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Started by Jeneva, January 11, 2012, 09:07:37 AM

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Jeneva

OK, so I've been trying for a long time to get back to the weight I was before our last child.  Before then both Shannon and I rode bicycles all the time.  40m/week was a usual average and I actually was working to a century although I only ever got to 65 miles.  Even at that time I weighed 180 which is technically overweight for a 5'11" "guy."  Around a year ago I reached 250 and decided it was time to lose some weight.  I was down to 225 because I started paxil and then I climbed back up to 245.

To start with I CANNOT exercise for several weeks since I just had FFS/BA and am specifically barred from that.  I'll talk about those plans after I asked the questions I want to now.

Over the past two years I've already made significant changes to my diet.  I drink mostly water and occasionally diet soda.  Breakfast was switched to steel cut oats a year and a half ago and I dropped my portion size to just 1 serving with Silk (soy milk) and OUR honey with cinnamon.  Because of the nature of my bosses I have to use ready to drink shakes for lunch most days.  It is starting to calm, but I used to be on a string if calls from 11 to 1 or even 2.  Mid afternoon I usually have a pack of crackers.

Between breakfast/lunch/snack I'm way under total carbs for a normal diet.  It is dinner that is the problem.  Both Shannon and I like to cook.  She isn't letting me currently because of recovery :(.  However since we cook we make it EXACTLY the way we like it.  That means I am habitually going for a second plate.  And to make matters worse we have HUGE plates.  Long term my goal is to gradually drop to 1 plate and maybe not even completely full (unless it is steamed veggies which only happens when I cook since Shannon thinks they are poisonous unless cooked southern style which I dislike).

Ideally I'd start this now.  BUT I had a fairly complete FFS with a BA on 12/29/2011.  If I start cutting back the carbs isn't that going to slow my healing?  I'm going to talk to Dr. Z today and will ask him how soon he thinks is safe, but what is the general forum consensus?  Healing even 1 week from this is of much more importance to me than losing 5 extra pounds.

Now before someone says exercise is the way (btw I agree 100%).  Once I am able to resume that level of activity I am going to try.  I have two different road bikes (on which I ALWAYS wear a helmet), but I can't ride the speed demon since it is mostly carbon and anything over 200lbs is asking for a trip to the landfill.  So I have to ride the midrange bike which is actually pretty good, but a let down compared to the other.  We also have an indoor elliptical.  The entire family also goes on walks around the neighborhood maybe 2-3 times a month (it is VERY busy in places so we have to catch the timing just right).

At my last job I actually brought my bike in and store it in the old warehouse portion of the ancient building they occupied.  They also had showers that employees were free to use.  I'd take 45 minutes of my lunch each day and ride around town.  Actually we were on the outskirts of some bigger weapon contractors and a few parks so it was actually a nice looking ride.  the military installation had fences to protect approach and it was all grown up around them.  It ran along a river and was a wonder place to ride.  When I started this new job 8 years ago (just months before our last child was born) I thought since I worked at home it would be even easier to ride at lunch.  Unfortunately for the month I tried it I got interrupted at least a dozen times.  And a couple of those had people accusing me of not working at all, even though I was entitled to an hour lunch break.  So I had to quit doing that.  Since quitting that and not having my wife to ride with, I only rarely get out.  I'm going to try riding a lot more this summer after healing.  From the house there are 3 different main routes we ride.  Once route is likely considered low end moderate climbing, and the other two have significant climbs.  Of course since they are there and backs you also get to coast down them.  On my carbon/dura-ace bike I've hit 38mph many times down one of them.  If I'm not in the mode for a normal ride there is also an option for a CRAZY steep hill if I want to really work it hard.  Unfortunately it isn't safe to get to speed going down it since it is a bit rougher and tags onto a main road where you HAVE to stop completely or get killed.

I also want to use the elliptical on days I don't ride because of weather (although I do actually have rain and cold weather riding gear).  In fact one of my favorite rides ever was in flurries, but there was slush on the road by the end of it so generally I want to stay indoors on cold wet days.
Blessed Be!

