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Were/are you somewhat Androgynous prior to HRT ?

Started by Anatta, November 12, 2011, 12:18:21 AM

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Anatta



Kia Ora,

::) There's been a lot of threads going on about ones looks...So this is no different[Well it is, it's looking at it from a slightly different angle]

::) For some trans-women Mother Nature has been kind and bless us with prominent androgynous features all over including height, which gives HRT a good canvas to work on...For some She only had time to do their facial features, and left them with obviously masculine body bone structure, and for others She did their body bone structure but  left their face with predominate masculine features...

::) Humans according to some are all androgynous, however some so it would seem are 'more' androgynous than others...

Where do you think you sit on the androgynous front ?

::) Thanks to Mother Nature HRT can at times work wonders..........Not miracles ! The miracle department  Mother Nature has left the plastic surgeons in charge...

Metta Zenda :)
"The most essential method which includes all other methods is beholding the mind. The mind is the root from which all things grow. If you can understand the mind, everything else is included !"   :icon_yes:
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Joeyboo~ :3

Look at my avatar :P

I don't have many pics of me post-HRT.
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Mahsa Tezani

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Joeyboo~ :3

My mom wants me to get famous so i can get noticed for my looks.

She's more shallow than I am.
I mean, I did come out of her so its fair for her to have expectations.
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Mahsa Tezani

Quote from: JoeyD on November 12, 2011, 02:37:59 AM
My mom wants me to get famous so i can get noticed for my looks.

She's more shallow than I am.
I mean, I did come out of her so its fair for her to have expectations.

My Mom wanted me to go work at this trans bar, but my boyfriend said, HELL NO!
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Forever21Chic

Quote from: JoeyD on November 12, 2011, 02:37:59 AM
My mom wants me to get famous so i can get noticed for my looks.

   I can def see you being famous in the near future, like part lady gaga part katy perry!   :laugh:


    @ zenda holy smile's batman! *rubs eyes* xD
 
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ZeldaHeart

Yeah, very androgynous.  When I had long hair (between the ages of 14-17) people thought I was a girl more often than boy.  After getting it cut off for my sister's wedding and having crappy skin and no makeup, not so much :(  HRT was like a miracle drug or something.  After 6 months, I was getting told that I'm in the wrong bathroom and all of that stuff.

And Mahsa you look, well, sort of like a lesbian in that old picture.  Were you ever mistaken for one?

Eve, you weren't really androgynous, but had a distinct style for a boy. 
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Julo

I am a little androgynous in looks and behaviour. But it was easier when I was younger. Until 25 I was a real babyface. Had very minimal facial or body hair. Was sometimes seen as female and was not very male acting. (lived in a womens only collective before transitioning...)
And than getting a bit older, now soon 31, some changes happened and I felt that my features got more masculine. Now 2 years with hrt and unfortunately not much effect even if the hormone levels are where they should be. So I still look like a androgynous 20 years old boy. (I have had to show my id twice last year when buying beer and that has a 18 years limit in my country....)
I had hoped that hrt would do more since I am androgynous by my nature, just not a andro male. And now I keep struggling a bit because passing is of course important but at the same time I feel it is very important not to loose myself. Transitioning has actually made it even more clear to me that I have an androgynous identity, but as a woman. I know this is asking a lot from other people since it is so much easier to accept a more female appearance as a female but I do not feel at home in that in everyday life. But the friends I have are mostly tomboy lesbians and queers so in that community existing is no problem. My girl friend is a man hating lesbian with a penis phobia and we have been together for 5 years.
Luckily GRS is finally approaching since it is very important to me.
Ok I´ll stop talking about myself now...

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eli77

Very. When I was little nobody seemed to care how "off" I was, but high school and university were intensely unpleasant. And having to tell people who think you are a girl that you're actually a guy, when really you are a girl... bleh. At least I got to hear all kinds of interesting permutations of my name as people misheard it cause it didn't match to my appearance. My favourite was Camilla - only one letter the same - though Nora was the most common.

It was more than just appearance too: I still have leftover anxiety issues with phones 'cause my voice never dropped properly - it cracked and stuff... and then went back to how it was before, so I got gendered female all the time on the phone which was stressful at the time. And in school my well-meaning friends tried to show me how blokes are supposed to sit, walk, gesture, etc., but it never stuck.

I'm 6' tall with an extremely fragile-looking frame, thin shoulders, ordinary hip:waist ratio for a woman, marginal boobs, cute butt, disproportionately more leg than torso, no hair on back/chest, long neck, high cheekbones, full lips, big green eyes, dead pale skin, and dark blonde hair. I tend to get described as ethereal and slender, or frail and skinny, depending on whether the person likes me or not. I stopped being able to pass as a guy 5 months into HRT (I started at 26).

I wonder sometimes if transsexualism affects more than just the brain. So many of us seem to have randomly feminine features of one kind or another. Or maybe the more masculine trans girls just have a higher suicide rate.
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Anatta

Kia Ora and Thanks for the responses so far....

::) It would seem at a young age many males are somewhat androgynous looking to begin with however for many as they get older their androgynous feature seem to morph into more masculine features bone structure, body and facial hair deepening of the voice etc, etc...

::) However there are exception to this rule, some of us carry the[whole package] androgynous look well into adulthood and for those of us who transition late in life[over 40-I transitioned in my mid forties], the result of HRT are just as good as if we were to have transitioned in our early teens[providing that is our body bone and facial structure are still fine-I'm 160cm tall, thin-boned, 58-60 kgs] ...But then I should also add for many 'late' late transitioners[the 60+ers] their androgynous feature are re-ignited so to speak as they mature='recycled', hence why many late transitioners on HRT blend in quite well without the need for facial surgery...So NEVER say NEVER...

