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I'm Ugly as a Guy, I'm Going to Be a Really Ugly Woman. i have no hope left

Started by sysm29, December 29, 2011, 09:31:46 PM

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sysm29

I'm not even going to bother putting pictures up, trust me.  I'm hideous.

Even if I'm not the ugliest person on the face of the earth, I'm not good looking, never have been...

I've tried living with it, but it's becoming more and more unbearable.  I don't even leave my house unless I absolutely have to because I'm ashamed, embarrassed and humiliated to be seen outside with this face.

I'm coming to a realization and its becoming worse with age that even the FFS that I'm planning is not going to make me look good... I highly doubt I will ever pass as a woman and even if I do - I'll spend eternity being this ugly, awkward woman.  Who the hell is going to hire me? 

All these fantasies of being beautiful are never going to come true.  All of these years of thinking I'm going to be beautiful when this is all over... it's a delusion.

All I see in pictures, in the mirror, in my webcam - is this ugly man who's looking older everyday.  This ugly man that looks like he's about to die because he looks so sick.  This ugly man with this receding hairline - my god I cant believe I have a receding hairline, Im 26!!!  but there it is, its there and its just one more ugly thing...

I've spent an entire year of my life thinking about nothing but FFS, this obsession with plastic surgery, this hope that I'm going to be transformed from this ugly man into this beautiful woman.... when it's just not going to happen for me.

What do I do now?  I have no idea... but I sure as hell can't make it through this.  If I don't transition, nothing will change, I'll always be this miserable, tortured creature but I think I'm done with the dreaming.  It'll have to die.

I would sell my soul to the Devil to be a beautiful woman.  I never would have said that before because I believe in good and going to Heaven, but my God, I'm done for now, I swear I would.  Anything, anything to be the woman I've wanted to be for so long - and to wake up from this horrible, horrible nightmare - this torture of the mind that never ends ... It is a god damn hell and im dying more and more every day.
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fionabell

Most men are living in a nightmare. It's perfectly natural.

Steve Irwin is an example of being a man who is happy
Note: this is rare.

Steve Irwin:


If you want to be happy get into nature and get a nice hippy lady to enjoy it with you.
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carissa

I'm sure you've heard this before, but the results of hormones as well as FFS can create a completely different person.  Though I feel confident that after much work, I'll be able to be beautiful, I can relate in a way due to my height.  I'm 6'5 and lifted weights and tried to be macho in order to "fit in" and "hide" what I was dealing with from everyone else.  So I have a few obstacles to face but I'm facing them because being a woman is all I want now.  I'm tired of living a lie.  I may never pass either due to looks or height, but da*nit I'm gonna become the person I'm suppose to be.  I dont have any "tips" or anything like that, but what I can say is that if being a woman is something you truly are suppose to be, then do it and let that natural you shine.  So many other transwomen have overcome a variety of obstacles and I feel like we all can overcome any obstacle thrown at us in transistion if we have the willpower. 
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MsDazzler

Isn't this familiar.... someone else had a similar thread about her frustration about where her life is going... you might want to peek into that thread and see what we had to say.... go back through few pages of previous threads and you should find it
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RhinoP

The reality is that there are a lot of plastic surgery procedures out there - nose surgery, jaw surgery, chin surgery, brow surgery, cheek surgery (bone and fat), hair transplants, ect ect. Then there's laser hair removal, form-fitting clothes and wigs (clothes and hairstyles designed to put less emphasis on tall, broad, or thick women), make-up, and even glasses or big hairbows and hats to put less emphasis on a large face. With enough money (the big problem), I've always been convinced that improvement is possible on literally anyone. Hormones feminize the skin and take care of oil and acne (and slowly stop hair thickness/balding). There's a lot of changes out there.

I mean, I think I look like a monster, but I can see very well what my face would look like with FFS and I believe in it very much. Sometimes the line between male and female is not so obvious, and like with my own face, I only want minimal changes (just a nose and brow surgery) because I've found plenty of beautiful women who resemble what I will look like with those features. I haven't found any women who resemble what I look like now (and men-wise, only ugly, nerdy basement men, like Jack Black), but with just a bit of surgery, I believe small things can do revolutional changes.

