Is this still the MTF forum or is it the ex gay men forum

[Ultimus]

What's the big deal? Read the threads that you want to read and ignore the ones that are so offensive to you. It's not that hard.

[drvotion86]

Popcorn is gone

I was a former gay boy.
Yes, boy.
I was never a man

Saying man to yourself sounds like the dirtiest word ever. I was never a man either =)

[MyAlias]

It is hard to convey humor through typing.

very very true!

[Mahsa Tezani]

Sounds like more "->-bleeped-<-r than thou" rhetoric. Just because I used to be a gay male, doesn't make me any less "trans" than any of you. Sure, I had a head start with hair, makeup, socialization, and being feminine than many of you. But I feel my personal identity to be more on the "gay male" side because someone on the net once said some bad stuff.

Even though I am past that stuff now...I feel it is part of my identity. I am still trans...

[MacKenzie]

  Lol Mahsa, to be honest I find these  "im better then you cuz of my sexual orientation" arguments rather annoying *pops another aspirin* anywho I think everyone needs to chill out and relax life is to short to argue over silly little things like sex.

  Shelly I understand your frustration, I think both sides (homosexual & heterosexual) have a problem with letting go of who they once were. I used to be a gay male before transition (cringes at the thought of being male) maybe not a super flamboyant one like some here but attracted to men none the less and yet I don't feel the need to bring up my past as a gay male because i've moved on with my old life. I have new memories to talk about, memories of my true self as female and that's all that matters to me now.

  Point is living in the past is really just a waste of time. I live in the present and I have to admit my future is looking pretty gosh darn good from here!    

[mixie]

Mahsa, honestly you're the only one on this site so far   (of course a soon as I said that Asha did LOL) that I've seen identify as a gay male.   I'm still new here and not around that much but I don't get the same vibe the OP seems to get.

However you say you are not hung up but I have seen you, Mahsa again, sort of derail some threads into arguments about how having a penis and having sex with your penis doesn't mean you aren't a woman and that sort of turns the whole conversation into a debate about what IS means.

You know what I mean.   I don't think anyone should ever give another person advice unless they ask for it.  Even if you think you (by this I am speaking in general) think you are helping someone or being "brutally honest" etc, it crosses a line over into "none of your business."

Because the truth is, just as hard as it is to convey humor online,  it's hard to convey truth online or really understand where the other person is coming from.

Just that's my humble opinion.

Happy New Year Y'all.

[Annah]

I'm sorry for sounding sarcastic but I have become more of a lurker on this site because it just seems to be about sexual orientation rather then transition.

I am not transitioning to change my sexual orientation and my sexual orientation is not the driving force behind my transition. I personally don't care what anyone's sexual preference is. I don't see how this is even relevant to transition unless the reason your transitioning is to improve your sex life or to make it more congruent to your current lifestyle.

Sex and sexual preference is bound to come up from time to time in any transgendered forum, I just think it shouldn't be the central topic of a forum unless thats what the forum was meant for. I think a great suggestion is to create another sub forum called "Gay men that want to be woman" I don't mean this in disrespect I am just calling a spade a spade. I also am not calling any MTF's that are attracted to men "men" I would never do that and would hope no one else would.

I will still lurk around this site from time to time but I don't feel the need to post anymore since my inquirers or statements will be not be needed or answered.

P.S I'm also disgusted that people don't have the courtesy to inform another if they don't feel like communicating further. I come to this site for support and to hopfully meet or communicate with someone that may have the same or simular concerns and issues as myself. It seems many of these people aren't what they say they are. I don't feel the need or connection so to speak to PM many people on this forum but I guese the ones I have PM'ed, must of meant something else in their posts!

SEE YA!!!!

not to sound blunt but if you don't like the ex gay men threads then create your own threads.

No one is forcing you to just lurk. You have the ability to create your own posts.

[Mahsa Tezani]

Mahsa, honestly you're the only one on this site so far   (of course a soon as I said that Asha did LOL) that I've seen identify as a gay male.   I'm still new here and not around that much but I don't get the same vibe the OP seems to get.

However you say you are not hung up but I have seen you, Mahsa again, sort of derail some threads into arguments about how having a penis and having sex with your penis doesn't mean you aren't a woman and that sort of turns the whole conversation into a debate about what IS means.

You know what I mean.   I don't think anyone should ever give another person advice unless they ask for it.  Even if you think you (by this I am speaking in general) think you are helping someone or being "brutally honest" etc, it crosses a line over into "none of your business."

