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What's more important, passing as a woman or having a vagina? - a hairy question

Started by Bea, November 28, 2011, 03:45:30 AM

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Quote from: MsDazzler on November 28, 2011, 10:07:08 PM
It is a matter of how much signifinance you attach to having a vagina...

But consider this - if you do not pass but you have a vagina, you always will be viewed as a man with a self-multiation disorder who went and multiated his dick.

Far better to be a passable woman with a penis, and a vagina can always come later, plus even if you finally get a vagina, it is not like you are going to be going around telling strangers, "I got a vagina now! So I am a woman now!"

Plus there is safety to consider as well.. Assailants who clock you as trans may hurt you, even if you tell them you have a vagina - even worse, they might just violate you as well

i'm thinking if one is a post op mtf and has sex with a cisgendered man without revealing to him they were born male, if it is the wrong guy, and he finds that information out, he may murder her or beat her up as bad as a guy.
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stldrmgrl

A similar question was asked not too long ago, but to share my answer, passing is more important to me.

Just for reference... https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,109979.0.html
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MsDazzler

Quote from: FullMoon19 on November 28, 2011, 10:19:35 PM
i'm thinking if one is a post op mtf and has sex with a cisgendered man without revealing to him they were born male, if it is the wrong guy, and he finds that information out, he may murder her or beat her up as bad as a guy.

Yeah, what I meant was that a passable woman with a penis has a far better chance of avoiding detection or assault by others than a nonpassable woman with a vagina easily clocked even from a distance.

If a post op MTF had a sex with a natal male without telling him, well, that is a different ballpark game....

We are talking about living your life day to day as a passable woman with a penis compared to a nonpassable woman with a vagina.
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Mahsa Tezani

Quote from: MsDazzler on November 28, 2011, 10:51:15 PM
We are talking about living your life day to day as a passable woman with a penis compared to a nonpassable woman with a vagina.

I told some guy I had a vagina and he was like, "send me pics!" then I didn't send him pics and he was upset. He's like, "You're a hot ass chick!" "I wanna do you so bad" to "never talk to me again" when he figured out what club ASIA was. Too many red flags in the beginning. Him and I briefly discussed ->-bleeped-<-s and he was like, "Yeah, I spot them all the time." Apparently not with me.

But he was a bro...the type who reads MAXIM monthly, goes to HOOTERS on the wharf, & avoids ->-bleeped-<-s like the plague. I met him at Embarcadero where he worked one day, he started flirting with me and asked me for my number. I've met several men who were awesome and wanted a relationship until I told them and they were like, "Not interested in even getting to know you"

But those experiences were more worth it, than having ->-bleeped-<- ->-bleeped-<-s persuing me.
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Bea

I just started wearing makeup last week and I can say for sure that my facial hair has got to go first! Thanks girls...

And this is why I am so happy I joined this group... I don't feel like I am the only one anymore... Thank god...





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Jen-Jen

Quote from: BreanneRose on November 29, 2011, 01:06:09 AM

And this is why I am so happy I joined this group... I don't feel like I am the only one anymore... Thank god...
I know right, isn't it just so wonderful!
Don't judge a book by its cover! My lifes been like a country song! True love, amazing grace, severe heartbreak, buckles, boots n spurs! I 've been thrown off the bull a couple times, I keep getting up and dusting myself off! Can't give up on my happily ever after!
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Mahsa Tezani

Quote from: BreanneRose on November 29, 2011, 01:06:09 AM
I just started wearing makeup last week and I can say for sure that my facial hair has got to go first! Thanks girls...

And this is why I am so happy I joined this group... I don't feel like I am the only one anymore... Thank god...

I've been wearing makeup since I was 14...but you know I learn new things everyday as it is my job.
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lilacwoman

dead follicles from MPB may never rewaken with drugs so plan on wigs or transplants.
I had transplants and they were growing new hairs after 3/4 weeks and after six months gave a nice hairline.
I had nice wigs previously and they worked fine as I spent time searching and choosing styles suitable for my age and shape not to make me look like a drag queen.
got to be seen and living as a woman before a vagina gets important.

I'm still having electrolysis and laser on my face and the hairs on my chin and mouth sides are taking forever to clear so most of the time I have the pits and scars of electrolysis that needs a heavy makeup and that gets me noticed far too much so I'd say spend on face hair and then head hair and then srs.
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Naturally Blonde

Obviously both factors are important but if I had to choose between the two, 'passing as a woman' would be my answer as the most important factor!
Living in the real world, not a fantasy
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Naturally Blonde

Quote from: MsDazzler on November 28, 2011, 10:51:15 PM
Yeah, what I meant was that a passable woman with a penis has a far better chance of avoiding detection or assault by others than a nonpassable woman with a vagina easily clocked even from a distance.


