Yes, you pass. Ummm, no you don't.

[mixie]

The most disturbing part of this latest debate to me is someone using another members picture to make a point, admitting they don't even remember the persons name so obviously didn't get approval to use the pictures in such a way.

Now maybe she would be ok with it, maybe it's not against the rules, but the fact that it has happened without much care for the person in the pics, even with pronouns used, makes me wonder if I should ever consider posting once I get up the nerve to do so. I know I wouldn't want my personal pictures spread farther than where I myself post them.

The way I see it just because someone posts a pic of themselves on the board that doesn't give others free license to use it whenever they feel like it. As I said though I could be off base here, not sure how the mod's feel on the topic.

And this is not meant as an attack on anyone, just a concern I feel needs to be voiced.

I feel the exact same way.

[Sarah Louise]

Unfortunately once you put a picture on the web others can find the link and use it improperly.

Your right, no one should use a picture of anyone other than themselves without express permission.   We missed it or we would have removed the post.

We try to run a friendly and safe site, but things happen, we miss things, we don't act fast enough.  We do our best.

[Amalina]

Unfortunately once you put a picture on the web others can find the link and use it improperly.

Your right, no one should use a picture of anyone other than themselves without express permission.   We missed it or we would have removed the post.

We try to run a friendly and safe site, but things happen, we miss things, we don't act fast enough.  We do our best.

I totally understand the first sentence, it's really just more personal when the pic originates from the same forum. It kinda spreads it out more than a person may want it to, ya know?

Also I was more meaning the respect factor of other posters, I understand mod's can't do everything right away. I've been a mod and admin at various forums for years now and know it's a really hard job for a volunteer position. I try to respect mods a lot because of my experience, assuming they don't abuse powers which thankfully I haven't noticed here yet.

Just wanted to make clear I wasn't trying to harp on mods really, it may of came off that way if so I'm sorry. :icon_hug"

[Stephe]

Totally not true, and, you know it, too.

If you truly are saying that you cannot tell that at least three of the persons on the photosets had very masculine facial features, then you are deliberately not telling the truth.

What disturbs me is you can't seem to post your feelings without being then told what you think, what you really said and that you're a liar. 

[AbraCadabra]

How about having a pole of who

-   wants,
-   needs,
-   likes,
-   does not want,
-   does not like FFS ... in order to pass.

Could be interesting?

Axélle

[Alainaluvsu]

I want FFS, but I think those that get it are like, cheating. I'm far more impressed if you are a 100%ish passable woman with hormones only. I want to be 100% passable but .. ick I got a ways to go lol.

[Eve87]

I want FFS, but I think those that get it are like, cheating. I'm far more impressed if you are a 100%ish passable woman with hormones only. I want to be 100% passable but .. ick I got a ways to go lol.

I don't think it's "cheating" at all. People look different. It's just stupid genetics and out of our hands. I pass well without FFS but that doesn't make me proud or anything. It's sheer dumb luck which is an odd thing to be proud of.

[eli77]

I find it strange that everyone is assuming the only reason people get FFS is to pass. Most of the girls in my age range who have it done are already easily passable. They get FFS 'cause they are uncomfortable with themselves, not 'cause of social issues. I personally had no passing issues before I had any work done.

And I totally agree it is cheating. Awesome, awesome cheating. Just like SRS is cheating. And hormones are cheating. And every single medical and surgical intervention is cheating.

I relate far, far better to the image I see in the mirror now than I did before I transitioned.

I am a very happy artificial construct. I tried "natural." It sucks.

[Tazia of the Omineca]

I find it strange that everyone is assuming the only reason people get FFS is to pass. Most of the girls in my age range who have it done are already easily passable. They get FFS 'cause they are uncomfortable with themselves, not 'cause of social issues. I personally had no passing issues before I had any work done.

And I totally agree it is cheating. Awesome, awesome cheating. Just like SRS is cheating. And hormones are cheating. And every single medical and surgical intervention is cheating.

