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MTF TS - What Was Your Childhood Like?

Started by Julie Marie, March 11, 2007, 09:09:12 AM

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As a child, we're you accepted as one of the boys or picked on?

I was pretty popular and totally accepted as one of the boys
1 (1%)
I was mostly accepted as one of the boys but I had to teach myself some masculine mannerisms
2 (2.1%)
I was accepted but pretty much had to learn most of my masculine mannerisms
7 (7.3%)
I was picked on some as I couldn't seem to learn how to totally be a boy
39 (40.6%)
I was picked on a lot. I had no idea how to be a boy.
33 (34.4%)
I was always picked because I was very feminine and there was no hiding it.
14 (14.6%)

Total Members Voted: 44

Julie Marie

Looking back, did you have a tough time trying to fit in with the other boys?  Were you popular?  Did you engage in sports?  Did you keep to yourself?  Were you outgoing or a wall flower?  Were you confident or afraid?

I was just wondering how much your feminine personality shown through.  Was it something you couldn't hide?  Did you learn to hide it completely?  Or were you somewhere in the middle?

I would imagine that the more feminine you were as a child the more relief you'd feel once you began transition.  If you were pretty much accepted as one of the guys, you probably have more doubts about transitioning because you so successfully led a male life.

What was it like for you then and how does that affect your life today?

Julie
When you judge others, you do not define them, you define yourself.
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Shana A

From elementary through to high school, I was often picked on and occasionally beat up for being a "->-bleeped-<-got" or "sissy". I had absolutely no interest in sports, and was always the last one picked for any team. They told me that I threw a ball like a girl, I spent more time on the bench or way out in outer left field. I wasn't popular at all, I kept to myself, practiced music and read lots of books. Adults sometimes mistook me for a girl, and when they apologized, I always wanted to say that they hadn't made a mistake, that I actually was a girl. I had no idea of how to fit in with boys, and in fact, really didn't care to learn how to. I didn't understand guys then, and I still don't :)

Later on, as an adult, I became better at relating to other people, especially able to fit in with other musicians, regardless of gender, after all, we could always talk about guitars, instruments, music, etc. When I came out as transgender, I think that my childhood experiences made more sense from that perspective.

zythyra
"Be yourself; everyone else is already taken." Oscar Wilde


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Jonie

Many years ago when I was very Young before I learned how to read I'd ask an adult where the bathroom was they would direct me to the womens room. After that I learned to hide my fem side somewhat but it still would seep through.
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Kate

I was picked on a bit more than most, but I wasn't flamboyantly effeminate. I DID do and enjoy many "boy" things, but I was also very... passive? non-assertive? It's more that I had a feminine outlook on things, rather than did feminine things. People keep telling me I'm "gentle," which is about as flattering as being "harmless," lol. Either way, it doesn't go over so well in the competitive male social environment. I eventually just excused myself from the game entirely, and withdrew into myself, into my own little world(s).

Kate
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beckster

Heya Julie,

Am not sure any of those options really apply to me.  I was never that popular although I was accepted as being one of the boys.  I was probably a typical boy, maybe a little quiet and shy, I was always getting in to trouble, climbing on things, playing football, riding my bike, upsetting the neighbours, getting hurt and spending most of my time thinking girls were just stupid.  I was never picked on for being feminine, although I was bullied as I had trouble standing up for myself and didn't like to fight with boys.  All said and done I had a pretty good childhood, life only become a little tough with my gender issues when I started puberty and reached the age of about 16 !!

As you mention, I had major doubts about transitioning for the very reason I was a typical boy.  When I started coming out to the girls I work with I know a few of them said they just couldn't believe it.  Maybe I just did a good job of covering things up ?

I really dont think my childoohd effects who I am today, although there are times I can be with a group of friends and when childhood chat comes up I feel as though my childhood life and my life now dont quite match up.  Sometimes I have to be a bit careful when I am talking about things but its no big deal !!

Becky
xx
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Melissa

I never totally learned how to be a boy.  I was picked on maybe twice and that was in junior high and their only explanation was that they just didn't like me.  It could be they saw the female inside.  Pretty much after that I had learn to defend myself, but still never totally learned how to be a boy.  I had a few friends try and give me some pointers (i.e. don't stand with your hands on your hips), but most just accepted me as just some weird guy and left it at that.

