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Is this still the MTF forum or is it the ex gay men forum

Started by Just Shelly, January 02, 2012, 07:08:29 PM

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Just Shelly

I'm sorry for sounding sarcastic but I have become more of a lurker on this site because it just seems to be about sexual orientation rather then transition.

I am not transitioning to change my sexual orientation and my sexual orientation is not the driving force behind my transition. I personally don't care what anyone's sexual preference is. I don't see how this is even relevant to transition unless the reason your transitioning is to improve your sex life or to make it more congruent to your current lifestyle.

Sex and sexual preference is bound to come up from time to time in any transgendered forum, I just think it shouldn't be the central topic of a forum unless thats what the forum was meant for. I think a great suggestion is to create another sub forum called "Gay men that want to be woman" I don't mean this in disrespect I am just calling a spade a spade. I also am not calling any MTF's that are attracted to men "men" I would never do that and would hope no one else would.

I will still lurk around this site from time to time but I don't feel the need to post anymore since my inquirers or statements will be not be needed or answered.

P.S I'm also disgusted that people don't have the courtesy to inform another if they don't feel like communicating further. I come to this site for support and to hopfully meet or communicate with someone that may have the same or simular concerns and issues as myself. It seems many of these people aren't what they say they are. I don't feel the need or connection so to speak to PM many people on this forum but I guese the ones I have PM'ed, must of meant something else in their posts!

SEE YA!!!!
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pretty

It's kind of normal for women to be attracted to men...
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MyAlias

It has taken a weird turn all of a sudden! Susans is not what it used to be, there has been alot less topics about transitioning lately and more about being an ex gay man! not all of us where gay before we transistioned! Lots of fights and arguments about what a real transsexual is, etc. etc. lots of immaturity and nonsense! I don't know, but i don't like the direction it's going!
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Lily

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Mahsa Tezani

Wha? This isn't a gay man's forum?... I saw some chiseled jaws, but then I realized there weren't any pecks and quads. LOL

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envie

Hey Shelly,

not sure what ticked you off!
There are at times not many "interesting" conversations going on in regards to transitioning, I agree.
I think it is the age, life experience and how far people have come in their transition that set them apart.
You have come very far in your transition, you are a parent(if I am not mistaken) and a lot of people here have not had these experiences due to their young age.
A lot are still trying to figure out if they are gay or trans. They haven't had a time to figure out who they are.

So if you have kids and feel like exchanging some trans-parenting experience hit me up!
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Sybil

Just Shelly,

I can understand your frustrations. The forum lately has been covered in topics relating to attraction to men and a history of life as a gay man, and this may make it seem as though people have forgotten or are ignoring the remaining facets of what it means to be a MTF. However, I do not feel that you are being fair: sexuality is indeed a very important part of gender, regardless of your orientation (even asexuality). It is often a driving factor in how we express ourselves through our gender and feel content or discontent with it.

For many transgendered people, including myself, it is a very important aspect of self to explore, understand, and seek comfort with, because it will have great influence on our lives and our happiness in the future. Some times exploration of these feelings can be performed through deep, philosophical discussion, and some times they can be explored by simply exchanging opinions with another person of what feels attractive or exciting; the latter happens to have dominated the forums as of late, but it is no less an exercise in self-exploration.

Personally, I am attracted to men. Before I had begun my transition I had lurked on these forums from time to time, and one thing I had noticed was a severe lack of discussion between women who are attracted to men. I did read quite a bit of thought and commentary from women who (previously or currently) posed as heterosexual men, but I found it difficult to relate to their discussion despite empathizing with their hurt and their happiness. It was not frustrating for me, I was happy for them, but I did wish that I could discuss the same thing with women in my situation who had a similar sexuality; I have plenty of natal female friends, and I do talk to them about men, but something about discussing my sexuality with a woman of the same gender-weathered background was both appealing and comforting to me.