Jeneva Caroline Samples
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Ava C

Have you tried cutting down your dinner proportions? Try cutting it by 10% each week, and you should eventually reach your goal.  :)
living halfway between reality and fantasy at all times.
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Jeneva

Quote from: Ava C on January 11, 2012, 09:16:51 AM
Have you tried cutting down your dinner proportions? Try cutting it by 10% each week, and you should eventually reach your goal.  :)
Quote from: Jeneva on January 11, 2012, 09:07:37 AM
That means I am habitually going for a second plate.  And to make matters worse we have HUGE plates.  Long term my goal is to gradually drop to 1 plate and maybe not even completely full (unless it is steamed veggies which only happens when I cook since Shannon thinks they are poisonous unless cooked southern style which I dislike).
That is the plan, but how soon after surgery is it SAFE?

I lost 3 pounds between going up to Chicago and coming back down.  And since I gained a touch over 3 pounds in implant weight :) that makes it 6 pounds already lost.  It is hard to eat a lot that first week and I'm sure he tossed a pound or two out of my neck in the biohazard trash.

IE: Will underrating my norm have any impact on healing?

I just don't want to hinder my healing.
Blessed Be!

Jeneva Caroline Samples
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Ava C

Quote from: Jeneva on January 11, 2012, 09:39:54 AM
That is the plan, but how soon after surgery is it SAFE?

I lost 3 pounds between going up to Chicago and coming back down.  And since I gained a touch over 3 pounds in implant weight :) that makes it 6 pounds already lost.  It is hard to eat a lot that first week and I'm sure he tossed a pound or two out of my neck in the biohazard trash.

IE: Will underrating my norm have any impact on healing?

I just don't want to hinder my healing.

No it won't hinder your healing, it might actually increase it. Overeating is just allowing your body to store more energy (fat), so by reducing your intake on the dinner meals.. will only help your body lose excess energy. Unless you completely stopped eating, and became undernourished..then that would be negative. 
living halfway between reality and fantasy at all times.
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Maja.V

Indeed, keeping a high calorie diet won't make you heal any quicker, you have a lot of enegy stored already.

Given that you just had a major procedure, start by cutting your meals.

Whenever you (or whoever) prepare(s) a meal, fill your own plate, but each time a bit less. Replace sweet drinks with unflavoured water. If you can't drink plain water, add a little bit of juice (100% fruity one). Flavoured waters usually have quite a bit of chemistry in them, not healthy to drink (not to mention some are as calorie-laden as a coke).

Next thing would be replacing all kinds of snacks with fresh fruit. Bananas, apples, grapes, clementines, prunes, persimmons, whatever you like. Whichever fruit you love, eat it. Anything is better than that bag of crisps or pastry.

If you're a nutter for chocolate, buy dark. It's much healthier. Don't go crazy over it, though, one bar is more than enough for a day.

Avoid fried food, incorporate fresh or cooked vegetables into your meals. Replace those fries with cooked (brown or white) rice. Add some veggies you like. Love salads? Order (or make) a mixed salad with your meal (or just lettuce / cabbage, etc. one).

Try to sometimes replace meat with soy, and if you don't like its taste, you could also try out the vegan seitan meat. It's unfathomably delicious (to me, at least), and I've replaced most of the meat with it.

If you still love the taste of meat, eat more white meat instead of red. Chicken, turkey, fish. Whatever makes your taste buds dance in excitement.

I was able to convince myself to eat less by constantly repeating "Tomorrow is another day, you can eat more tomorrow, you don't have to eat everything today." to myself. Sounds crazy, but then again, I'm somewhat crazy. ;D
I used to weigh 221 lbs and I'm proud to say I'm at 170 lbs at the moment, and still slowly dropping. :D We're the same height, by the way!

So not only you'll lose weight, you'll feel much healthier and feel better overall, as well. Now that you had FFS and are drop-dead gorgeous (or will be once the swelling recedes), I'm sure it would be a welcome change.

Tl;dr: smaller portions, more veggies and fruit, less fatty snacks, more white meat.

Cindy

Dropping weight will not in anyway hinder healing. Dropping anything in you diet as put forward will not hinder recovery. Keeping on it will.

As Maja said you and Shannon have far too much stored in your bodies already. Don't do this in any way or means, but you could go onto to a water diet with the amount of stuff you have stored. Sorry I don't mean that in anyway rudely. Just to put stuff in perspective and don't do it. It will not train your bodies to be healthy.

Clue one. You and Shannon love to cook, and eat, and make 2 portions/plates. You have to break that cycle. That is an addiction cycle. Your bodies don't want that amount of food. You are killing yourselves with that amount of food.

Find a way to stop that. Weigh your meals. Throw out into the trash what is left over. Cry over it get used to it.  You are eating far too much.  IMO.