Melissa
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umop ap!sdn

In between answers #4 and #5. I suppose I would have been picked on a lot more had I actually had a normal amount of interaction with my peers.

Oh, the boys were into their sports or their playing in the dirt etc and I was always the shy one that didn't do or say much. I also didn't understand them, their thoughts/motivations/actions, and even when socializing one on one I was just kinda bored most of the time. And I also was quite passive and tended to spend a lot of time immersed in my own world. Girls were a different matter - I found it very easy to form close friendships.

I was told I looked like a girl, which I took as a compliment even though I felt I was *supposed* to "correct" people when they guessed that I was. One time in my early teens a boy told me to "talk like a man", which I neither could do nor wanted to, but tried anyway for about 5 minutes just to fit in.
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Melissa

Oh yeah, another thing.  When I was younger, I would makie friends with both boys and girls.  I had 2 male friends I used to play with a lot since it was more acceptable with the adults.  As I got older, the other girls (for the most part) didn't want to really be friends with a boy.  Most of the time I hung out alone or with the few friends I did have.  It just goes to show I learned how to get along with people just fine regardless of their gender.  Even now in the TS world, I have both MTF and FTM friends.  I just have more fun in some of our girl only get-togethers.  Also, the male friend I had before transition, hasn't quite stopped talking to me like I'm a guy and sometimes puts me off a little when telling crude jokes (which I don't really laugh at) and saying things that would be fine between guys.  I'm sure he'll learn eventually, and I'm still curious what his reaction will be when I reveal my sexual orientation (bi, leanign more towards guys).  I think that may force him out of his box.

Melissa
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Terra

Hmm, well the nice part of being 6'4" is that most of the guys didn't try anything with me. After I put a guy through a window after he was saying what he would do to my sister, they stopped entirly. But other then that one time, I was mostly left alone and didn't interact much with the other students. Maybe thats why I have such a hard time dealing with people as an adult, even if I don't consider myself one.  ;)
"If you quit before you try, you don't deserve to dream." -grandmother
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Lucy

I had many friends which were boys and did boy things, sports and fighting but the people I felt more at home with were the girls and still do ;D. But that doesn't mean a thing. My wife maily got on with the boys at school ;D??? ??? ???
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Sheila

I was picked on for a number of reasons, one was that I was overweight. I also had a lot of allergies and in class I was always sniffling and blowing my nose. Allergy attacks all the time. They called me names and I was not good at sports. I had eczema really bad on my legs and that was something to pick on. I kept pretty much to myself and I never socialized with anyone. I think I was in 7th grade when I bought myself a set of weights. It was a cheap set from Sears, 110lb barbell set. I worked out with that for years and found other plates and I swam in our pool and in the ocean and built my body up. I took karate and learned self disipline and was able to take care of myself from 9th grade on. No one picked on me anymore. I was still a loner though. I got into two fights in school and broke a couple of noses and one arm. So I got left alone. I also had a death wish, too. I surfed by myself and would do some stupid things. I never had any goals in my life, just played by the seat of my pants and I still do. I kept to myself all my life, until I found the internet and there were people out there who were like me. I tried to be very masculine, but it was never me. I didn't like it, I like what the girls did, I liked how they socialized, I knew that was me. I liked everything about what the women did. The people who I talked to in my job were women, I never liked the men. I was female and I knew it. As far as I was concerned you could take the whole male gender and drop them off the face of the earth. I hated men and I pretty much don't like them now. There are other reasons why I hate males, but I won't go into that, been over that with my therapist. I'm female now, very happy that I am who I am now.
Sheila
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cindianna_jones

I was picked on a lot from the other boys in my church and quite a bit in grade school. When I got into high school, I was fine.  I didn't have to pretend much, I always had the "I want to be a girl" thougts to fight, but I was accepted as masculine.  I was a loner for the most part.  I was well liked by many but I had no really close friends.  I did like to hang out with the girls a lot.

I went to every dance at the high school.  I loved to dance.  I danced with all the popular girls whether they wanted to or not ;)

I was very immature, partly for skipping a grade, and partly due to the fact that I was just a dweeb.  I wasn't smart enough to just keep my mouth shut.

I don't know that I was popular, but I was well liked.  I managed to not drive people away at least. I was a handsome kid and that helped out where my social skills were lacking.

