The Moon Landing(s) are a Fraud

[Devlyn]

@ Sandy, I never thought pulling Darklady out from under a pigpile of mean spirited people was all that much fun. Hugs, Tracey

[Pica Pica]

connaissance sans frontiers.

[Princess of Hearts]

I think that this thread has run its course.   Somebody yesterday got very upset indeed by this thread.   I hope that the moderators haven't punished her for her outburst?     I have known about this business for about three years and I had my suspicions before then.    It is easy for me to forget just how shocking this can be and especially so to people who have a deep-seated psychological need to believe in the goodness and sanctity of their government.    You would need  to be a Green Beret, or a Navy Seal to have withstood this.
I understand that humour and gentle mocking are healthy attempts at coping with an near intolerable revelation.


We here in Europe have been increasingly suspicious of the federal government since the days of Reagan, so this revelation while still shocking it is not paralysing like it would be for many Americans.

[tekla]

I think she's smarter than this.

Oddly enough I think the same thing about religion all the time.  Where - by the way - people believe claims much, much, much more extraordinary with far, far, far, far less proof.  So, its' OK to try to butter me up and get me to somehow believe that GOD - the lord high maker and ruler of the entire universe through all time and space - came to earth, as a human, showed up in a backwash, continually troubled province of the Roman Empire back 'bout 2,000 years ago now, where he was executed as a common criminal after enjoying his earth-bound life as a carpenter.  And that's OK, because if he was not executed I'd still suffer from original sin and be punished with eternal hell fire (mostly for masturbating and having sex) because some girl ate some apple or something, and by dying in a most horrible way we were freed from sin forever, but not from the need to masturbate.  Which apparently you still shouldn't do, and can still get sent to hell for. 

And you want me to believe that, but entertaining the notion that the government of the United States participated in some huge hoax^* (we're still holding the weekly "Republican Primary" debates aren't we?  7 people who should never be President pretending to run for the office?) while lying like a rug (yeah, no basis to ever think that) just to score a PR coup is somehow beyond the bounds of reason.

Yeah.  About that... 

There is nothing amazing in most conspiracy theories, indeed they often offer an explanation that seems much easier on the surface to believe than the commonly accepted facts: in this case that the same nation that created the Tea Party and seeming fights against science at every turn, particularly in the educational system, could have ever done anything as scientifically-based as put a man on the moon.  It's much easier, more convenient, far more apparent (and a hella lot cheaper too), and far easier to control if we just did it on TV (we are the TVNation after all) and just try to pass it off as fact, which was not that hard as most people were already believing that.   




Wehrner became member of the Schuts Staffel as Sturmbahnfurher purely to get funding for his research.
No excuse.


* - not to put too fine a point on it, but this December 24, at some point in the evening (most likely chosen to be the right time in the Eastern Time Zone) NORAD, the US's first-line defense against rocket-based nuclear war, will announce they have spotted Santa Claus.  I love this moment in the holidays more than any other moment.  Really.  I do. 

[Devlyn]

Tekla, you hit it right on the head with the NORAD thing, that's my favourite, too. Followed by the local police radios broadcasting reports of a man in a red and white suit, 5'2" 380 lbs breaking into houses through the chimney. Followed by the conspiracy people announcing the fat man, sleigh, and presents would all burn up like a comet. Hugs, Tracey

[tekla]

Well in the current climate some old guy - with longish hair and a full-beard in some weirdo costume who only works one night a year would be taken for some hippie/OWS type and get pepper sprayed, maced, whacked with a few rubber rounds and then shot with a tear gas canister.

[Arch]

It is easy for me to forget just how shocking this can be and especially so to people who have a deep-seated psychological need to believe in the goodness and sanctity of their government.   

Wow. If you think that most of the Americans on these boards actually feel that way about their government, you might want to think some more.

P.S. Sorry 'bout the silly typo...I fixed it, but now people are quoting me! >>>head explodes<<<

[V M]

Good point Arch    I rarely meet anyone who trusts the Govt. much

[Princess of Hearts]

We went too the Kennedy Space centre when we were in Florida.   I remember seeing the Saturn 5 rocket that they have on display there and thinking 'wow, they went to the moon in that?'   Maybe that surprise planted a seed in my mind?   

In Barcelona we saw an exact replica of Columbus' ship and it was tiny!    Those sailors were super brave!

[Devlyn]

Since we can use YOUR rules in this thread, I don't believe you've been to Florida or Barcelona. I believe a major corporation or government brainwashed you into thinking you've seen these places. Hugs, Tracey

[Robyn]

I think that this thread has run its course.   Somebody yesterday got very upset indeed by this thread.   I hope that the moderators haven't punished her for her outburst?     I have known about this business for about three years and I had my suspicions before then.    It is easy for me to forget just how shocking this can be and especially so to people who have a deep-seated psychological need to believe in the goodness and sanctity of their government.    You would need  to be a Green Beret, or a Navy Seal to have withstood this.
I understand that humour and gentle mocking are healthy attempts at coping with an near intolerable revelation.


We here in Europe have been increasingly suspicious of the federal government since the days of Reagan, so this revelation while still shocking it is not paralysing like it would be for many Americans.

