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How long will it be till she looks like a woman??

Started by qUiRkY qUeEn, December 07, 2011, 08:33:09 PM

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qUiRkY qUeEn

I know that the hair removal on the face takes about 18 months, so I am figuring around then when the face hair is completely gone. She is on her 6 month of hormones. I do not know how to begin to thank all of you girls for all of the help and support you have given. I am taking baby steps still, but am happy in my marriage. Jill is being more understanding and we are learning how to communicate better. I am hoping that when her hair gets longer, her acne scars get removed, and of course the big moment when her facial hair is completely gone, she will never have to feel as ripped into two. Or as hopeless... As it stands, she goes through those moments and feels as if she will never pass... but I am sure every transwoman as had these types of feelings. I keep telling her once her shadow on her face disappears she will have a big weight lifted off of her shoulders (as far as her appearance goes) there are of course ALOT more obstacles to face besides appearance, but one day at a time, and we will keep on staying hopeful, smiling, and tackle what we must together... We will become stronger together!!! Please let me know what it felt like to not have your facial hair anymore... if you do not mind..... Thank you....
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Annah

i know this is going to sound strange but the facial hair did not bother me as much because I could work around it until laser came. And I had tons of it.....I had a full beard prior to transition and I could grow a full beard in just 12 days. So I had a very big facial hair problem.

I shaved it close and I applied dermablend to my face. It looked as if I never had hair at all. Matter of fact, the pic in my profile has me wearing derma blend and at the time, I had only had two laser sessions.

For me, it was the overall encompassing transition of being female that put me at rest....that is, where I could go to school and work as Annah and people never questioned my gender.
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cynthialee

There is no way to give you a hard answer here. So much of transition is a situation of your mileage may vary. (YMMV)

If she has had 6 months of HRT and some facial hair removal she should start experimenting with her look, make up and deportment.
No matter how long she lets the HRT and laser/electrolosis do its work she needs to start properly dressing and living in a female role. There will be an awkward phase that she will have to work through. Might as well get it out of the way now.
;)
So it is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you can win a hundred battles without a single loss.
If you only know yourself, but not your opponent, you may win or may lose.
If you know neither yourself nor your enemy, you will always endanger yourself.
Sun Tsu 'The art of War'
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Annah

Quote from: cynthialee on December 07, 2011, 08:42:58 PM
There will be an awkward phase that she will have to work through. Might as well get it out of the way now.

Oh, how I remembered that awkward phase. First time I wore a skirt and hose to class I threw up LOL.
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qUiRkY qUeEn

She is even more concerned about all of her acne scars, she had the derma roller done $1200.00 and they are still there!!!! So we will have to possibly get a deep chemical peel... Those also have to be gone!!! Or she will not feel pretty.. I almost what her to feel beautiful quicker then she does... Can you please tell me your stories while you were in the "transition" stage. So I can understand from another person's point of view.. I am sorry I am asking you to go down memory lane, but I do not talk with to many people about this and would like to hear for the source. What type of thoughts went through your head, regarding your appearance, did you get mad if you saw a new red bump, did you get mad if you saw a bruise. etc... She has tried the derma blend but we can still see the acne scars. Did anyone have the deep chemical peel done? Did the results work? Giving you baby smooth skin... is that even possible for my spouse?? She is hopeless again right now and I hug her and tell her to be patient... I know that is all I can do, but writting in here gives me more peace of mind and more information regarding this new journey, so ladies I invite you to please pour your heart out... Thank you so kindly.....
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Annah

I know this will sound very difficult but I think someone has to counsel her where she has to accept herself for herself and to let go of the fact that you have to look a specific way to be comfortable with oneself.

I know she must be going through a lot since she has spent so much money removing acne scars but I would suggest that you be ready and be there for in in case none of these procedures will work to her satisfaction.

One of the hurdles (and goals for some) in transition is trying to come at peace with your physical self as you try to come at peace with your mental self.
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cynthialee

Men do not have the title to acne scars. They suck but they are by no means an indication of gender.

