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“Passing” issues?

Started by Kale, January 12, 2012, 12:48:18 PM

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Kale

This is long, or, looks like it. Sorry.

Last year, throughout most of the time at my job, I "passed" pretty well. There were a few people who thought I was a girl, which, since I didn't come out to my managers and co-workers until a bit later in the year, (I got the job in May, came out in September.) was mostly brought on by them. That was okay though; my fault, I accepted it.

Sure, it bothered me, but whatever, right?

Anyway, I wound up working elsewhere as a dog bather/groomer in training for about two weeks (at the end of last month and beginning of this month) and at that place, even though my boss knew I was a guy, and referred to me as such, none of her clients (and I mean NONE of them) would consider me a guy. They would all refer to me as a female, no matter what my boss said.

This bothered me, a lot. Made me pretty ticked off, to be honest, but, I ignored it. I only see these people one time, just one, maybe two depending on if they are on a package. Now, I never brought this up, because of how little I saw each person, so it didn't matter.

Now, I got my old job back (as this one didn't work out for other reasons), and I've realized that it is as though I'm not a guy at all. Every single customer, new and old, think I'm a girl! I dress and act the exact same as I did before and it's as though I've just walked into the place wearing a dress (which, some guys wear dresses, but, you get the point).

I don't exactly look much like a girl at all (or I think I don't) so my only guess is that when they look at me, they think I'm a lesbian or something (which, there are a good bit working at the stores around where I live, and very few guys). This idea further backed by by the fact that people have called me a dyke before while I was working. They've called me a ->-bleeped-<-got before as well, (when people saw me as male, haha) this was before the job switching, but it happened multiple times.

So, I've been thinking about it a lot; I look/act/dress how I always have, and people are just... what? I don't get it, at all, and it's been really getting at me. I have anxiety, and while it has gotten better since I came out and started presenting fully as male, I do have anxiety attacks occasionally... well, they've been growing scarily frequent lately, because of this. It's also started to change my overall attitude at work, so while I'm usually polite and easygoing, I've been getting tense and, though I smile, I'm pretty sure it looks forced.

So, my problem ; I can't figure out why I'm being seen as a girl now, when just weeks ago, 90% of the people I encountered saw me as male. (Also, though not the main topic I've put up here, people just... everywhere are like this now, not just at work. It's like... no one believes I'm a man?)
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emil

happened to me before and it was usually that a haircut was just a bit different than earlier haircuts (sometimes it was even my hair just looking different because i did or did not blow dry it that day or whatever), or that i'd gained or lost some weight (either my upper body looked too slim or my butt didn't look slim enough). That's what i tracked it down to at least.


edit: uh, you did change your hair color recently didnt you?
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Kreuzfidel

Are you on T yet?  I've only seen the one photo of you and you look very young, but not female.  The only thing for me that maybe suggests anything else is your hair, granted I can't tell much about it from that photo.  Also I've noticed that in the instances when I don't pass, it's always with cisfemales.  So if your clientelle is mostly ciswomen, that would explain a lot to me.
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supremecatoverlord

I used to pass better a couple of years back than I did a few months before I started testosterone, so I know how you feel. Your age is important here, because if you are still going through puberty and have fairly low testosterone levels for a female, passing for you may become harder unless you start male hormones or start to look up ways that you can naturally boost your male hormones.
I don't know if this is the issue, but I thought I'd bring this up.
Meow.



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Anon

emil and Kreuzfidel covered fairly everything I was going to suggest,
except is everyone else/the majority of your coworkers cis females? I noticed, and have heard other trans men say that pre-T they didn't pass well while they were with women.
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Felix

I've had periods where I was passing great and then all of a sudden having trouble passing. I rarely come up with good ideas why, and then lol I start getting paranoid about details that don't matter.

And I have no advice. I just wanted to commiserate and tell you that you aren't the only one it happens to.

(for background, I've been living fully as male for about half a year, and I started T about a month ago)
everybody's house is haunted
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Kale

Well, I'm twenty, about to be twenty-one, actually. No one I meet at work believes that though, haha.
A lot of the people I work with/around/meet are cis-females actually... but even with cis-males, it's the same story (which was a huge downer when I'd be checking someone out and they'd call me "ma'am"). Guess that makes the most sense though.

Also, no, not on T yet.

And yes, I changed my hair color, but no one at work saw it, as I had to change it back before I started again after the dog groomer's, so it's a solid color again.

I guess it's just gonna be one of those things that happen. Sometimes I'll pass fine, other times I won't.

I'm actually over the initial aggravation that came with posting this, but it's still nice to get opinions on possible causes. I sure hoped I wasn't the /only/ one with this problem. I'd feel really weird then. (Not trying to be rude or mean or anything.)
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meh

I'm almost 11 months on T and I am still read as female 99% of the time. I even have sideburns a super deep voice and my T levels are in the upper range of a normal male my age. I went to a drag show last night and got told I was too pretty to be male by a gay guy.

So yea, I am super bummed about it and I think it will take another 6 months or more for me to even start almost passing.

Hang in there. There should be a support group for us guys who don't pass after 6+ months on T. ^_^
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dmx

I assume that is you in your pic, and if that hair color is recent/new/current you might wanna change it to a natural color. There are many stereotypical, punkish butch lesbians with colored hair... you might be getting mistaken for them. I know that if I dyed my hair like blue or something pre-T my passing frequency would plummet.

If it's not new or current, IDK what to tell you.

How is your voice?
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