I do remember seeing your pre FFS pic, and yes you can afford to lose a lot of weight (sorry). Obviously Shannon can as well, why don't you both make an appointment with a diet place and work it together.

Sadly you may also be teaching your children to eat too much. You are cutting their lives short by doing that. I know from your posts that you love your children. How about doing it for them?

How about a resolution to be a healthy family. Learn to eat properly before you get into exercise.

Please.
You are too nice a person to lose.

Hugs

Cindy

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Jeneva

Part of what prompted this was I was going to cut back the other day and Shannon said I had better check with someone first so thanks to every for the advice.  I am not at all offended and this is the type of info I was looking for specifically. So again thank you very much! 

Maja.V I've listed out the where we fall to most of your suggestions before.  The only reason I can do this quickly is that for each quarterly type 1 endo visit our son gets we also meet with a registered dietitian for 15-30 minutes.  Looking over this below (very long sorry), do you see any snakes in the grass, or is it simply a matter of too much of anything is too much.  Overall we are losing weight on this cleaned up diet, but just not fast enough.  I was moving along great till I started the antidepressants (which I don't take for depression, but rather anxiety because they work great for that too), but after that I'm still managing to creep down.  The problem is we don't want to creep down, but move along quickly (without doing a mega crash diet which just comes all back).

So far we have been very lucky with our children not picking up our habits.  Our old son is pretty much 50th percentile for weight to height.  But that is because we HAVE to monitor his diet because of we have to bolus enough insulin to match what he eats.  Surprisingly our daughter is underweight for her size right now.

Here is a great piece of irony to add.  Evidential my nose was broken when I was very young and no one ever bothered to tell me (just one of many mysteries including the disappearance of my medical records when I got back from college).  I have at times had severe breathing problems and could not smell worth a hoot.  Now that my nose is fixed EVERYTHING tastes SO much better because I can actually smell the ingredients.

We only do fast food when traveling.  And we're trying to cut back on the sit down restaurants since with 4 it is anywhere from $35-$60+, and we're trying to build the emergency fund a little higher and of course I want to save for GCS now.

Shannon and I are already mostly water drinkers.  Actually for 6 of the last 10 years we only drank water at all and juice/milk for the kids until our son was diagnosed with type 1 diabetes.  So now we have water or diet cola.  Personally I'm on a diet ginger ale kick, but I've always loved ginger.  We have NO full sugar cola's in the house at all and any juices for the adults are in a mixed drink which is fairly rare for us.

We are starting to try and freeze things better.  There are certain things we've always frozen like smoked pork butt.  We'll usually vacuum seal into 1 lb bags around 4-5 pounds before we even start eating (fresh vacuum sealed boiled in a pot is 99% as good as fresh).  We've also started splitting the soups and casseroles we like to make into two or three portions to freeze or give away.  Both of our works got a lot busier this year (new way of doing TN teacher evals) so we've really appreciated the convenience.  We also do leftover nights fairly frequently (often severed just a bit differently).  When we smoke a brisket that is 3 or 4 dinners in one cook.  If it doesn't get eaten, it doesn't get thrown away, but rather depending on what it is, it either gets fed to the dog, egg chickens in their coops, or the freerangers (geese/ducks/turkeys/meat chickens/peahen).

Meat wise no one in the family is a vegetarian.  I've try to introduce them to tofu when I stir fry, but I'm still the only one that will eat it.  We prefer our spaghetti without meat just some sort of bold marinara.  Occasionally I do get to pull off a rice and black beans Mexican night.  We try to have grilled salmon or some type of fish as a special treat 3-4 times a month, but it also depends on what we are working on that weekend. When it comes to beef a brisket is the only beef we use at all.  For burgers we use ground turkey.  We keep a chunk of slicing Black forest ham around for either omelets or pressed sandwich nights.  50%+ of our meat is from broiler chickens we raise and process (50 at a a time).  We have plenty of fresh chicken and duck eggs.  We used to do them organic, but we had to freight in the organic feed and it is simply too much money to keep doing it.  [The globe icon on my profile points to our site at www.dragonflydreamsfarm.com if anyone is interested in seeing a VERY small farm in action].

Junk food vs fruit is not really a problem for us because if we have junk food then our son wants it and they are always LOADED with carbs.  We actually have a small orchard out back.  We try to freeze the extra, but generally speaking the birds beat us to part of it.  We also lost a freezer this year.  We had a TON of black cherries, apples, and white peaches.

