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What are the most tolerant / nonjudgmental places in the U.S.?

Started by Katelyn, January 15, 2012, 06:12:02 PM

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justmeinoz

I was going to chime in and say we have a fraction of the US population too.  There are plenty of trans and homophobic places here if you really want to look, but some surprises too.  Melbourne is a city of 3.5 million and there are places where the "normal" person stands out like a sore thumb, but also suburbs where you wouldn't want to wear a non-passing outfit in the street.

North West Tasmania had the reputation of being the second most homophobic are in the country after outback Queensland,  according to a good friend who moved from one to the other.  That has changed a lot. She was Australia's first woman shearer and is non-op trans.  She still goes by her female name, and has been re-elected the President of the Mole Creek Progress Association for years.

So back on topic, you could do a search of the newspapers for trans related crime stories over the last couple of years.  I did a similar thing when looking for somewhere to live here.  East of the river it was all crime, west it was much better.

Karen.
"Don't ask me, it was on fire when I lay down on it"
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tekla

you could do a search of the newspapers for trans related crime stories over the last couple of years.  I did a similar thing when looking for somewhere to live here.  East of the river it was all crime, west it was much better.

That assumes that they are printing all the stories, and we know they are not.  I'd trust something that actually tracks such crimes, such as The Uniform Crime Report that the FBI put out every year more.  But even then not completely.  There are no trans-related crimes before the 1990s because they did not have a category to count them.  And, as an ex-cop I'm sure you know that original crime reports are often fudged one way or the other, so if the original report doesn't report that, then the FBI report won't count it.
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KillBelle

This post was full of very helpful information. Thanks so much.


BTW...does anyone know if Harrisburg, PA is a good place to be stealth? I currently live 15 minutes from San Francisco and love frequenting the Transgender night clubs around here, it helps alleviate the depression that comes with being deeply stealth. However, my fiance and I want to move to PA to hopefully build a future there, but i'm nervous because i have already established a great doctor here who prescribes my HRT regimen, and have my based transgender groups here.... I'm afraid the East Coast will not be able to provide the crucial trans resources the way that SF does. Any ideas? Obviously i can't talk to my significant other about my fears...
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SandraJane

Quote from: tekla on January 15, 2012, 07:37:50 PM

- University towns are pretty liberal, in part because of the higher ed deal and also in part due to the highly transient nature of the population.  But not all colleges and universities are 'liberal'.  But some of the main ones that seem more open are: Ann Arbor in Michigan, Athens in Georgia, Austin in Texas (might be the only place like that in Texas), Madison Wisconsin, and Burlington Vermont.


Actually in the old days a quick trip though the Yellow Pages would tell you all kinds of things.  Lots of listings for lingerie shops, bakeries is good, lots of therapists, not so good.  Lots of pawn shops?  Not so good.  Actual listings in the Yellow Pages for Sexual Fetish shops - most excellent.

Austin's not that great, lived there, and the Yellow Pages...you've got a point there...

So, besides Amish Country, Coastal Areas, Big Cities, college towns and places with more bars than churches (sorry Australia doesn't count)...San Francisco...where else?
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Annah

Quote from: KillBelle on January 16, 2012, 06:08:07 PM
This post was full of very helpful information. Thanks so much.


BTW...does anyone know if Harrisburg, PA is a good place to be stealth?

I live 15 minutes from Harrisburg, PA. I haven't run into any issues...and I live in a conservative county underneath Harrisburg; Lancaster Co.

I'm not into the club and gay scene but there are numerous gay bars and there are several LGBT clubs in Harrisburg. I know if Lancaster City (home of the Amish) has three gay/lesbian bars then Harrisburg has many more.
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4A-GZE

Atlanta is certainly a diamond in the rough. I live half an hour outside of the city, and there is such unbelievable contrast, I could swear I'm in a new country every time I go there. I think I even remember reading that it's the number one LGBT-friendly city in America.
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tekla