So it is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you can win a hundred battles without a single loss.
If you only know yourself, but not your opponent, you may win or may lose.
If you know neither yourself nor your enemy, you will always endanger yourself.
Sun Tsu 'The art of War'
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lilacwoman

the boss of the electrolysis clinic says the derma roller definitely does not work on male skins even with estrogen.  dunno why.
I notice when I have a lot of electro that I get deep pits that eventually fill up and level off after about 6/7 days with what must be collagen under new skin and after about 3 weeks I have nice skin until the next electrolysis.
maybe each acne spot kills off so many skin cells for so long that there is nothing to regenerate?
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Princess of Hearts

Soon she will develop extraordinary hearing, she will be able to hear rats scurrying in the sewers.   Her vision will become that of the eagle, she will have the strength of ten men. Next...Oh wait you did say when will she look like a woman?   Oh I thought you meant vampire.   :laugh:



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Mahsa Tezani

Quote from: Annah on December 07, 2011, 09:57:03 PM
Oh, how I remembered that awkward phase. First time I wore a skirt and hose to class I threw up LOL.

I can't look at my old pics without wanting to hurl. Now I know how others feeLoL.

Truth is, this is an evolution and it takes time.
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Emily Ray

I started living full-time 5 months after I started HRT. Now I don't think I really started passing until until 8 or 9 months after HRT. It takes a long time to get used to putting on makeup and doing my hair in a feminine way. This akward phase wasn't to terrible for me. Even though people knew I was trans they still treated me like a woman and that was really the best feeling in the world. I still don't have any hair removal and need to shave every morning. I hate having to do it, but when it isn't in the budget we have to do what we can.

Huggs

Emily
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qUiRkY qUeEn

Quote from: Annah on December 08, 2011, 08:51:52 AM
I know this will sound very difficult but I think someone has to counsel her where she has to accept herself for herself and to let go of the fact that you have to look a specific way to be comfortable with oneself.

She refuses to do that right now... she thinks that is a way to lie to herself. She is giving herself WAY to many hurdles to get over WAY TO MANY.. She is super scared that things will not be okay, she feels no one besides me even cares about her. We have a LOOOONG road ahead of us.... You did not feel you needed to look a certain way to pass.. were you scared?? She is soooo hopeless right now... and when I try to help her, I say, I understand to her, or I know, or it will be okay... AND ALL of that she pushes me away... then I get frustrated, and am mean to her... GEEEZ these times when she gets GID are the worst... It kills me to see her in so much pain and then my love seems to always rub her the wrong way when it is suppose to count. I get to were I close myself off to her. She is not trying to do this intentionally I promise!!! She is in soooooo much hopelessness and it kills her to go through society in two different worlds...
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qUiRkY qUeEn

Quote from: Happy Girl! on December 08, 2011, 06:40:20 PM
Soon she will develop extraordinary hearing, she will be able to hear rats scurrying in the sewers.   Her vision will become that of the eagle, she will have the strength of ten men. Next...Oh wait you did say when will she look like a woman?   Oh I thought you meant vampire.   :laugh:
What were you trying to get at here?? That this is a normal stage for transwoman... they all go through this in the beginning???
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cynthialee

Is your girlfriend a member of any online support groups like Susans or Lauras?

If so she should spend more time on them and if not get her on one.
So it is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you can win a hundred battles without a single loss.
If you only know yourself, but not your opponent, you may win or may lose.
If you know neither yourself nor your enemy, you will always endanger yourself.
Sun Tsu 'The art of War'
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Annah

Quote from: qUiRkY qUeEn on December 08, 2011, 08:24:04 PM
She refuses to do that right now... she thinks that is a way to lie to herself. She is giving herself WAY to many hurdles to get over WAY TO MANY.. She is super scared that things will not be okay, she feels no one besides me even cares about her. We have a LOOOONG road ahead of us.... You did not feel you needed to look a certain way to pass.. were you scared?? She is soooo hopeless right now... and when I try to help her, I say, I understand to her, or I know, or it will be okay... AND ALL of that she pushes me away... then I get frustrated, and am mean to her... GEEEZ these times when she gets GID are the worst... It kills me to see her in so much pain and then my love seems to always rub her the wrong way when it is suppose to count. I get to were I close myself off to her. She is not trying to do this intentionally I promise!!! She is in soooooo much hopelessness and it kills her to go through society in two different worlds...

I trust she is going to a gender therapist. A good therapist can help her out immensely.