My parents, adults, and church leaders thought that I was the perfect kid. To them, I was honest, a hard worker, and special in so many ways. I knew otherwise. But then again, most of your reading this understand the never ending string of thoughts running through a GID afflicted youth.

Cindi
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KarenLyn

I was a misfit for several reasons though I got along ok until junior high when the cliques started forming. I wasn't interested in sports and wasn't welcome with the girls. It just got worse in high school. I was sexually assaulted in my freshman year and nothing came of it. Except for the snickers behind my back and being called queer and ->-bleeped-<-got more times than I can count. I was the butt of every joke and on the receiving end of a lot of stupid pranks. It was the most miserable 4 years of my life.
I stuffed my feelings deep inside, joined the marines and never looked back.
Now, I'm still scarred from my experiences but I'm learning to open up. It's slow work, but my boyfriend helps a lot. He's so good at knowing my moods and when to give me space. One of these days I hope to marry him.
There you go. The short version.


Karen Lyn
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Julie Marie

Quote from: beckster on March 11, 2007, 03:10:47 PM
Heya Julie,

Am not sure any of those options really apply to me.  I was never that popular although I was accepted as being one of the boys.  I was probably a typical boy, maybe a little quiet and shy, I was always getting in to trouble, climbing on things, playing football, riding my bike, upsetting the neighbours, getting hurt and spending most of my time thinking girls were just stupid.  I was never picked on for being feminine, although I was bullied as I had trouble standing up for myself and didn't like to fight with boys.  All said and done I had a pretty good childhood, life only become a little tough with my gender issues when I started puberty and reached the age of about 16 !!

As you mention, I had major doubts about transitioning for the very reason I was a typical boy.  When I started coming out to the girls I work with I know a few of them said they just couldn't believe it.  Maybe I just did a good job of covering things up ?

I really dont think my childoohd effects who I am today, although there are times I can be with a group of friends and when childhood chat comes up I feel as though my childhood life and my life now dont quite match up.  Sometimes I have to be a bit careful when I am talking about things but its no big deal !!

Becky
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I was going to post what it was like for me but Becky, you pretty much nailed it.  You described pretty much exactly what my life was like growing up.  Even though I always wanted to be a girl, I still did a pretty good job at being accepted as a boy.  My biggest problem was being small.  In 8th grade I topped out at 5'1" and 100 pounds.  There was one other kid about the same height and we competed not to be the shortest.  And my small size told me I'd be stupid if I got in fights, even when the T was raging inside me.  I had to learn to be diplomatic and that helped a lot in being accepted.

I grew to 5'8" and 135 by the end of high school so I was still small but four years of swimming gave me that masculine V shape that helped somewhat in being accepted as one of the guys.  Still, I had trouble thinking and acting like a guy and had to learn a lot of things the hard way, usually through criticism.  What saved me was my sense of humor.  If someone makes you laugh you usually don't feel the need to test them for how tough they are. 

Now that sense of humor makes transitioning easier.  Instead of worrying about how a person will respond to me I find myself kidding around with them.  Once they are laughing I know everything will be okay. 

Julie
When you judge others, you do not define them, you define yourself.
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tinkerbell

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LynnER

I was picked on.... nearly constantly... by the kids at school, the teachers, the kidsitters... my family... and the list goes on and on.....  My 8th grade year I had it and tried to lock myself off... didnt do that great but I did become kinda popular  but I was still picked on till I exploded one day, then people feared me....
HS same thing though it got better... untill my dad beat the TS out of me (Or so we thought) and then people became afraid of me.... the picking stopped for the most part... but that was because I had a reputation at that point for explodeing when I had had too much... and I was an over all overly confident <ilusion> cocky, smartalleky jerk who wasnt affraid of anything <again ilusion>  I had my mask and I hid behind it for years till it was broken... and when it was I made a new even scarryer one and hid behind that....

I dont like going into any more detail and honestly my childhood was beyond painful so yeah......
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ChefAnnagirl

Let's just say that until i became the world's worst teenager and started smoking - it was literally years of being deathly and depressedly afraid to even go out of the house in my neighborhood, much less school -which was a daily minefield of constant emotional torture both internally and as bad or worse externally. I dreaded almost every single day of school from age 6 until age 16. I was beat on, picked on, laughed at, and generally abused almost every day in school and/or at home between the ages of 6 and 13 or so, when i finally learned to both defend myself and allow myself to go along with the jokes, in order to diffuse people's interest any longer.