Absolutely! my thoughts exactely!
Living in the real world, not a fantasy
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JenJen2011

"You have one life to live so live it right"
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Lexicaligari

The question is a poser and no mistake! The answers will be as varied as the individuals. In my instance-- which is a statical model of one-- the most important is SURVIVABILITY! If you need employment to make it all happen-- be employable in some way.  If you can afford to live on your independent means, then you can afford a more contemplative answer.

I had great employment-- lost it due to the economy (not my gender issues) and let me tell you it was grim and grim for years. I have adapted and moved on, but a LOT of that was sheer dumb luck, and huge adjustments.

Its a question that may have different answers in different circumstances.  Folks who have absolutists answers may never have to walk in your shoes. And I'm absolutely sure about that--

I just hope you can get to where you want to be! Lots can not!

Best of Luck-

Lexi-
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MsDazzler

Consider FFS and hair modification surgery as the cake; SRS as the icing on the cake.  ;)
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Jeneva

Quote from: MsDazzler on November 30, 2011, 08:08:48 PM
Consider FFS and hair modification surgery as the cake; SRS as the icing on the cake.  ;)
But do the FFS first so that if you do end up needing transplants you have less area to cover. If FFS gives you 1/2 or 3/4 inches more hairline then you can focus on density of a sparse area vs starting from scratch.
Blessed Be!

Jeneva Caroline Samples
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MsDazzler

Quote from: Jeneva on December 01, 2011, 10:02:25 AM
But do the FFS first so that if you do end up needing transplants you have less area to cover. If FFS gives you 1/2 or 3/4 inches more hairline then you can focus on density of a sparse area vs starting from scratch.

What FFS procedures do you mean? Hairline lowering? Brow lift?
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Re: Joyce

This is not a good question, as it doesn't represent a realistic choice.  If you can't pass, FFS probably won't help that much.

     There's so much more to passing than a face and there are many women who have strongly male facial features and still pass fine.

      Your first question is about hair.  Let the hormones do their thing and finesteride might be a good choice for you.  Hair loss is often associated with T and its reduction, as part of your hormone treatment, just my bring your hair back.

      The next issue is people giving advice who haven't been there yet.  If you don't have a vagina, you don't know all that goes with one.  It is NOT just a change in your panties, it's a change in your brain, as well.  If you ask many post-op women, they will nearly all tell you that GRS will cure the feelings of GID.   All those anxieties, all those compulsions and over-riding obsessions can go away when you wake up from the surgery.

       As a post-op woman, I'll advise you to focus on your own transition first and be slow to make long-term plans involving a lot of money spent.  In other words, if transition is the right path for you, start with hormones and let them do their work.  Anyone who is currently on HRT will tell you of the calming effect of beginning Estrogen therapy.   Aaaaah.  The E will re-shape your facial look over time and it will also re-shape your body.  YOU need to re-shape your mind and behavior to let your inner female come out to the world.

       After you are well on your way to fulfilling your year-long RLE, you may decide what to do.  If you really want to let your inner woman out, she will come out.  Just be aware of who is telling you what.   When people give you advice, look at what they have, for if you follow their advice, that is what you'll get.

       If the money is the same, GRS does WAY more than change your body, it also changes your brain.  It can cure GID.
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Padma

For me, I care less what other people "think" I am, and more what I actually am - so a vagina is more important, since I've given up "passing" as a man.
Womandrogyneâ„¢
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MsDazzler

While we are on the subject of vaginas, you have to also ask yourself a question - if you opt for a vagina instead of FSS, do you want to have an active sexual life? Because I have heard that some vaginas are very shallow and incapable of receiving bigger penises.
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shortNsweet

I put a lot of importance on passing. I would much rather look how I should and have people truly see that I am a woman. But I don't have to be stunning or a Victoria's Secret model. As long as I passed well enough, I would choose a vagina over FFS.

Quote from: MsDazzler on December 02, 2011, 09:21:02 PM
While we are on the subject of vaginas, you have to also ask yourself a question - if you opt for a vagina instead of FSS, do you want to have an active sexual life? Because I have heard that some vaginas are very shallow and incapable of receiving bigger penises.

To answer your question: I would just want a normal sex life. I'm not a whore, but I would like to be a little more active than just "once in a while."

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