Now, maybe you need the whole Extreme Make-Over, or maybe you need to find more examples of women who you would resemble after a few smaller changes - either way, without even seeing you, I would say improvement is 99% of the time possible, and if you don't even fully pass, it can be more about expressing your personality, surgically achieving softer features even as a man or woman or androgyne, so that your personality shines through more realistically. I believe there's always something "closer" to the goal than what you're feeling like now, and if you post pictures, someone may be able to give some advice on specifically what changes you may need.
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Arch

You might ask yourself what will make you happy with yourself. Are you a woman? Can you stand to live as a man? Are you willing to take your chances with hormones and surgery? Would you be happier as an average-looking woman or even a not-particularly-attractive woman than as any kind of man?

Before you give up hope, remember that a lot of trans people, particularly the women, have a fairly distorted view of their own attractiveness. Even I did this...I used to think I looked pretty horrible, but now that I'm living as a man, I can see an old picture of myself and realize that I was pretty cute before I gained so much weight. I just wasn't a girl.

What's your standard of attractiveness? I used to be with a guy that most people considered quite homely. He was skinny as a rail, wore glasses, and had a big nose and a funny-looking mouth. I thought he was the cutest thing on the planet.

There are things you can do for hair loss that might help right now. Also, if you're not on estrogen or at least hormone blockers, you have no idea what your face will look like down the road. Not to mention that a good surgeon can do wonders for a masculine-appearing face.

If you're feeling desperate, keep talking to your therapist. And keep coming to Susan's. We've all had our ups and downs, and we'll support you all we can.
"The hammer is my penis." --Captain Hammer

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Felix

everybody's house is haunted
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Dana_H

Call me Dana. Call me Cait. Call me Kat. Just don't call me late for dinner.
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Nero

If in your words, you've 'never been good looking as a guy', why do you have such high expectations of yourself as a beautiful woman? All women aren't models or meet society's standards of beauty. Most don't and for the few who do - that beauty is very fleeting.
It sounds like you have this idealized view of yourself as a woman. You can live a fulfilling life as a woman even if you aren't 'beautiful'.
Nero was the Forum Admin here at Susan's Place for several years up to the time of his death.
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Zarania

Quote from: sysm29 on December 29, 2011, 09:31:46 PM
this hope that I'm going to be transformed from this ugly man into this beautiful woman.... when it's just not going to happen for me.



i can tell that you're one of those guys who want transition to become a goodlooking girl.

your problem is not being transgender, your problem is somewhere else, see a psychologist.

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Torn1990

 :( you're going to be okay, and you are beautiful.
I had this concern as well, my focus on my appearance is really high.
I will not be an attractive woman in the eyes of many, but I think
finding feminism has helped me discover that my concept of beauty
was distorted. You can find the beautiful woman in you. Stay strong <3
 
queer, transgender woman, Feminist, & writer. ~
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MsDazzler

Quote from: Dana_H on December 29, 2011, 10:38:28 PM
There are no ugly women. I firmly believe that.

Oh, that is a very Pollyanna attitude.  ::)

Quote from: Zarania on December 29, 2011, 10:59:39 PM
i can tell that you're one of those guys who want transition to become a goodlooking girl.

your problem is not being transgender, your problem is somewhere else, see a psychologist.


+1 to this with a caveat - people can want to transition from one gender to another gender based on apperances and still be transgender

Didn't we have a thread similar in this vein, "If you knew you couldn't pass, would you have transitioned anyway?" few weeks ago?

Here - I did you the courtesy and found you that thread... maybe it would be some comfort to you to read about others' in that thread

https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,112366.0.html

And didn't you make a similar thread on December 7?

https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,111768.0.html
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Annah

Quote from: Zarania on December 29, 2011, 10:59:39 PM
i can tell that you're one of those guys who want transition to become a goodlooking girl.

your problem is not being transgender, your problem is somewhere else, see a psychologist.

While the delivery was harsh, this may be true.

You don't transition to become a cover model for Marie Claire, rather, you transition to become yourself.

And based on your last two topic threads you started, I think you need to go through general therapy first before even thinking about transitioning because, based on the things you have written in the past, transitioning will chew you up and leave you on a curb. Transitioning doesn't cure many issues you have. It may make it worse.