I relate far, far better to the image I see in the mirror now than I did before I transitioned.

I am a very happy artificial construct. I tried "natural." It sucks.

I like you more now.

[Alainaluvsu]

Cheating isnt the right word i guess... its just like...

When im looking on youtube for some assurance that even i could look pretty 1 day, if they had FFS i dont even want to watch the vids because i think "well your change isnt as impressive". Nothing against these girls, im gonna go for ffs too if i can! But it just kinda sucks the "omg awesome!!" Out of it, i guess.

[Keaira]

The ones who don't have FFS I think, have to work a little harder to pass. But there again, FFS is not a guarintee, but another part of the whole presentation. What I'd get done is minor and one of those 'If I had the money' things that you wish for. In all honesty, even as I am, I'm happier than I've ever been. And that's more important to me than what others think of me. I can look in the mirror and see the real me. I've taken more photos of myself in 10 months than I ever have in my entire life, I come in to work with a smile on my face and people have noticed I smile a lot more.

And that attitude goes an extremely long way.

[Tazia of the Omineca]

Yeah people notice smiles.
A lot of people.

[kelly_aus]

The ones who don't have FFS I think, have to work a little harder to pass. But there again, FFS is not a guarintee, but another part of the whole presentation. What I'd get done is minor and one of those 'If I had the money' things that you wish for. In all honesty, even as I am, I'm happier than I've ever been. And that's more important to me than what others think of me. I can look in the mirror and see the real me. I've taken more photos of myself in 10 months than I ever have in my entire life, I come in to work with a smile on my face and people have noticed I smile a lot more.

And that attitude goes an extremely long way.

Stop reading my mind Keaira... Except I couldn't give a pair of fetid dingo's kidneys for any kind of FFS..

[Keaira]

Stop reading my mind Keaira... Except I couldn't give a pair of fetid dingo's kidneys for any kind of FFS..

well, what can I say? it's true.

[Tazia of the Omineca]

I'm thinking of getting some FFS, like to remove the eyebrow ridge. Yuck!
I've always hated that part of my face.

[Tori]

Whatever floats your boat.

Beauty comes in many packages and the most beautiful faces people agree upon are slightly andro.

You may not like your brow, but girl, I bet 90%+ people here envy your natural beauty. If you take all your maleness away, you may overcompensate.

I would certainly give the HRT a bit more time if I were you... but I am not.

That said, I hate my ridge more than my receding hair.

[Tazia of the Omineca]

Maybe they do, I just don't like the brow.
Everything else is perfectly fine for me though.

Just that damn brow, mostly because my brother used to make fun of me for it...
So I feel self conscious about that.

[Dahlia]

Wrinkles happen, most women have them so being a "bag of wrinkles" has nothing to do with passing.

Yes, it does. Heavy wrinkles and saggings have a masculinising effect.

Take a look at older women with heavily wrinkled and sagging faces. That, and thinning hair too, makes them look like older men.

[Lady_Oracle]

Regarding the whole picture issue. There are deterrents you can put in the site to prevent the average computer user from saving pics

[Jay-Bird]

What is wrong with you Bishoen.  I think it is  very very inappropriate for you to post up a picture of a member on this site and then accuse people of making statements about them.  Stephe did not say at all what you are saying she said.  Obviously FFS or any form of plastic surgery is a personal choice.  There is not one right answer.    Trying to push one person's choice as the right choice for everyone else is wrong.  And so is your judgement that some transwomen who don't look "feminine" enough should get FFS or they will never pass.  That's just a ridiculous generalization.

^ this, couldn't agree more.
FFS is a choice, it is something you do for you not anyone else.
If you feel you want it because it will help you feel more confident or just plain happier then there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. (my experience)
This journey is such a personal one, we are all individuals with different needs and wants, I think people forget that sometimes - just because we are all trans doesn't mean we are all the same. Better to be respectful of others choices and ideals.

Jay-Bird