Starch-wise frys are a special treat.  Most meals get rice (60%), but we also do baked and whipped potatoes (25%/15%).  There are probably 2-3 days a week I have yogurt and don't get my oatmeal for breakfast because we've done a double batch of rice for the previous and next nights meal (it has a lower temp keep warm for 24 hours).   Somewhere between 48 and 72 it gets an off smell we we toss it, but that rarely happens.

Veggies can be a problem for Shannon.  I often post on our Facebook walls a picture of hers compared to mine just to show what a difference the color of the veggies make (and to try and get her friends to get to to try more veggies) [BTW Yes, dear I know you can read this too!  :-*]  Via stir fry I have gotten Shannon to start eating broccoli.  The kids are with me and will eat almost any vegetable steamed.  Our daughter could live on edamame.

Our current favorite chocolate is the Dark Lindt Chili.  That touch of spice really makes it stand out.  But lately we've not been on a chocolate kick.
Blessed Be!

Jeneva Caroline Samples
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Maja.V

Having read through it all, I think it just comes down to severely reducing the portions you eat. It seems to me you have a very balanced diet, just need to cut back on the actual consumption. All I can suggest is gradually reducing the portion sizes. Reduce the meaty part of the meal, increase the veggie part of it.

Consuming carbs is definitely not bad, just make sure you don't over-eat.

Another suggestion comes to mind, try to split a large meal into several smaller ones. You mentioned you freeze the food you make. Plan on what you're going to eat for a full week on, make the stuff and freeze it. The next day, open the food you wanted to eat, and split it into several, equal portions. Eat one each, wait an hour or two, grab another one. Just throughout the day until the evening, eat like that. And keep in mind to slowly reduce the portion size.
What that does, is basically make your body constantly process the food, so instead of eating one large sized meal, you eat a handful of smaller ones, speeding up your metabolism.

P.S. Diet coke is awful, awful, awful. Even though it doesn't (supposedly) have any calories, it's extremely unhealthy. It's loaded with artificial sweeteners. Rather drink the original one in the first place, the diet / zero one is chemical poison (drank it myself for two years and some).

Jeneva

Thanks for the feedback everyone.

Just to follow up and close the loop on this thread.  I ended up on a super low sodium diet as a knee jerk reaction to some massive swelling.  Between the flight and a soup that we ate all the first week that was loaded with sodium I was like a ballon.  BTW: just as a heads up for people that do process their own meat - watch the brining.  Our chicken has like 3x the sodium as store bough because I brined it before freezing.  It is one of those things that everyone tells you that you have to do it (not just taste and juiciness, but they claim safety), but I think I'm going to ask for reasons why when we do the early spring processing. 

I am also a heavy drinker (not alcohol, but I have to have something to drink ALL the time).  I annoy/amuse waitstaff because they have to fill my glass like 5-6 times during a meal (and it is always water when eating out).  Occasionally they will just leave me a pitcher so they don't have to make so many tips (before anyone complains about working the server too hard we always tip at least 20%).  I've been in the 72-96oz range easily every day since starting.

So this new low sodium diet I'm using is based on 2k carbs.  I usually am 100 to 200 over the carb limit, but that is because with some of the saltier stuff I have to eat a TON of rice to get a satisfied.  Before the surgery I was 245 (PCP's office for surgery clearance).  I'm now 231.6.  Surgery should have added three pounds in implants and taken who knows how much away as he thinned my neck considerably.

Oddly I only lost 3 pounds in the first week (after surgery)
then like 10 in the second (while eating ultra salty food for 5 days before starting the diet)
and then this week watching my diet I only lost a pound

But I think it was all sodium caused water weight.  I was EXCEPTIONALLY swollen that couple of week.  I think once I cut the extra sodium that I lost the extra weight it was holding.  That first week should have been more than 3 pounds because you just don't eat that much first week of recovery.

BTW the water and low sodium has done wonders for my recovery.  I still have months to go for full definition, but I'm already very happy with the FFS results.

Next Thursday my 10 pound lift limit goes away and I am going to start walking at lunch to build my endurance back up for a couple of weeks or maybe even months before clipping into pedals again.  That is when I expect to see the real results.

Thanks again everyone for your suggestions and comments!
Blessed Be!

Jeneva Caroline Samples
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