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What are the most tolerant / nonjudgmental places in the U.S.?

Started by Katelyn, January 15, 2012, 06:12:02 PM

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Hermione01

Quote from: annette on January 16, 2012, 04:48:12 AM
I travelled to a lot of places in the US.
I have met friendly helpfull people and I have met ->-bleeped-<-s.
I'm living in Europe.
I have met friendly helpfull people and ->-bleeped-<-s.
What I want to say is, there are ->-bleeped-<-s everywhere and there are nice people everywhere.
The trick is to find the good people and leave the ->-bleeped-<-s alone.
There is no place with only good or bad people not in the US, not in Europe and probally not in Australia.

We've definitely got as many ->-bleeped-<-s in Oz as any other country, that's for sure. I live near Sydney which is one of the Gay capitals of the world, but we've still got our intolerant types here like anywhere else. North Sydney and the inner suburbs of Sydney are the best places for tolerance, western suburbs of Sydney you will come across load of ->-bleeped-<-s with big mouths.  ::)
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Berger

Quote from: Kreuzfidel on January 15, 2012, 06:44:02 PM
Sorry, I got the heck out of the US while I still could.  Come to South Australia.  Quite an eclectic collection of free spirits here.
From what I've heard, Australia is great with acceptance of LGBT, and it's not difficult to immigrate there.
I'd almost want to go there...except there's one thing that makes me not want to live there...those horrid, demon spiders that are the size of my face that actually exist in that country.
I'm actually not quite sure which one I'm more afraid of, homophobes in US politics or those giant demon spiders...but at least the homophobic politicians don't sneak into my house, nor do I ever cross paths with them while I'm walking around outside.

I think I'll stick with my plans to move to Canada, which is also better than the US, but where it's far too cold for giant demon spiders.


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Anatta

Quote from: Berger on January 17, 2012, 10:50:45 PM
From what I've heard, Australia is great with acceptance of LGBT, and it's not difficult to immigrate there.
I'd almost want to go there...except there's one thing that makes me not want to live there...those horrid, demon spiders that are the size of my face that actually exist in that country.
I'm actually not quite sure which one I'm more afraid of, homophobes in US politics or those giant demon spiders...but at least the homophobic politicians don't sneak into my house, nor do I ever cross paths with them while I'm walking around outside.

I think I'll stick with my plans to move to Canada, which is also better than the US, but where it's far too cold for giant demon spiders.


NOPENOPENOPENOPE O.O

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Katelyn

^ I've heard from lots of people on the internet that living in Arizona, that you would have to deal with scorpions coming inside the house.  Well, I've lived for some time in Tucson, Arizona, and my mom has lived for more than 2 years here (in two different apartment complexes), and she and I have yet to see any scorpions...
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Katelyn

BTW, Australia is where the famous androgynous model, Andrej Pejic, is from.





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Kelly J. P.

 In my experence, western Canada is a tolerant and nonjudgemental place. Of course, the exposure is limited outside of Vancouver... so that would be the reason. The plus? You pass easier.

I can't speak for Vancouver. I imagine it would be a good place, as it's a nice, big place that actually has trans resources.

Gotta say, it's a beautiful area. An Okanagan spring is to die for.
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annette

Quote from: Katelyn on January 18, 2012, 12:21:14 AM
BTW, Australia is where the famous androgynous model, Andrej Pejic, is from.






Actually, he is from Europe, Bosnia, emigrated with his parents just after the war in Yugoslavia to Australia.
But, you're right for one thing, he is living in Australia now.
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tekla

how does "Get A Long Little Doggies" work in?

OK, I'll go slower for ya.  Places that are the most tolerant, are also the most (in the words of the song) inclined to believe that "it's your misfortune and none of my own" - or in language a bit plainer: "your problems might be important to you, but they ain't nothin' to me, so don't even think about bothering me with them."  So sure, you can have an almost limitless amount of "freedom to be me" in places like the Bay Area without the interference of others.  But you are also getting the freedom to live in a doorway and wake up every morning in a puddle of your own urine, and no one is going to interfere with/or care about that either (other than how it effects the property values, which, obviously, are a hell of a lot more important than then the 'freedom casualties' are - because failure of that sort is just part of the price to pay for level of success available - can't make an omelet without breaking a few eggs you know). 

And that level of freedom and total personal responsibility takes a lot of training to be able to successfully navigate your way through.  And, not incidentally , such places are frequently sought out by people who have a lot of drive, experience, education and discipline and a freakish work ethic.  So it scares me - or at least informs me to issue a slight warning (because I have to deal with and watch these sad cases traipse past me all the time) - that you better have the means to be successful in that environment or it's going to eat you alive.  You show up in SF or Seattle with no work history, no money, and a high school diploma, or worse, a GED or less, you are pretty much guaranteed to be standing on a street corner waiting, hoping, and praying for some gross old man to drive by, pick you up, cram his penis down your throat and shoot pecker snot all over your tonsils for twenty bucks so you can eat something because it's been days since you've had any real food.  That's a reality.  And once you get to that place the only solace available is the bottle, the crack pipe, or the needle and the spoon.

The other reality is that places that are sought out by people working overtime to succeed are very expensive and highly competitive.  I think that all things considered, that New York City, particularly Manhattan, comes across as the most tolerant place ever.  But it's tolerant not out of values, but because most of the people in NYC are so busy working to succeed, and succeed in the biggest possible way, on the biggest possible stage, precisely because Frank was right when he sang: And if I can make it there, I'm gonna make it anywhere... well, people like that have a thousand things to do before they even begin to notice you, much less care about you.  You know, they got 99 problems but you ain't one.