::) A social worker/clinical psychologist who I saw prior to being selected for government funded surgery asked if I had had facial surgery and a boob job...She was shocked to find out I had not  :icon_yikes: ...It's quite interesting how some people take it for granted that if a trans-person physically looks the part they must have had some kind of surgery...

::) As the old 'metric' saying goes "YKMV"... So even if you don't think you're very androgynous or getting on in age, give HRT a chance to work its wonders...YOU WON"T KNOW UNTIL YOU TRY!

Metta Zenda :) 
"The most essential method which includes all other methods is beholding the mind. The mind is the root from which all things grow. If you can understand the mind, everything else is included !"   :icon_yes:
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supremecatoverlord

I'd say I was, but I'm FTM. It could've been more of the way I dressed more than anything else though.
Meow.



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Mahsa Tezani

Quote from: ZeldaHeart on November 12, 2011, 03:28:06 AM


And Mahsa you look, well, sort of like a lesbian in that old picture.  Were you ever mistaken for one?


All the time.
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Anatta

Quote from: JasonRX on November 12, 2011, 03:07:17 PM
I'd say I was, but I'm FTM. It could've been more of the way I dressed more than anything else though.

Kia Ora Jason[ nice name, that's one of my son's names]

::) From what I gather T is a very powerful transformer, more so than E...Even though for the F2M being androgynous to begin with does help, it would seem T really does work wonders even for those who weren't...

Metta Zenda :)
"The most essential method which includes all other methods is beholding the mind. The mind is the root from which all things grow. If you can understand the mind, everything else is included !"   :icon_yes:
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Anatta

Quote from: Julo on November 12, 2011, 03:53:48 AM
I am a little androgynous in looks and behaviour. But it was easier when I was younger. Until 25 I was a real babyface. Had very minimal facial or body hair. Was sometimes seen as female and was not very male acting. (lived in a womens only collective before transitioning...)
And than getting a bit older, now soon 31, some changes happened and I felt that my features got more masculine. Now 2 years with hrt and unfortunately not much effect even if the hormone levels are where they should be. So I still look like a androgynous 20 years old boy. (I have had to show my id twice last year when buying beer and that has a 18 years limit in my country....)
I had hoped that hrt would do more since I am androgynous by my nature, just not a andro male. And now I keep struggling a bit because passing is of course important but at the same time I feel it is very important not to loose myself. Transitioning has actually made it even more clear to me that I have an androgynous identity, but as a woman. I know this is asking a lot from other people since it is so much easier to accept a more female appearance as a female but I do not feel at home in that in everyday life. But the friends I have are mostly tomboy lesbians and queers so in that community existing is no problem. My girl friend is a man hating lesbian with a penis phobia and we have been together for 5 years.
Luckily GRS is finally approaching since it is very important to me.
Ok I´ll stop talking about myself now...

Kia Ora Julo,

::) Your situation is interesting... So would you call yourself a M2A but with more female traits and appearance?

Metta Zenda :)
"The most essential method which includes all other methods is beholding the mind. The mind is the root from which all things grow. If you can understand the mind, everything else is included !"   :icon_yes:
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Julo

Yeas I guess I could be called M2A. Since I am queer in my view on gender it all feels like constructions and I have hard time truly identifying with anything. (don´t be offended anyone, I fully support any identity which you feel good in! ...except maybe the macho male ones)
I strongly and only identify with female bodies and I really don´t understand being male. Sometimes I really think it´s a bitch because passing becomes very difficult. A more feminine look would be easier in this world.
/J
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supremecatoverlord

Quote from: Zenda on November 12, 2011, 03:25:27 PM
Kia Ora Jason[ nice name, that's one of my son's names]

::) From what I gather T is a very powerful transformer, more so than E...Even though for the F2M being androgynous to begin with does help, it would seem T really does work wonders even for those who weren't...

Metta Zenda :)

No doubt. For a long time, I dressed myself in a really adrogynous sort of fashion though which allowed me to continually be read as either male or female. Oddly, I feel like a lot more people were attracted to me then, though I have no idea why. :] Just thought I'd mention that people read me as either or for a really long time, especially when I went to extreme lengths to hide the my feminine eyes.
Meow.



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Anatta

Quote from: JasonRX on November 13, 2011, 11:08:58 AM
No doubt. For a long time, I dressed myself in a really adrogynous sort of fashion though which allowed me to continually be read as either male or female. Oddly, I feel like a lot more people were attracted to me then, though I have no idea why. :] Just thought I'd mention that people read me as either or for a really long time, especially when I went to extreme lengths to hide the my feminine eyes.

Kia Ora Jason,

::) It funny you should mention this, I found the same when I was in the androgynous stage of my transition,[that is I had started HRT which was gradually producing more  and more feminine characteristics]  both males and females paid me attention equally....The males being drawn subconsciously to both the female and male aspects of my being[possible deep inner bi-sexual desires] and the same for the females...

At one stage I had people saying I looked like Micheal Jackson after he had plastic surgery [but before it all went haywire]-he had that androgynous attractiveness about him...

::) I know at times when I see some trans-people at the androgynous stage of their journey there's that  attractiveness about them-which make me wonder why they don't just stay there and enjoy the best of both worlds, but then I remember my desire to continue on...

Metta Zenda :) 
"The most essential method which includes all other methods is beholding the mind. The mind is the root from which all things grow. If you can understand the mind, everything else is included !"   :icon_yes:
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jsorter

I'm not andro at all. I was a "macho tough" guy mainly because I don't have the money for a more andro look during the in betwen stages of transition.
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