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Started by Cody Jensen, January 04, 2012, 11:06:01 PM

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Felix

If I were you I would do whatever it takes to take your mind off this girl. She isn't an angel, and there's no way she can hold you in the same regard as you hold her in. Please be careful. Understand that you are as good as she is, and in some respects better. Broaden your interests, find things that matter to you and that feel right. Infatuation will hurt you.

Your father and sister sound eerily like my father and sister, except that my sister doesn't ignore me. We just don't know each other or see each other any more. It took a long time for my dad to admit he had 5 kids instead of 4.
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driven

Don't write her off as a friend just yet. She might still be supportive, but has no idea what to say. I actually did a similar stupid thing when my best friend came out as gay one drunken night our freshman year of college. This was back in '93, when being gay was still something people didn't talk about (at least in my hick town they didn't). So my clueless drunk ass tried to reassure him by saying maybe he wasn't really gay, he'd never been with a woman so how did he know, all that stereotypical stuff that you'd hate to hear after coming out...oops. After we talked again, I realized that was dumb and everything was fine between us from then on.
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Cody Jensen

@Felix infatuation is hurting me, I seriously cannot get her out of my head. When I'm awake it's hard enough, the minute I go to sleep, I dream about her. I dream about us. It goes farther than kissing and the worst part is when I wake up and realize it wasn't real. The first time that happened I cried my eyes out for half a day XD but seriously... I hated myself for it.

@driven, she seems supportive so I'm not sure. She's always supporting my dreams and is there for me when I'm down. I also have nightmares of being outed. Ugh... I hate those. Glad to hear things worked out between you and your friend.
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Felix

Quote from: Cody Jensen on January 07, 2012, 11:13:07 PM
@Felix infatuation is hurting me, I seriously cannot get her out of my head. When I'm awake it's hard enough, the minute I go to sleep, I dream about her. I dream about us. It goes farther than kissing and the worst part is when I wake up and realize it wasn't real. The first time that happened I cried my eyes out for half a day XD but seriously... I hated myself for it.

@driven, she seems supportive so I'm not sure. She's always supporting my dreams and is there for me when I'm down. I also have nightmares of being outed. Ugh... I hate those. Glad to hear things worked out between you and your friend.

Maybe what you want is what she represents? I have a crush on a teacher at my daughter's middle school. He's average looking but has quirks I adore, and he's been kind to me when others weren't. He gets my pronouns right. He looks like he'd be good to touch, and I do daydream about what I could do with him, and how it would feel if he thought I was important. He asks me how I'm doing and actually listens to the answer. He knows I'm poor and he's met my kid, but he still treats me like I'm a normal human, an equal.

Anyway, I know that the strong feelings I have toward that guy are to some degree only symbolic. I would love to be loved, and especially by a person who's intelligent, educated, dedicated, hardworking, gentle, reasonably sexy, interesting, etc. However I'm pretty sure that if you could come up with a different human with these same qualities I'd probably like them just as much. So I just enjoy the crush and the giddiness it brings. If I were actually with him, I'm sure he wouldn't feel so magical after a month or two. People are just people.

Idk if that helps. Please try to find ways to keep this woman from hurting you. Have you had many other loves?
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Cody Jensen

@Felix, have I had any other loves? Heck no!! This is my first real one lol. Other than a crush I had in middle school/high school (but that was a small childhood crush, nothing like the way I feel for this girl). Anyways, this girl, if you met her, you'd think she's extremely supportive (she's not the same girl I was talking to about my trans feelings, that was a different girl). Now... my dad keeps telling me she's using me as a "cash cow" and I HATE to think that. They are quite low on money, she even said they can't afford Christmas (I still love her regardless) she does charge a good amount for her lessons. My dad used to pay for them but now I do so it doesn't really bother me. She's sweet, beautiful, has the most amazing voice, I could listen to her singing all day. I feel like waiting a week for each lesson feels like a year. I can't help but wish to be more in her life.

