mahsa Tezani

Quote from: Emelye on November 18, 2011, 02:25:15 PM
I think the Blanchard/Bailey/Lawrence theory of  ->-bleeped-<- is neo-freudian claptrap.  It reduces complex and partially unmeasurable sources of motivation into a sexual one.  That alone should make it obviously inaccurate.

Of course there are numerous other reasons why it's BS but I think this is the main one.

Well aren't a lot of ->-bleeped-<-'s crossdressers before? I mean there has to be something there...
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Anatta

Quote from: Elle Le Interdit on November 18, 2011, 09:41:44 PM
Well aren't a lot of ->-bleeped-<-'s crossdressers before? I mean there has to be something there...

Kia Ora Elle,

::) How come they gave you a watch, is it a rollex or timex ?

Metta Zenda :)
"The most essential method which includes all other methods is beholding the mind. The mind is the root from which all things grow. If you can understand the mind, everything else is included !"   :icon_yes:
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eli77

Quote from: Elle Le Interdit on November 18, 2011, 09:41:44 PM
Well aren't a lot of ->-bleeped-<-'s crossdressers before? I mean there has to be something there...

Maybe, but I wasn't. The first time I wore a piece of clothing from the women's section of a store was the day after I went full time. And that really is the problem with the theory, not that it can't have something to say on some level, but that it makes a whole chunk of people who don't fit the model invisible because it claims to explain everyone.

Quote from: Elle Le Interdit on November 18, 2011, 09:39:59 PM
And now i know why people always said Chris had a "girlfriend with a little something big down there". All the gay dudes thought I was hot, but weren't into me long term due to my femininity.

All straight folks thought I was gay, but gay guys never did... I think there is something a bit different in how male femininity and femaleness appear, enough that people who are around gender non-conforming folks a lot are able to pick up on it.
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Mahsa Tezani

Quote from: Sarah7 on November 18, 2011, 11:31:53 PM


All straight folks thought I was gay, but gay guys never did... I think there is something a bit different in how male femininity and femaleness appear, enough that people who are around gender non-conforming folks a lot are able to pick up on it.

Straight guys thought I was gay and gay dudes thought I was gayer. Every gay customer I had at my job at the time tipped me or asked me for my number.

But a lot of my ex's thought there was something up and that my flaming gay thing was an act.
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spacial

Quote from: mixie on November 18, 2011, 03:35:26 PM
I'm participating in a thread where a few people have stated that giving hormone blockers to young children is child abuse.  If any of you more experty people would like to chime in, please do.

:angel:


http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=7365154#post7365154

Went there, but was unable to read any of it, as I'm not registered.

I registered, but sadly, the mods need to approve it.

I tried, Perhaps they don't like anyone to know what they are saying.
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mixie

Hmm,  it shouldn't be that hard to register.  I do hope people come.  I want to post a thread about Transgender Rememberance Day tomorrow.

What pisses me off is that the bigots try to come across as if they are not bigots.   I've been accused of being "intolerant of their views" by saying they are bigots.   I've posted that intolerance of bigotry is not another version of bigotry but I've been asked to cool down a bit.

It really pisses me off that this one chick refuses to call Chaz a he.   No matter the logic,  I've pointed out that "he and she" are gender markers and social constructs, not biological identifiers but alas.

Anyway I don't want to rock the boat or unleash a sea of mess over there, but one of the moms posting has a child who is receiving hormone therapy for a gender related issue and I'd like her daughter to see support for people who have gone through it.

I didn't post a link here because people have pix over here and I don't want the bigots to come looking.

Most people though are really friendly and I think it would be interesting and eye opening for them to realize that real people can be transgender, that it's not as rare as people might believe.

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Mahsa Tezani

Quote from: Mahsa the disco shark on November 19, 2011, 02:08:54 AM
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But a lot of my ex's thought there was something up and that my flaming gay thing was an act.

You know that's a lie. You flame more than Chad, Leo, or CJ ever did.
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Sweet Blue Girl

I don't get the whole point.
If someone searchs for support  has to search supporting sites not  bigot ones.

Anyway bigot people are few, at least in italy, they just have a loud voice in the medias, but that's all.

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MsDazzler

Wow, a lot of well-informed and enlightening posts here... I agree and disagree with so many points that I do not know where to begin, lol.

I wonder if a research study was to be conducted worldwide, how many transgender people were either heterosexual or homosexual prior to transitioning - what answer would we find? I probably infer that the answer would be a lot more heterosexual, since homosexuals is already a minority?
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