Oh. gimmee a break. I thought all the Flatlanders died off years ago. As a PhD engineer who was here for all the Mercury, Gemini, and Apollo flights, I know a HappyKook when I see one. Fun stuff, but come on. Start with F = MA and build from there.

[tekla]

We here in Europe have been increasingly suspicious of the federal government since the days of Reagan

We've been suspicious of it since before the beginning, which is why our government is so different.

[Princess of Hearts]

There maybe some confusion here.   No one is denying that man has sent manned rockets etc into low earth orbit, or sent probes that have landed on planets etc.   What is disputed is that man has  landed men on the moon. 

The space shuttle also went into low earth orbit, that is not doubted.   It is the landing and exploring of the moon by human beings that is disputed.

P.S. look at footage of Apollo blasting off from the moon's surface for the return journey and you will notice two things.   First, the craft looks as if it is being jerked upon on a piece of string.   Second, what filmed the blast-off from the moon?   The camera films the take off from a level position to start with then changes angle to film the craft launching into space.  Perhaps 1960s technology allowed this to happen?   Another curious thing how did this footage get back to earth?   Obviously no one could have physically retrieved it from the moon surface.   Perhaps they had the technology to 'beam' this footage back to earth back in the 60s?

[Annah]

i think you are fighting an uphill cause by yourself, Happygirl.

You can write all this stuff out until the cows come home. No one is really taking your convictions seriously. If anything, you are kinda making yourself look rather bad.

You sound like a fundamentalist preacher trying to proselytize to the sinners. The problem is, these "sinners" are smart. It may work on other forums but people are seeing right through this.

BTW, the last paragraph you wrote has been debunked for years now. Should read up on current events and not the usual conspiracy conventions.

[SandraJane]

Its been fun....

Happy Girl are you having another crisis? The last time you went on a posting flurry, back when you were still Princess of Hearts,
you admitted to going through one. https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,106793.msg806901.html#msg806901  #10 
What is it this time?

Once again you have proven your ability to "bring in the crowds", and skillfully manipulate the masses to keep the thread rollin'!
So what bothers thee my child?

[Amazon D]

Its been fun....

Happy Girl are you having another crisis? The last time you went on a posting flurry, back when you were still Princess of Hearts,
you admitted to going through one. What is it this time?

Once again you have proven your ability to "bring in the crowds", and skillfully manipulate the masses to keep the thread rollin'!
So what bothers thee my child?

ahhh why are only the moderators told who is changing their names because its not right so many waste their time over such when the moderators know who the IP is..

[Devlyn]

I figured out how to handle her. Happy Girl, there is no confusion here, you've merely been brainwashed by some corporation or government into thinking there's confusion here. Hugs, Tracey

[Julie Marie]

Sorry but America fooled the world back in 1969.    Those Nasa, and White House cold warriors cruelly and in an extremely cynical manner defrauded the world.  Their purpose was to establish America's  world hegemony.   The whole thing is slowly but surely unravelling, and the terrible truth will be revealed.

And wait until the truth about Roswell comes out.  Weather balloon my butt!

[Amazon D]

Ok here is my take on this whole conspiracy thing ===> In 1975 after getting out of the USMC i met one Patrick Peyton who told me 2 weeks before he died that he was going to die / be killed because he had lived his one yr free after retirement and had to be killed because They were afraid he might talk to someone as he got old and senile. he was in texas when kennedy was killed. He was a 20 yr texas state trooper and 5 yrs international border patrol and 10 yrs FBI and 10 yrs CIA and he said to me in 1975 that they killed the kennedys to stop 24 yrs of democratic rule by the three brothers. He said it was the republican party as what he knew. He also told me his son was set up for life in Lockheed martin for him keeping his silence which even his son or wife was never told. He though wanted to share it with someone before he died and so he chose me a USMC vet. when i finally googled this in 98 when i first got online i found a Peyton was in charge at lockheed. Anyway thats what i was told by an old man who spent his last yr selling watermelons on the streets of garberville Calif. which he would bring back from mac allen texas. I called him the watermelon man. Then in 2001 i met the lesbian neice of strom thurmond on a boat in st pete Fl. who i told this story too and she said wow you knew the watermellon man. She then told me to keep quiet.. Also if you remember sometimes shortly after 1975 Larry Flint offered a million dollars to anyone with info on the kennedy asassinations and he was quickly shot.. Well i don't know for sure the truth but it seems to me to add up.. Patrick peyton died at the garberville Calif hospital in the redwoods in 1975. He loved to break open watermellons and share them with kids who couldn't afford them. He said he chose N. Calif to spend his lat yr because of all the hippies there. He said he was tired of the plastic all conforming people he dealt with in his life..

Yes i changed the topic to my own life story and well for me this is fact but for others i might be called a goof 

[Sweet Blue Girl]

And wait until the truth about Roswell comes out.  Weather balloon my butt!

U.s governement desecreted the whole covering story. If what they showed was indeed a weather baloon, what crashed was a test plane, the futuristic alluminium made Sr71. End of the story.