I don't know....call it tough love, but I just can't write "oh honey, you'll be fine" because I would be a disservice to you if I did that.
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Annah

Quote from: R&T-Place on December 29, 2011, 10:02:35 PM
The reality is that there are a lot of plastic surgery procedures out there - nose surgery, jaw surgery, chin surgery, brow surgery, cheek surgery (bone and fat), hair transplants, ect ect. Then there's laser hair removal, form-fitting clothes and wigs (clothes and hairstyles designed to put less emphasis on tall, broad, or thick women), make-up, and even glasses or big hairbows and hats to put less emphasis on a large face. With enough money (the big problem), I've always been convinced that improvement is possible on literally anyone. Hormones feminize the skin and take care of oil and acne (and slowly stop hair thickness/balding). There's a lot of changes out there.

Plastic surgery addiction is extremely high with people who feel that their life's issues can be cured away by the scalpel. It isn't that easy.

Surgery should be for those who want to look nicer and/or to fit the gender presentation better. It should never be used to "cure" severe self esteem disorders.
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kelly_aus

Quote from: Annah on December 30, 2011, 12:06:29 AM
While the delivery was harsh, this may be true.

You don't transition to become a cover model for Marie Claire, rather, you transition to become yourself.

Indeed.. I had a choice between being a dead man or a live woman.. And looks be damned, I'm living my life for me, not any one else or their expectations.. Am I ever going to be a 'classically beautiful' woman? No, probably not, but that's not all that important. And despite what some around here may say, it hasn't stopped me from attracting guys.. (or girls for that matter!)
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Mahsa Tezani

Quote from: Annah on December 30, 2011, 12:13:53 AM
Plastic surgery addiction is extremely high with people who feel that their life's issues can be cured away by the scalpel. It isn't that easy.

Surgery should be for those who want to look nicer and/or to fit the gender presentation better. It should never be used to "cure" severe self esteem disorders.

I admit...I've had extensive plastic surgery and I want more more more!

I also want to DP with the robot guys on Daft Punk.
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JohnAlex

I think you're way harder on yourself than anyone else will ever be.  Most people don't look like a model, and then never will.  Yet most people still have friends that love them.  So I think society produces this image that all we can about is looks, but in reality that's not true at all.  I mean, sure there are some vain people who do only care about looks in friends/partners/employees.  but in my experience, I don't think that's the majority.  And I know I personally see right through looks.  I just like people if I like their personality.

Nothing's wrong with wanting to look good according to your own standards, but I think you should be realistic, and then be satisfied.  Because so what if you are "ugly" according to society's idea of "beauty"?  Unless you're trying to be a model, it's really not going to affect your quality of life.  Put on some nice clothes, and companies will hire you.  Be a nice person, and people will like you.

And I know you want to look good for yourself too, but try to ask yourself, Do I think this feature about me is ugly because I think so?  Or do I only think this feature makes me ugly because society taught me so?


When I was a younger teenager, before I had braces I had horribly crooked teeth.  and I remember this one time at a church, this old lady saw me, and went up to me and was like, "Oh, your smile is so adorable!  I just have this thing for crooked teeth.  I think it's so beautiful!"  Go figure, right?  But I just thought that was awesome thing she can find beauty in unlikely places.  Society obviously wasn't telling her what to think! lol.

I don't know if you like guys or girls, but whoever your soul mate is, they will be someone who loves you for who you are, and who also loves your features because they make you who you are.

Maybe just try to relax a little, and focus on thing at a time.  Not, what would you like to change most about yourself.  but what would you like to change about yourself that is within your reach in the near future?
I don't know what features those are.  but for example, if it were your hair, you could start growing it out.  And researching products to prevent hair loss, and products to help with the quality of your hair and help it to be healthy and strong.  You'll feel like you're making progress, and then when you succeed in that goal, you'll feel confident and pretty, and feel better about yourself.
Just start in little places.  Don't overwhelm yourself by thinking about every little thing that is not "perfect" about your appearance.  And have realistic goals too, nothing is ever perfect.  Even models have to get "touched up" by a computer afterwards.

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Felix

Quote from: Mahsa the disco shark on December 30, 2011, 12:30:59 AM
I admit...I've had extensive plastic surgery and I want more more more!

I also want to DP with the robot guys on Daft Punk.

I just had to repeat that. DP with the robot guys in Daft Punk is pretty serious business. :angel:
everybody's house is haunted
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Mahsa Tezani

Quote from: Felix on December 30, 2011, 01:55:18 AM
I just had to repeat that. DP with the robot guys in Daft Punk is pretty serious business. :angel:

Double Pen.
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Felix

everybody's house is haunted
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