Austin's not that great
Well compared to SF, perhaps not, compared to the rest of the state - well if it's not heaven, it's close enough to pretend.  I mean if I had to live in Texas (and I'd choose hell first), it would be Austin or nothing.  (but remember, for me it's not just the 'more liberal than the rest of the state, which is still less liberal than any real liberal place, but it also has a world class university, with an awesome library AND the LBJ Presidential Library, and I could find lots of work there too, so if I never went a mile or two outside of 6th Street I'd be OK.)

where else?
Happy people, busy people and wealthy people if not actually tolerant / nonjudgmental, tend to at least not inflict it on others.  Or they are too busy to care.  Wasn't Atlanta's slogan back in the 70s: Atlanta, to busy to hate?, as a way of trying to differentiate Atlanta from the rest of the South.  Or they understand the downside of acting like a moron.  Whatever, comes out the same in the wash. 
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SandraJane

Quote from: tekla on January 16, 2012, 09:28:12 PM
Austin's not that great
Well compared to SF, perhaps not, compared to the rest of the state - well if it's not heaven, it's close enough to pretend.

You have small expectations of Heaven then... :laugh:
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Katelyn

Quote from: Lyra Dash on January 16, 2012, 08:32:18 PM
Atlanta is certainly a diamond in the rough. I live half an hour outside of the city, and there is such unbelievable contrast, I could swear I'm in a new country every time I go there. I think I even remember reading that it's the number one LGBT-friendly city in America.

Well that's certainly interesting given that Atlanta's a big city and a much more affordable city than say California or the Northeast, plus it doesn't have the bitter cold as well, and it has a nice mass transit system.
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tekla

You have small expectations of Heaven then...
Well I'm a rational, scientific agnostic - guess it shows.  Besides my idea of heaven is SF if heaven is urban, and Lake Tahoe if heaven is rural, but that's going to be beyond the means of most of the people on these boards in one way or another.
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SandraJane

Quote from: tekla on January 16, 2012, 10:55:42 PM
You have small expectations of Heaven then...
Well I'm a rational, scientific agnostic - guess it shows.  Besides my idea of heaven is SF if heaven is urban, and Lake Tahoe if heaven is rural, but that's going to be beyond the means of most of the people on these boards in one way or another.

Probably beyond yours too... :laugh:
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Annah

Quote from: Lacey Lynne on January 16, 2012, 10:53:26 PM
Great topic!  Great thread!

Ah, The Media:

http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/NWO/silent_weapons_quiet_wars.htm

Folks, don't laugh at Kreuzfidel.  He's right.  The day will come when you can't leave.   I't "going down" as we speak.

Martial Law Coming and Checkpoints are in play!

Think it's not happening?  It is.   Just look around.   Tolerance?  Moot issue if this DOES go down.

No offense to you but I take zero concern with conspiracy theories and Silent Weapons Quiet wars conspiracy whose creator is serving time in a federal prison.

Other side of the story:
http://www.paranoiamagazine.com/silentweapons.html
http://www.skilluminati.com/research/entry/silent_weapons_myths_vs_reality/
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tekla

Probably beyond yours too

Well it's always good to cultivate relationships with organized crime figures, that way when things go wrong there's always the Witness Protection Program.
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Anatta

Kia Ora,

::) "What are the most tolerant / nonjudgmental places in the U.S.?"

::) Little towns or big cities called 'Stealthville'  ;) ;D

Metta Zenda :)
"The most essential method which includes all other methods is beholding the mind. The mind is the root from which all things grow. If you can understand the mind, everything else is included !"   :icon_yes:
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tekla

And remember that tolerant / nonjudgmental in American culture does not mean everyone will like you, or that anyone will, or that anyone gives a ->-bleeped-<- at all.  In the words of the classic cowboy song, Get A Long Little Doggies which perfectly sums up the notions of both toleration and individualism of the American West culture when it comes to stuff like that, well: "It's your misfortune and none of my own."
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Jamie D

Quote from: tekla on January 17, 2012, 12:40:21 AM
Probably beyond yours too

Well it's always good to cultivate relationships with organized crime figures, that way when things go wrong there's always the Witness Protection Program.

When society erodes and pandemonium breaks out, organized crime might be the only government left.