Because the truth is, just as hard as it is to convey humor online,  it's hard to convey truth online or really understand where the other person is coming from.

Just that's my humble opinion.

Happy New Year Y'all.

I do have sex with my penis...No one knew I did? Viva viagra!

I assumed I was Benita Bizzare and everyone else was the Bugaloos.

I guess I was wrong... Now to watch DIVINE and bask in its fabulousness.

[Just Shelly]

What's the big deal? Read the threads that you want to read and ignore the ones that are so offensive to you. It's not that hard.

That's the problem, there's been way too many to ignore!

I really dont understand the fuss. People will talk about what they wanna talk about. Everyone should be free to do so. People will not always agree, so arguements happen.

If you don't agree with a topic don't read it, I think its childish to get bent out of shape over something on a forum.

I'm not bent out of shape, I think I'm in fairly decent shape!

I never said I disagree, its just the topics lately have been really gay. (no pun intended) I never thought being gay or is not gay hmmm...was a prerequisite to becoming a MTF or is it just a woman.

It would be nice to just talk normal gender or nongender topics. I realize its easy to get off topic, I have lurked a few times on the beauty and woman forums on CL, most of the time the posts are not about "women's issues" or "baeuty" which is fine but posts in some of those forums can get way out bounds at times. You will definitely find out what the meaning of b*** and Cu** are on those forums.

[Mahsa Tezani]

That's the problem, there's been way too many to ignore!
I'm not bent out of shape, I think I'm in fairly decent shape!

I never said I disagree, its just the topics lately have been really gay. (no pun intended) I never thought being gay or is not gay hmmm...was a prerequisite to becoming a MTF or is it just a woman.

It would be nice to just talk normal gender or nongender topics. I realize its easy to get off topic, I have lurked a few times on the beauty and woman forums on CL, most of the time the posts are not about "women's issues" or "baeuty" which is fine but posts in some of those forums can get way out bounds at times. You will definitely find out what the meaning of b*** and Cu** are on those forums.

Gay men are socialized around women more. They have more of an excuse for being feminine and can integrate into heterosexual society much easier than a lot of transbians. I intend to have no children or raise a family.

I can't change who I used to be. I still listen to Madonna everyday and I am still the "gay best friend" to several of my GG friends. I am happy that way and many of us here know just because we transition, it won't erase our past as "males". The "men" we used to be are very much part of us still.

Transition is largely about appearances...then socialization. I don't become a fire hazard around straight people... Nor do I act fabulous around my Mother. But I can't deny that is who I once was and I am not ashamed of living as male. In fact, I am the opposite...I am proud. I am proud to have been born male.

[mixie]

That's the problem, there's been way too many to ignore!
I'm not bent out of shape, I think I'm in fairly decent shape!

I never said I disagree, its just the topics lately have been really gay. (no pun intended) I never thought being gay or is not gay hmmm...was a prerequisite to becoming a MTF or is it just a woman.

It would be nice to just talk normal gender or nongender topics. I realize its easy to get off topic, I have lurked a few times on the beauty and woman forums on CL, most of the time the posts are not about "women's issues" or "baeuty" which is fine but posts in some of those forums can get way out bounds at times. You will definitely find out what the meaning of b*** and Cu** are on those forums.

How long have you been around?  Because it didn't seem like that on here last month?  Is it just that you are engaging with threads that discuss these issues.  I would think that there is a difference between someone who embraced and enjoyed being a gay male before deciding to transition and those  who thought they were gay out of confusion regarding their sexual identity.

Also it is easier to sort of glam it up in the gay community and so that might have served as a respite.

Start and participate in threads that talk about the issues you want to discuss.  Even ignore people that maybe trigger this in you and sort of draw you into the conversation.

[MsDazzler]

Lol, I am probably one of the annoying posters that triggered Shelly's tirade with creating a lot of gay-related threads (to give me some credit, I do create a lot of non-gay threads, right? I even gave you guys a "chick" thread to post in.  )

Frankly, like I said in another thread, certain people here seems to get all hissy and their feathers ruffled if homosexuality, specifically gay male ones and acknowledging/discussing homosexuality in our current an past lives, is approached in threads. Why then can those same people, in the same breath, turn around and discuss lesbianism in the same breath?

It is so hypocriticial and homophobic that it boggles my mind.