I fell in love so many times - had my heart broken so many times - felt so scared all of the time....of so many things both at home and in school growing up. It was freaking horrible.

The real beauty of it all is that it made me strong. It challenged me to retain any intelligence or compassion whatsoever, it gave me the perspective that cruelty to others is not the answer. It gives me motivation to heal it all and help others in the healing process. I gave me perspective and perception from outside of any norms of the cultural box.

It helped me build highly effective defense mechanisms( some of which were very destructive in my life at different times) and deeply honed my perceptive abilities about other's communications and expressions in general. Gave me a deep hateful dislike of lying, playing unfair games, or being vengeful. Gave me a deep hatred of sarcasm and all other forms of negative, indirect, neglectful, and dishonest communication between people in general, and especially when directed at me -  Helped me to understand the depth of pain that people can actually feel and still survive somehow. Gave me real empathy for all other's thoughts and feelings.

The list of real tragically beautiful benefits and blessings from the same sources of pain is now amazing to me and longer yet still.....Way too long to list if i really got rolling on it here, and started really thinking about it...  It was like growing up in a different country, or even on a different planet - it really was - i lived in the planet of me, and it was a dark and cold and confusing place for many years of my young life -

i was so socially isolated, yet became so deeply enmeshed with it all - in my own negative and violently miserable and destructive ways as i grew older into my teen years....

All in all, it could have been much worse, :) and i'm sure many of you have had worse... I'm still here now, and i am a deeply loving person that is highly motivated to improve things within myself, and thereby also be able to more effectively help anyone else that has ever suffered such unfair and ruthless and brutal things in their own lives, more than ever before in my entire life.

I'd like nothing more now than to help  beat down all the lies and the hatred in this world, all the freaking lies between and about people, and human limitation - and accepted social "norms", "standards", cultures, religions, and races. All this garbage will have to get thrown out so that we dont choke ourselves to death on it.

(she then opens her purse with a very ladylike and rather stoic grace, and gently puts away her little mini soapbox)....
;D 

Sincerely,
Thanks for asking.


Annagirl
Level the playing field
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rhonda13000

#5. Mercilessly picked on and ostracized.

Until roughly, 8 years old, it was somewhat idyllic.

And then after that point, a searing cauldron of agony, confusion and pain.
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Gwen C

Here's a story that actually shows the power of our gift.

I was always picked on in grade school. I started 4th grade in a new city and new school. Within the first week I was labeled a sissy and had to fight a boy after school. He beat me up and then the boy's taunted and chased me home almost every day for three years.

We moved again after the 6th grade and I started in a new school. Same stuff. Early fight and got beat up. However, I was growing tall and basketball started. I had spent hours shooting baskets by myself for many years so I was pretty good. So after basketball started and I made the team, the kids just thought I was wierd. The taunting and fights didn't stop but they lessoned.

Then High School started out just like the other two new schools I'd attended. Soon after starting class there was a Junior, a little tough guy wrestling champ, that tried to pick a fight with me. But this time I didn't take the bait and get all fired up. After surrendering to myself the inevitability of the outcome, I calmly said to him in front of his friends that if he wanted to fight all he had to do was follow me out of the school. Then I turned and walked out calmly and slowly. After hesitating, he followed me out and I was sure that I was going to get beat up again. But as I just kept calmly walking out, he finally just gave up and blew me off. The next day I had a reputation for standing up to this guy. And it was then and there that I learned that passivity and quiet confidence is a powerful weapon.

Later in High School I wasn't having any luck with the girls. I just wasn't motivated to experiment sexually. I just wanted to be their friend. One day, I asked a girl I knew what she did to get a guy to like her. And she shared the secret. She told me that all she had to do was act uninterested and aloof from their overtures and that would drive them to want her more. So from that day forward, I did it like a girl would. I would act uninterested and aloof and it worked like a charm. All of a sudden I was dating the Home Coming Queen and most of the other popular girls. But, it never lasted very long as I still didn't have it in me to connect with them sexually. Something just didn't fit right for me.


So these two events taught me how to be calm, quite and confident and how to get people to like and want me by being aloof and uninterested in them. And I carried this off with the best of them to the successes I have had in business, friendships, relationships and life in general.

Ooh, the power of the female mind.

Gwen
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Melissa

Great story Gwen!  I really enjoyed it. :)

Melissa
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