Perhaps I shouldn't have watched all of the Mad Max films this weekend.
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SandraJane

Quote from: tekla on January 17, 2012, 12:40:21 AM
Probably beyond yours too

Well it's always good to cultivate relationships with organized crime figures, that way when things go wrong there's always the Witness Protection Program.

Quote from: tekla on January 17, 2012, 02:19:22 AM
And remember that tolerant / nonjudgmental in American culture does not mean everyone will like you, or that anyone will, or that anyone gives a ->-bleeped-<- at all.  In the words of the classic cowboy song, Get A Long Little Doggies which perfectly sums up the notions of both toleration and individualism of the American West culture when it comes to stuff like that, well: "It's your misfortune and none of my own."

Haha...good ol' tekla...irrelevant as ever...how does "Get A Long Little Doggies" work in with cultivating Organized Crime figures, the Wittness Protection Program and said topic of discussion, What are the most tolerant / nonjudgmental places in the U.S.?

Iowa? How does that rate? And  careful with the "potty mouth please"... TOS 11 & 15.
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Jamie D

Quote from: tekla on January 17, 2012, 02:19:22 AM
And remember that tolerant / nonjudgmental in American culture does not mean everyone will like you, or that anyone will, or that anyone gives a ->-bleeped-<- at all.  In the words of the classic cowboy song, Get A Long Little Doggies which perfectly sums up the notions of both toleration and individualism of the American West culture when it comes to stuff like that, well: "It's your misfortune and none of my own."

Dogie (doe' ghee) n - 1. a motherless calf

The cowboys would try to get the dogie to bond and be adopted by another cow (if not already a weanling).  Losing a dogie on the trail meant lost profits.  Sometimes referred to as a "proddy" in Britain and Australia.
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ToriJo

Lots of LBGT doesn't mean tolerant or non-judgemental.  In fact, sometimes familiarity breeds contempt, for a few reasons.

First, a lone T person is perhaps odd to some, but not threatening.  Look at areas that have the most anti-immigrant sentiment.  Hint: They aren't areas without any immigrants!  People start acting out towards immigrants often because they feel the immigrants are "taking over."  One immigrant wouldn't do that.  Similarly, one T person in a town probably won't cause too much of a fuss.  But if the right wing thinks T people are taking over, watch out.

Second, people who have never come into contact (knowingly) with a person who belongs to a minority will generally not think they understand the minority.  Some of the most horrible stereotypes and such I've seen towards minorities comes from people that know a handful of people in whatever community and, thus, *KNOW* what "those" people are like.  This is particularly bad with law enforcement - they come into contact with T people predominantly when crime is being committed.  They don't ever come into contact with T people who are not committing crime.  Thus, they start to think all T people are committing whatever type of crime - after all, they have a lot of experience (so they think) with T people.

Third, even in liberal areas, there are crazies who think they are being persecuted by the liberals and need to fix it.  Harvey Milk's killer comes to mind.  As do the disproportionate number of T people who are murdered in supposedly friendly/liberal communities. 

Forth, if an LGBT law is getting passed, watch out.  Hate crime went up in California when gay marriage was initially allowed.  It'll probably go up again, since "Kindergarteners are going to be told that they can have a sex change" (that's basically what Focus on the Family and others are saying in California right now - it's calculated to cause the most fear and most likelihood of getting the conservative values-vote to the polls).  If my children are at risk, why wouldn't I want to attack the person putting them at risk?  Likewise, DC saw too many hate crime murders recently, as did Houston.  DC is constantly in the news for allowing same sex marriage.  Houston has a lesbian mayor and just confirmed a wonderful female municipal judge that the bigots think is a man.  In places like that, the bigots feel like they are losing.  And crazy bigots who think that they are losing and that their children are at risk are just plain dangerous.  It's basically the same recipe world-wide for terrorism - crazy bigots who think they need to do something to stop the moral decline.  Even when it's not a terrorism, but a seemingly isolated nut that isn't trying to send a message, a lot of campaign garbage about how horrible gay and trans people are is likely to give support, in the bigot's mind, to violence.

So...I'm not sure if one place is more or less trans-friendly than another.  I'd stick with some place that you can feel comfortable in, that you understand, and that you feel as safe as you can feel in.
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