A week ago we had a frustrating lesson. She knew I didn't like myself, and she told me that I had to in order to truly open up to singing. Then she told me that "I'm an awesome person", and that "she likes me" so I don't know if she meant as a friend or more than that, but I know she already has a girlfriend. Anyways, I felt my heart pounding when she said that because I wanted it to mean "more than a friend". Do you think it meant that? I don't think she's hurting me. I fail to see how she's hurting me (don't take offense to that, I honestly don't see how she is). From what I'm getting from this, she likes me, but also likes her girlfriend too, and obviously she can't be with me right now because she's with her. That's what one of my friends told me what they think is happening anyways. But I don't want to get my hopes up...
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Felix

Quote from: Cody Jensen on January 08, 2012, 02:35:53 AM
@Felix, have I had any other loves? Heck no!! This is my first real one lol. Other than a crush I had in middle school/high school (but that was a small childhood crush, nothing like the way I feel for this girl). Anyways, this girl, if you met her, you'd think she's extremely supportive (she's not the same girl I was talking to about my trans feelings, that was a different girl). Now... my dad keeps telling me she's using me as a "cash cow" and I HATE to think that. They are quite low on money, she even said they can't afford Christmas (I still love her regardless) she does charge a good amount for her lessons. My dad used to pay for them but now I do so it doesn't really bother me. She's sweet, beautiful, has the most amazing voice, I could listen to her singing all day. I feel like waiting a week for each lesson feels like a year. I can't help but wish to be more in her life.

A week ago we had a frustrating lesson. She knew I didn't like myself, and she told me that I had to in order to truly open up to singing. Then she told me that "I'm an awesome person", and that "she likes me" so I don't know if she meant as a friend or more than that, but I know she already has a girlfriend. Anyways, I felt my heart pounding when she said that because I wanted it to mean "more than a friend". Do you think it meant that? I don't think she's hurting me. I fail to see how she's hurting me (don't take offense to that, I honestly don't see how she is). From what I'm getting from this, she likes me, but also likes her girlfriend too, and obviously she can't be with me right now because she's with her. That's what one of my friends told me what they think is happening anyways. But I don't want to get my hopes up...

Okay, so you don't have personal experience to compare this to. That doesn't diminish this, but it does make it harder to put it in context.

What I meant by her hurting you...I'm not good with words. If you care about someone so much, you can get hurt no matter what they do. I think that's what I meant. You can't assume too much about this girl.

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Felix

Oh gosh I forgot. Are you intending to relate to her as female?
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Cody Jensen

At the moment yes I am, until I get anywhere near transitioning, as I'm not even dressing as male at all right now. Ah and yes I do see what you meant.
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Felix

Quote from: Cody Jensen on January 08, 2012, 01:38:14 PM
At the moment yes I am, until I get anywhere near transitioning, as I'm not even dressing as male at all right now. Ah and yes I do see what you meant.

Okay. I'm not criticizing that, I just didn't have it in mind. I would assume that even if transition is far off (or not in the plans) for you, your internal gender identity might complicate things for you.
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Cody Jensen

er. you mean me being male?  :-\
now i am starting to wonder if transition is worth it. :(
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Felix

Quote from: Cody Jensen on January 09, 2012, 12:21:19 AM
er. you mean me being male?  :-\
now i am starting to wonder if transition is worth it. :(

I mean if you approach her as another female while inside feeling male you could create some possibly damaging levels of cognitive dissonance.
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Cody Jensen

 ;D i took psychology... i should know what those words mean, but alas, i cannot remember  ;D
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Felix

Quote from: Cody Jensen on January 09, 2012, 12:48:16 AM
;D i took psychology... i should know what those words mean, but alas, i cannot remember  ;D

Well, like, your head might get all cluster->-bleeped-<-y if you try to be a girl for this girl, if you don't feel like a girl inside. It might be hard to go forward, and it might create some subtle resentments and emotional undercurrents that would interfere with how you relate to her.
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Cody Jensen

Ah. I see. Hmm not much comment on it. :S
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Felix

Quote from: Cody Jensen on January 09, 2012, 01:33:54 AM
Ah. I see. Hmm not much comment on it. :S

I hope it goes well. She seems important to you.
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Cody Jensen

Thanks Felix. She is extremely important and possibly the only real person I'll have in my life to help me through this.
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