The recent threads on the forum, regardless of how distracted and off-key they may seem, do help out a lot of women like us. I thus do not think it is fair to single hetero-transwomen out or shuffle them/us into a subforum, as bi-, homo-, or asexual transwomen have just as much right to express their sexuality in the general forum of being male-to-female. It is a very important part of all of us and indeed has a deep impact on our lives, just as it would with any other human being.
Why do I always write such incredibly long posts?
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Sybil

Quote from: MyAlias on January 02, 2012, 07:38:47 PM
It has taken a weird turn all of a sudden! Susans is not what it used to be, there has been alot less topics about transitioning lately and more about being an ex gay man! not all of us where gay before we transistioned! Lots of fights and arguments about what a real transsexual is, etc. etc. lots of immaturity and nonsense! I don't know, but i don't like the direction it's going!

I do absolutely agree with not liking where the forum has been going in terms of fighting (and sniping) and immaturity. I feel that a lot of people have been very acidic toward one another lately and this does upset me a bit. I did a lot of reading on Susans before beginning my transition, and one aspect of what helped me tremendously was the care that the community expressed toward itself; I am not so much getting that feeling now.

Note: I know my post count is not very high, and I don't mean to sound as though I'm a veteran here - this is just my view as a tremendous lurker over the years!
Why do I always write such incredibly long posts?
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MyAlias

Quote from: Mahsa the disco shark on January 02, 2012, 07:43:09 PM
Wha? This isn't a gay man's forum?... I saw some chiseled jaws, but then I realized there weren't any pecks and quads. LOL
that wasn't very nice!
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MyAlias

Masha , you know what! but just incase, THIS! "I saw some chiseled jaws, but then I realized there weren't any pecks and quads"
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stldrmgrl

Well, first of all I am sorry you feel this way.  However, if the topics bother you, don't click them.  If you want more transition related topics, I don't see what stops you from posting them.  I know this sounds harsh and I don't mean it that way, but honestly it's nice sometimes to have topics that don't reiterate the same questions a thousand times.  Furthermore, this is just one sub category of the entire forums, thus I'm sure more transition related topics are being posted elsewhere.  Your frustrations are justifiable and I understand where you're coming from, just trying to offer some insight from the other side.  I'm all about helping people if I can, so if you have issues you want to discuss, by all means post them.
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Mahsa Tezani

Quote from: MyAlias on January 02, 2012, 08:09:33 PM
Masha , you know what! but just incase, THIS! "I saw some chiseled jaws, but then I realized there weren't any pecks and quads"

Well some transwomen have chiseled jaws. But HRT distributes the fat so they don't have the muscle mass of pecks and quads.

A chiseled jaw can be solved with contouring/bronzing.
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Joeyboo~ :3

Quote from: Lily on January 02, 2012, 07:41:43 PM
My only complaint is that I'm all out of popcorn.
In all seriousness, this post made me go make some popcorn.
its the extra buttery kind too :D
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myraey

I have never identified as a 'gay man' nor was I ever active in the gay community , if such a thing exists. There are others of us here.

Yes I once did wonder if I was just gay. Just because of the deep feeling of being 'somehow different'. No one is born reading wikipedia. It takes time to understand what ones different inner feelings might mean , or if any may want to categorize one self in way or another. Now for me it is clear I am not a gay dude.

Are these people who once identified as gay men nonetheless mtf transsexuals?
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Mahsa Tezani

Quote from: mik on January 02, 2012, 08:17:45 PM


Are these people who once identified as gay men nonetheless mtf transsexuals?

Yeah, they are technically mtfs now.

I haven't been in gay culture or had a gay boyfriend for like 3 years. Wait, Dustin(RIP) and Ryan were bi.

Okay...I haven't had a gay boyfriend for like 3 weeks.
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drvotion86

I really dont understand the fuss. People will talk about what they wanna talk about. Everyone should be free to do so. People will not always agree, so arguements happen.

If you don't agree with a topic don't read it, I think its childish to get bent out of shape over something on a forum.
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Joeyboo~ :3

Popcorn is gone :(

I was a former gay boy.
Yes, boy.
I was never a man :P

I also am going to echo what Natalie said.
Calm your tits, ladies.
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