For the OP to complain about the spate of gay-related threads is akin to a white person saying, "Enough with black-related threads already! I want to talk about being me - white!"

[Zarania]

interesting discussion my ladies.

im honored to read your posts.

please continue.

[drvotion86]

I dont and never considered myself a gay boy. I probably dont pay that much attention. I've been posting here for a bit. I dont think things have changed much. I like fun and what if topics.

I think its good to kinda talk about whats on your mind no matter what it would be? There are alot of different ppl who are mtf. We should all just get along and help eachother along. No matter how you identify. Honestly its just labels =).

[MsDazzler]

  Lol Mahsa, to be honest I find these  "im better then you cuz of my sexual orientation" arguments rather annoying *pops another aspirin* anywho I think everyone needs to chill out and relax life is to short to argue over silly little things like sex.

  Shelly I understand your frustration, I think both sides (homosexual & heterosexual) have a problem with letting go of who they once were. I used to be a gay male before transition (cringes at the thought of being male) maybe not a super flamboyant one like some here but attracted to men none the less and yet I don't feel the need to bring up my past as a gay male because i've moved on with my old life. I have new memories to talk about, memories of my true self as female and that's all that matters to me now.

  Point is living in the past is really just a waste of time. I live in the present and I have to admit my future is looking pretty gosh darn good from here!   

You and I already butted heads last night - With only 37 posts behind you, your credibility is pretty low and where do you get off throwing stones at the older posters here? Not so cool.

And the irony is that all of the letters in your name can be found in Mahsa's name 

-1

[Joeyboo~ :3]

Whenever someone complains about how they're tired of the whole "gay men" talk on the forums its obviously about Mahsa.

Someone is going to make me pull a Chris Crocker and defend her.
And I won't be nice about it.
There will be thrown chainsaws and razorblades.

[Mahsa Tezani]

Frankly, like I said in another thread, certain people here seems to get all hissy and their feathers ruffled if homosexuality, specifically gay male ones and acknowledging/discussing homosexuality in our current an past lives, is approached in threads. Why then can those same people, in the same breath, turn around and discuss lesbianism in the same breath?

It is so hypocriticial and homophobic that it boggles my mind.

Many lez mtfs are considered "gay" by ignorant members of society. If a man is transitioning to become a woman, he must be doin it to get sex from cismen. Not to mention the gay associations with drag and tg performing. I think it is just their way of experiencing what we have our entire lives.. Just because someone is transitioning, doesn't mean they are gonna change. Many heterosexual men who become transwomen aren't gonna be into gay men anymore than they were before. Many heterosexual people do not openly associate with gay people and I think much of this is brought to the table in the transcommunity.

[Mahsa Tezani]

And the irony is that all of the letters in your name can be found in Mahsa 

Trippy.

I smell aspiration to the level of the disco shark on Asha's part. LOL

[MsDazzler]

Many lez mtfs are considered "gay" by ignorant members of society. If a man is transitioning to become a woman, he must be doin it to get sex from cismen. Not to mention the gay associations with drag and tg performing. I think it is just their way of experiencing what we have our entire lives.. Just because someone is transitioning, doesn't mean they are gonna change. Many heterosexual men who become transwomen aren't gonna be into gay men anymore than they were before. Many heterosexual people do not openly associate with gay people and I think much of this is brought to the table in the transcommunity.

Exactly - this is finally being brought out in the open and we can see the ingrained homophobia mainfesting from some MTF posters who never have been around gay men and only have heard the "->-bleeped-<-got" word being slung around.

Also lesbianism always have had a double standard with hetero men, anyway. Gays, ewww, lesbians, hot - it s no surprise when they become translesbians, they have no problem with it.

[Mahsa Tezani]

Exactly - this is finally being brought out in the open and we can see the ingrained homophobia from some MTF posters who never have been around gay men and only have heard the "->-bleeped-<-got" word being slung around.

I find that many of the "butch" mtfs probably would have been the first to throw the term "->-bleeped-<-got" at us in their former lives. I mean my boyfriend admits he's bi on some level..But would never associate with any of my gay or queen friends. He said he doesn't like, "the idea of a man prancing around in a dress"

Now imagine if he transitioned...would anything change? Maybe after he gets the crap beat out of him for being a "f*ggot ->-bleeped-<-". I think some people learn and some people don't. Many of the older mtfs have it really hard after the "testerone damage" and I think throwing the focus on "hey, she used to be gay..." takes it off of them.