Suporn vs. Bowers - Circumcision & Labia Minora

[ril]

So, I'm finally making my mind about about an SRS surgeon - I'm in graduate school and I'm thinking that the ideal time to do it would be over summer break. It's very exciting - the done-ness of my transition is almost palpable, and I feel like the whole process has been amazingly painless thus far.

I first started hearing about Suporn's technique about a year ago, and was really impressed with his results. However, I've recently learned that his beautiful inner labia and clit hoods seem to be dependent on his patients being uncircumcized, since he uses foreskin tissue to construct them. His website says that circumcision isn't a problem, but I'd really like to have mucosal labia minora, and I'm concerned that his technique can't accomplish that.

I know that Marci Bowers uses a graft from the urethral mucosa to create her inner labia, which is an appealing technique, but I'm apprehensive about the penile inversion method since I don't have an enormous amount of donor material (5" erect) to work with. I also think that, in general, Suporn's aesthetics (proportions, clit hooding, three dimensional structure) are rather better than Bowers's.

So, I'm looking for info! Has anyone here been to Suporn who was circumcised? How happy are you with your results in terms of aesthetics and lubrication? Does anyone know if Suporn does anything special with urethral mucosa the way Bowers does?

Thanks for helping me out! I'm looking forward to having my mind made up... eventually.

[Elainagirl59]

Hi ril,

I was a patient of Dr Suporn, surgery Dec of 2010.  I was circumcised.  I am very happy with the aesthetics of my vagina.
As far as lubrication it seems adequate.  But  how do you judge?  During my consultation with Dr Suporn it was stated many
times that everyone's results are unique, and you cannot compare your healing or results to anyone else.  I would imagine  any SRS
surgeon will say something similar.  That being said all you can compare is your actual result with one surgeon against a hypothetical
result with another surgeon.

I am very satisfied with my outcome.

Best Wishes,
Elaina

[leflauren678]

I've considered stretching to restore my foreskin and allow for the mucosal labia minora (a major limitation of SRS). Anyone have any experience with this?

-Lef

So, I'm finally making my mind about about an SRS surgeon - I'm in graduate school and I'm thinking that the ideal time to do it would be over summer break. It's very exciting - the done-ness of my transition is almost palpable, and I feel like the whole process has been amazingly painless thus far.

I first started hearing about Suporn's technique about a year ago, and was really impressed with his results. However, I've recently learned that his beautiful inner labia and clit hoods seem to be dependent on his patients being uncircumcized, since he uses foreskin tissue to construct them. His website says that circumcision isn't a problem, but I'd really like to have mucosal labia minora, and I'm concerned that his technique can't accomplish that.

I know that Marci Bowers uses a graft from the urethral mucosa to create her inner labia, which is an appealing technique, but I'm apprehensive about the penile inversion method since I don't have an enormous amount of donor material (5" erect) to work with. I also think that, in general, Suporn's aesthetics (proportions, clit hooding, three dimensional structure) are rather better than Bowers's.

So, I'm looking for info! Has anyone here been to Suporn who was circumcised? How happy are you with your results in terms of aesthetics and lubrication? Does anyone know if Suporn does anything special with urethral mucosa the way Bowers does?

Thanks for helping me out! I'm looking forward to having my mind made up... eventually.

[Rebekah with a K-A-H]

I've considered stretching to restore my foreskin and allow for the mucosal labia minora (a major limitation of SRS). Anyone have any experience with this?

-Lef

You're not actually creating any new skin by doing this, so save yourself the effort.  There isn't much to worry about regardless, I think; Brassard, for example, uses mucosal tissue for the vaginal lining, clitoral hooding, and outline of the labia.  I don't know what other surgeons do, but it's probably at the very least comparable.

So, I'm finally making my mind about about an SRS surgeon - I'm in graduate school and I'm thinking that the ideal time to do it would be over summer break. It's very exciting - the done-ness of my transition is almost palpable, and I feel like the whole process has been amazingly painless thus far.

I first started hearing about Suporn's technique about a year ago, and was really impressed with his results. However, I've recently learned that his beautiful inner labia and clit hoods seem to be dependent on his patients being uncircumcized, since he uses foreskin tissue to construct them. His website says that circumcision isn't a problem, but I'd really like to have mucosal labia minora, and I'm concerned that his technique can't accomplish that.