Of course if that's not your cup of tea, then there are places like Iowa.  Ahh Iowa.

Iowa, the land between two rivers, a place where the most exciting state slogan is "Plenty of Free Parking?"  A state that features two of the worst weather climates known to mankind, where the winter is bitterly cold with a high wind and the summer is so hot and humid that you wake up and you're already drenched in sweat?  And to add insult to injury the cost of heating a house in the winter is balanced out by the enormous air conditioning bill in the summer?  That Iowa?  The Iowa where the capital city Des Moines is a lot like the capital of Indiana?  You know what Kurt Vonnegut said about Indianapolis?  "There are 364 days, then there is a race, then there are 364 more days."  Well Des Moines is just like that.  Minus the race.

Iowa has one great deal going on (well two if you're into meth, because they make it and consume it like crazy) - and it's this.  A couple of world class universities in a place where the nearest excitement is at least a three to five hour drive from where you are going to school.  Iowa is so dull that going to the library to study all night is actually the most attractive option for fun.  So it's easy to get a very high quality education.  But, having a very high quality education makes you way, way, way overqualified for any job in the state so people graduate from those schools with their cars packed and idling in the parking lot and they leave as fast as they can.  In droves. 

As a direct result of that, Iowa is the oldest (in terms of the age of the population) state in the United States and no doubt leads the nation in the sales of products for the incontinent.  The funeral business is pretty brisk too.  So people into water sports and/or necrophilia or Hot Granny Sex are pretty happy there.

That's it's very Christian conservative, elderly and provincial makes it one of the least tolerant places I've ever been.  And in terms of  "nonjudgmental" no atmosphere is more judgmental than isolated small towns where everyone feels that they not only have the right, but an obligation gossip about your life.  Though you can take some small comfort in the knowledge that - 'god willing' - they'll be dead soon.

There is, as I noted, a huge meth problem among those people who are too slow, too dumb or too dull to find a way out and who are not old enough to die yet.  And for some, a large population of people on meth  - who as result of the drug are total sexual deviants when their not in some psycho/paranoid killing rage - make it easy pickings to find people willing to engage in totally degrading activates on a near constant basis if your willing to overlook the constant twitching and rotting teeth.

If you were my worst enemy - I mean if you were the absolute worst person I've ever met in my life, I still wouldn't wish Iowa on you unless you're going there to study or as a very weird and kinky sex tourist.
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JenniL

Quote from: Berger on January 17, 2012, 10:50:45 PM
From what I've heard, Australia is great with acceptance of LGBT, and it's not difficult to immigrate there.
I'd almost want to go there...except there's one thing that makes me not want to live there...those horrid, demon spiders that are the size of my face that actually exist in that country.
I'm actually not quite sure which one I'm more afraid of, homophobes in US politics or those giant demon spiders...but at least the homophobic politicians don't sneak into my house, nor do I ever cross paths with them while I'm walking around outside.

I think I'll stick with my plans to move to Canada, which is also better than the US, but where it's far too cold for giant demon spiders.


NOPENOPENOPENOPE O.O

Yea i hate spiders. Terrified of them. Literally I throw things at it to get rid of it.

But Seattle, WA for most part is pretty tolerant. Although I hear West Seattle can have a bigots there.  Personally I live north of Seattle and had no problems with anyone at work or outside of work. I know WA has anti discrimination laws written that safeguards us as well. The downside is that its kind of expensive to live here at least it is for me but its worth it  :)

Jen


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CynthiaAnn

Quote from: Annah on January 15, 2012, 09:40:41 PM
My point is, there is no "Emerald City of Oz."

I would guess the OP is long gone, but I could not resist answering this  ;)

Oh sure, It's called Seattle, WA "The Emerald City"

It's great here overall (pricey).

C -
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Kylo

Ironically at this point I would myself avoid "known" hives of progressivism. They seem to be conducive to protests and riots at the moment. Places like Portland, Oregon for example... very progressive but the scene of street fights between antifa and other groups and I sure that will not be the last of it.

The reasons for this are known, and because of that I would personally avoid them and seek middle ground. Maybe even a place not especially known for its progressivism, as these places do tend to be more stable and polite in other ways.
"If the freedom of speech is taken away, then dumb and silent we may be led, like sheep to the slaughter."
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Ellora

Quote from: Katelyn on January 15, 2012, 06:12:02 PM
What places would you feel ok going around if you don't exactly look like a (non-trans) regular heterosexual person?

I know like in Los Angeles, especially around Hollywood and West Hollywood, and in the city of Long Beach (near the coast).  San Francisco as well.  Other places?

Hillcrest in San Diego, California. Very friendly.
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CynthiaAnn

Quote from: Kylo on March 22, 2019, 11:02:15 PM
Ironically at this point I would myself avoid "known" hives of progressivism. They seem to be conducive to protests and riots at the moment. Places like Portland, Oregon for example... very progressive but the scene of street fights between antifa and other groups and I sure that will not be the last of it.

The reasons for this are known, and because of that I would personally avoid them and seek middle ground. Maybe even a place not especially known for its progressivism, as these places do tend to be more stable and polite in other ways.

I agree with this above, it's like way different today from when this post was created. I know the reason, and it goes without saying.

It's essentially the oscillation of the social pendulum...

It's like why go to an area where people are angry at each other, makes no sense...
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