My therapist helped me with relaxation techniques and one of her favorite sayings to me was "relax, no one became a woman overnight. Not even those born as females genetically."

Rushing, placing hurdles before oneself, and creating a large list of accomplishments she feels she has to overcome overnight will make her condition worse.

I learned to take it slow. I was taught that this wasn't to be rushed and it should not be rushed. You stated she spent a considerable amount of money on a dermal roller. It is my opinion if she fully explored these options she would have realized that a derma roller would not have been as effective as she would like, thus, having more money invested in the electrolysis process itself.

I am in no way trying to put her down. God knows, transitioning is not easy and people naturally wish to rush it but try to convince her to remain calm in these matters and if she hasn't seen a gender therapist, I would recommend the monies going to that first.

Good luck to her.
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ToriJo

I'd agree with others - she needs to learn to accept herself.  But that's not exactly something you can force on someone.  You can just support and love her for who you know she is today.
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Mahsa Tezani

Looking like a woman takes a lot off time, effort, luck, and WERQK. That is after you conquer the true self hurdle.
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tekla

It is huge.  Highly complex.  It's something that is fraught with difficulties, unexpected setbacks, unforeseen problems and lots of other bad stuff.  That's the road, and it ain't easy, but I don't think it has to be horrible, and I know a few who really look at it as a true turning point.  But, about the overwhelming thing, well I can say something about that.

She works as an electrician right?  In Vegas?  (I was just there)  So she's worked on some pretty huge projects right?  So you do your own life projects (or at least I do, but I'm weird) just like you do huge construction projects.  You do one thing at a time.  You do the next thing that has to be done.  Focus on that, and that alone.  And that's how you keep it from overwhelming you.

Look, you read a 5,000 page book just like you read a 5 page book, you start on page one, move on to page two, lather, rinse, repeat.

I do it with something I learned, (then practiced, practiced and practiced) called Critical Path Scheduling (google it).  There are a lot of variations of it.  But basically you list out all the things you want to do, have done, still need to accomplish and all that.  Then you arrange them, because some of them (if not all of them) have prerequisite to them.  You have to do A, before you do B.  Right?  I have to unload the truck before I set up the band, no way around it because all the stuff I need to set up is in that truck.  Or you have to put in the conduit before you run/pull the wiring.  Or you have to have the damn wire delivered before anyone can do anything with it.  So, first things first - you unload the truck.  It looks a lot more manageable when you see it in that form.  Actually, doing the forms, that work in planning, and trying to get the ducks in a row is the first step to really managing it (as opposed to it managing you).

Failure to plan is planning to fail.  No way around that.  So, you plan the work, and then work the plan - and even if things don't turn out picture perfect, or exactly on schedule all the time (and they won't) you won't panic, you'll have a clear understanding that you are still on target, it's not hopeless, it's moving forward, what's the next thing?  That's the only way (other than not caring at all and just leaving everything scattered to the wild winds) to keep it from being overwhelming that I know of. 



she feels no one besides me even cares about her

a) well at least she has you, and that one more person than most people have

b) once we all finish our personal pity party about that - boo hoo, nobody cares about me (and guess what buttercup?  They don't care about anyone else either.) - and really examine that it goes from being a huge bummer concept to one of the most liberating ideas anyone can ever have.  Because it's true for the most part (and BTW, sad, sad, sad are those who have far too many people caring about them).  And once you get that, you're free to pursue your dreams, because - as she correctly stated - no one really cares anyway.  So, what's stopping you?


And I'm not much of a fan of therapy, or lots of other 'feel good' stuff like religion either, but it does work for some people and I can't argue with results.  But in the end - no matter how you get there:  Most people are about as happy as they make up their minds (or, choose) to be.  And once you get there, the rest is pretty easy (or at the least, more enjoyable).  And you need to watch that very carefully.  Far too many people would rather be miserable and know it, then risk trying to be happy but unsure.  That and lots of people are never really happy.  It's always one more thing.  Always, too much but not enough.  It's like they live their life in a constant quest for the approval of someone who doesn't care (as we've established above), and isn't watching at any rate.

The other thing has to do with unrealistic expectations, which are pretty much the rocks that most people's ship-o-life runs aground on.
FIGHT APATHY!, or don't...
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Annah

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