I know that Marci Bowers uses a graft from the urethral mucosa to create her inner labia, which is an appealing technique, but I'm apprehensive about the penile inversion method since I don't have an enormous amount of donor material (5" erect) to work with. I also think that, in general, Suporn's aesthetics (proportions, clit hooding, three dimensional structure) are rather better than Bowers's.

So, I'm looking for info! Has anyone here been to Suporn who was circumcised? How happy are you with your results in terms of aesthetics and lubrication? Does anyone know if Suporn does anything special with urethral mucosa the way Bowers does?

Thanks for helping me out! I'm looking forward to having my mind made up... eventually.

Also, you really don't need to worry about donor tissue unless you have, like, a micropenis.  It's not really as much about length as people often insinuate; 5 inches of penile skin erect should be plenty when it comes to creation of the vaginal vault, especially because they stretch that skin completely taut.

I do have to concede that the results of Suporn's that I've seen have struck me as more aesthetically pleasing, but, well, you go with what you want.  I'm going to Brassard, who uses all the urethral mucosa for different stuff and whose results I found really compelling, but whatever works best for you is probably the right choice!

[Emily Ray]

I know Dr McGinn uses the urethral lining to make her inner labia. I have several friends who have gone to her and they are all pleased with their results. I believe that most of the big surgeons in the united states are using a very similar method. As one poster replied results are individual.

Huggs

Emily

[ril]

What does Suporn do with the urethral mucosa?

[Bishounen]

The best way to be happy with the choise of Surgeon, is simply to look at pics of the works of the surgeons one is choosing between.

Marci's and Suporn's vaginas are both high class but are both quite different in apparence, so the best would really be that you watch and compare pictures of their SRS-results and choose the one that resembles the most what you are looking for.

[stldrmgrl]

The best way to be happy with the choise of Surgeon, is simply to look at pics of the works of the surgeons one is choosing between.

Marci's and Suporn's vaginas are both high class but are both quite different in apparence, so the best would really be that you watch and compare pictures of their SRS-results and choose the one that resembles the most what you are looking for.

Aesthetically speaking, yes.  Functionally speaking, not quite.  An "eye pleasing" vagina [externally] does not necessarily constitute or imply [the possibility of] complete functionality in sensation, lubrication (cleansing) and/or depth.  When determining which surgeon you want operating on you, I feel it is important to evaluate all aspects of the end result you may receive.  In doing so, the surgical method used to create the neovagina, by far, is highly important far beyond just cosmetic appearance.  I, personally, would never choose a surgeon based off photographs alone.

[ril]

The best way to be happy with the choise of Surgeon, is simply to look at pics of the works of the surgeons one is choosing between.

I haven't found a lot of images of Suporn results out there besides on his website, especially not from patients who were circumcised pre-op.

[Elainagirl59]

Hi Ril,

Have you tried contacting Dr Suporn with your questions? You can contact the clinic via email:  admin@supornclinic.com

Also there is a support group for Dr Suporn patients on Yahoo:  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/dr_s_club/
You need a profile on Yahoo and the group is moderated so it would take a few days at least to gain access.
I was looking through the pictures and the searched the forum messages there, and unfortunately there isn't much
info that directly answers your questions.  If you were to join you could ask the question. 

Best Wishes,
Elaina

[ril]

It seems like all anyone on dr_s_club wants to talk about is depth. It's kind of depressing.

The conclusion I'm reaching is that for circumcised patients, Suporn's technique does not create mucosal labia minora, which would make a Bowers-style vagina using externalized urethral mucosa superior from my standpoint. The fact that I have not yet found a single statement regarding Suporn's use of the urethral mucosa is frankly disturbing. He ought at least to be using it as part of the neovaginal graft, for lubrication.

[ril]

I've been corresponding with Dr. Suporn's assistant, Sophie, and I just had to post this bit of epic cattiness:

2.) Does Dr. Suporn consider the use of urethral mucosa in lieu of a prepucial flap?

2. No. His technique tends to be similar in every case. May I please ask you to help us understand why you feel it might be important to change his technique and material usage in your case, when what he does has been so successful over 2000 times? Are you a surgeon, perhaps?

I find this remark extraordinarily condescending.  I am not a surgeon, but I am a trained biologist, and more importantly, I am a woman seeking an important, life-changing procedure. Whichever surgeon I choose, I will live with the results for the rest of my life. Going into this process with a full and detailed knowledge of the procedure is important to me.

Perhaps you should reconsider the tone you take with potential clients. Dr. Suporn was far and away my first choice when I emailed you, but this conversation has not be encouraging.

What an astonishingly unpleasant person.