mental ill desorder

[Felix]

No I'm sorry too. I didn't mean to be arguing and stuff. I just moved up north a few years ago, and I've never lived outside the states.

Re your original question, I do understand why some people don't want it taken out of the official category of mental illness. If there's any gap between having a mental health diagnostic category and having a physical health diagnostic category, then a lot of people lose access to treatment. That's a bit of a scary prospect.

[Natkat]

No I'm sorry too. I didn't mean to be arguing and stuff. I just moved up north a few years ago, and I've never lived outside the states.

Re your original question, I do understand why some people don't want it taken out of the official category of mental illness. If there's any gap between having a mental health diagnostic category and having a physical health diagnostic category, then a lot of people lose access to treatment. That's a bit of a scary prospect.

you mean canada?
I see,

I cant speak for anywhere ells by my own,
the people here who want it too stay as a mentall illness are as I see it either,

1; non transgendered people who dosent belive in being transgender, or who see that it must be a mentall illness if you wanna do surgery or take homones the rest of your life.

2; transexuals who belive we wont be able to get help without. currently theres no rule for being transexual, the only threatment is to be dignosed and by then be mentall ill to be helped, or you can go beyond that system to find some privat doctors or travel to another country.
many people arnt satified with the threatment you get by the goverment but some belive it to at least BE a threatment and we can make it better but then we should not remove it, other people say the dignose of it to be a mentall illness also is the cause of why transgenders are been theanten so badly.

[Felix]

Pretty close to canada, honestly. Northwest oregon.

I'm in the second category but I want to change that. I'm just not sure how.

[Natkat]

Pretty close to canada, honestly. Northwest oregon.

I'm in the second category but I want to change that. I'm just not sure how.

I heard a rumous about people from US moved to canada because GLBT rights are better there,
I dont know if its true.
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wha do you mean by your the second one but wanna change it??

[Tippe]

It's nice to see this discussion coming up.

I like to let you know that there are still a few days left for you to tell WHO to drop transgender people from the disorders of adult behavior and personality section. Here is how:
https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,112979.0.html


Happy holidays!

[Felix]

I heard a rumous about people from US moved to canada because GLBT rights are better there,
I dont know if its true.
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wha do you mean by your the second one but wanna change it??

I mean I want it to stay a mental illness so I'll have a diagnostic category and get treatment, but I don't like that and I want it to be more generally accepted as a physical problem.

[Tippe]

I mean I want it to stay a mental illness so I'll have a diagnostic category and get treatment, but I don't like that and I want it to be more generally accepted as a physical problem.

Felix, which specific treatments do you want for your dysphoria?

[Felix]

Felix, which specific treatments do you want for your dysphoria?

Are you driving at something? Just to make it clear, I'm not shilling for any specific section of medicine, or for any political category. I just need a diagnostic code for billing, and it can't stop being a mental health dx until it officially falls into the purview of some other specialty.

The treatments I want blur into the civil rights I want. I need help presenting how I want to, and I need people's expectations for how I present to be less rigid. And I need to be safer in day to day life.

[Tippe]

I think there are alternatives already when it comes to billing.

Let's say a transman wants hormonal treatment. Usually he will be born without testicles, thus the doctor could code the appointment as Q55.0 Absence and aplasia of testis. You could talk about the possibilities, effects, and any fears you may have regarding hormone treatment and in the end provide informed consent to start treatment.
You may also need assistance as your voice develops, which could be provided under the code R49.0 Dysphonia.

Later in the process you may approach the doctor again. Being a person with excessive breast growth you will classify as N62 Hypertrophy of breasts and be able to speak with the doctor about the possible treatments and provide informed consent prior to treatment.

Same goes for bottom surgery. Using Q55.0 again you may have testicular implants and using Q55.5 Congenital absence and aplasia of penis you may even have meteidoplasty or phalloplasty as required.

Notice that NONE of these codes are by definition restricted to persons of a certain chromosomal sex. As for the acceptance and recognition part I cannot see how that will benefit from classifying gender variant people as mentally ill either. On the contrary homosexuals have gained a lot of respect and rights during the decades following their depathologization.

[Felix]

Yeah but those codings only ever happen with super friendly doctors. They aren't standard.

[ByeBye]

Homosexuality and lesbianism are mental illnesses but so many legislators and teachers are G or L or B that their internalised shame made them declassify their afflictions in order to purge the guilt.
As many G and Ls hate TS they ensured TSism was kept as a mental illness despite all evidence to the contrary.
That's my take on it anyway.

No, Your take on it is wrong. people are born that way. Sexual attraction is an automatic reponse. I'm bisexual. I can attest to this.

[Hayzer12]

I just want to say to whoever said homosexuality is a mental illness is wrong

It's a physiological birth defect, just as being trans is - except they're two different defects

Homosexuality is a defect on a chromosome, while being trans has to do with brain development.

Now, I'm gonna flash outta here so I can get up in 3 hours 

[Kreuzfidel]

Homosexuality is a birth defect?  What exactly makes a sexuality "defective"?  That just makes me uneasy.

[Bishounen]

I just want to say to whoever said homosexuality is a mental illness is wrong

It's a physiological birth defect, just as being trans is - except they're two different defects

Homosexuality is a defect on a chromosome, while being trans has to do with brain development.

Now, I'm gonna flash outta here so I can get up in 3 hours 

I do agree that homosexuality is Congenital as all the Scientific Research have pointed towards Homosexuality being biological in its cause and not Psychological.
However, I have so far not come across any study that talks about it being Chromosomal, so could you enlighten me on what Cromosome it is that is afflicted?

I do know, however, that the cause for many MTF's are Chromosomal, as many MTF-people have Klinefelters and hence possess one or up to two extra X-Chromosomes, but I did not know this regarding homosexuals.

Certainly there are Homosexuals with this affliction(Klinefelters) but I do doubt very much that each and every homosexual male have this condition.
From what the studies have shown, the cause, even with Homosexuals, seems to be Neurobiological.

[Tippe]

It's a physiological birth defect, just as being trans is - except they're two different defects

I do not consider myself defective, I am an expression of uniqueness.
Nature loves variety - unfortunately society does not.

By the way, check out our proposal for a non-psychiatric model on gender care:
http://www.change.org/petitions/icd11-committee-de-pathologize-gender-variation