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Started by schism, January 25, 2012, 09:52:42 AM

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schism

i have a six year old daughter, who's been handling my transition so far really well; i've been very open with her about how i feel, as simplistically as i can, since i don't want to confuse her.  she's been very accepting and innocently curious about it.  i'm wondering though how to deal with her constantly yelling 'mummy' at me.  i don't mind so much when we're inside, i don't expect her to quit calling me that; i don't think it'd be fair of me to do so, but when we're outside my confidence plummets whenever she verbally points it out that i'm not the gender i'm presenting as.  my dysphoria explodes, i feel myself shrinking into my jacket... i feel obvious and uncomfortable, and i don't want to dread being outside with her.  i've asked her to whisper if she needs to say my name, or tap me instead, but she just keeps on yelling it, and i don't want to discipline her since there's nothing naughty about calling me mummy.  thoughts?
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jessman3

I've got a 3 year old son, and when I sat down and talked to him I explained to him that "mommy" was a girls name, and that I needed a boy parent name. We both settled on papa. If you explain why it bothers you to your daughter, and have her help in the decision of something new, she will see that her "mommy" is always there, just with a different name. I've found kids are remarkably understanding. Either that or they really don't care lol
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King Malachite

I say pull him aside and tell him that whenever he yells it out in public that it makes you feel really sad and ask him if he wants you to feel that way and how would he feel if you were to call him your daughter.
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schism

well, she's a girl, but i can apply that vice versa.  i'll try the choosing a name thing, it's a good idea.... she's very energetic and loud and often doesn't think about what she's doing, so i anticipate some difficulty in getting it across.
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King Malachite

Sorry about that I was looking at jessman3's comment and accidently thought it was yours lol but I hope it works out for you schism.
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schism

yeah, no worries, i got what you meant.  thanks.  if anyone else with kids has some advice to offer i'd appreciate getting some more angles or ideas.
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Natkat

well I dont have kids, and generally im too young, but I know other transparrents.

I belive if you use time to explain to her that it makes you more happy being called something ells and sad, and explain it she will understand,
she might be a kid, but my experience had been that kids somethimes seams to get the transthing way better than adults, cause adults put so much pre-judging into it, and after all your still her parrents no matter what.

my mom use to ask me how I would feel if my dad just came out to me as a women,
(to blame her own reactions)
I guess I would have been pretty surprized since I have knowed my dad as a male for my whole year and not a femenine one.
however whatever his a man or a woman dosent matter, his still my dad, and even if he where to be my mom, he would still be the same person.
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Felix

I went through this with my kid for a couple of months while she was adjusting. I'd been out and presenting male when she was at school or whatever for a year or so, and so her calling me "mom" and "mommy" was starting to hurt. It damaged my confidence and in some situations compromised my safety.

My kid was 11 at the time, but she's emotionally stunted and like a much younger child. So I just told her it made me feel bad when she called me mommy. No other explanation or bit of diplomacy worked, as most of it was over her head. But she really did not want to be making me feel bad. So she stopped calling me mommy in public, and shortly switched to calling me daddy even at home. It definitely seems to be simpler for her than it is even for me.

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schism

yeah, the compromised safety is something that concerns me.  i'll have a chat with her later, see if i can get her to understand that it makes me feel bad. 
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schism

the chat didn't really go well... i explained that it made me feel bad, then she got upset and teary and said that it was making her sad.  when i suggested we thought of a new name for me she just kept saying 'i dunno', and went on about how sad it makes her when i look like a boy. 

-despondant sigh-
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Squirrel698

My six year old song was exactly the same way at first.  After my family settled on 'Paul', that's what he now calls me.

Although I do have the problem of people wondering why he's not calling me Dad.  My partner said he wanted to be the only 'Dad' in our family.  Now looking back I'm wondering if that's a mistake.  I made sure his teachers also understood my position and that I would never be called 'Mom' at school.  The less confusion they are under the better. 

Still they don't quite have the concept completely.  For example they were making a Mii's (avatars) of the family on the Wii.  They assigned my avatar a female gender.  I didn't make a big deal about it because it's just a game.  Honestly I feel bad saying I'm not their Mom because then it's like I killed her or some such thing.

On the other hand I don't want them to see me as female either.  Kids really confuse the issue of transition.  Thanks to them others are figuring me out as well.  Which isn't ideal but my kids aren't going anywhere and that is that. 

Curiously the guy who figured me out, because of my daughter's pictures, confined to me that he would love to experience pregnancy.  Which I thought was interesting and rather gender bending of him.  He's supportive and only asked decent questions relatively.   
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Felix

Schism, I don't think that counts as not going well. She's six, right? She's little. Changes are confusing for small children, and kids at any age might need time to adjust, whatever emotions that entails. Grieving included. My kid had been holding out for me to marry a woman (I told her I was gay when she was growing up, but I didn't say how) so she could have a girly parent. She was a little crushed at the idea of never having another mom.

Perhaps I oversimplified my experience. I initially told my daughter that it was dangerous to call me "mom" in some certain places. She tried to go along but wasn't good at it. After a week or so of that I realized she thought I was doing some kind of make-believe. So I was more explicit and told her I never was a girl, and that the "mom" part was make-believe. I told her that I'm a boy even though I don't look like it.

I did ask her if she wanted to come up with something else to call me, but she resisted a bit. There was a period where she rather stiltedly called me "dad" and said it way way way too many times in any given interaction, like a bad actor. Once she became comfortable she fell right into calling me daddy. She doesn't call me anything else now.

There was a weird little bit of time when she didn't call me anything. She just clung tight and made sure I was always nearby. It was strange, I'll admit.

One of the main things that helped was assuring my kid that I'm still the same person I was before, and I love her the same way, and that what I'm doing isn't a choice and isn't negotiable. And like I've said a million times, she saw how happy I was, how I finally relaxed, passing pressures notwithstanding. Children read the emotions of their loved ones pretty intensely.
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schism

thanks for going into it in more detail.  like you, i have been making sure to let her know i'm the same person and i love her and always will... she seems to be scared that i'm going to become a stranger, and i've been trying to compare it to wearing different clothes or hair colour or getting a tattoo (since she really like tattoos, lol); i know it isn't the same thing, but attempting to show her in terms she understands how external adjustments don't change the person, except to make them more comfortable with themselves. 

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sneakersjay

My kids were older when I came out.  Before I was passing, it bothered me but not as much as after I was passing.  If I was totally passing and they yelled "Mom!" in a store, I'd wait like 10 sec before responding, they say something like Mom is looking at shoes, what do you need?  Or Mom went to the bathroom/is in the changing room, went to get some broccoli, etc.

They don't call me Mom in public any more; they still call me Mom at home.  Still bugs me, but I figure I'm the adult; I need to deal with it.  The longer I am male, the sillier it is starting to seem to them to keep calling me Mom.  Problem comes in because they still spend time with their father, who insists on calling me Mom to them, so they get reinforced to call me Mom there to avoid hassles.  They do use male pronouns though, so if they say Mom, it's Mom, he.  :)

Jon


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Felix

I've seen the "mom, he" thing before, and I think that's kind of alright, or at least is better than not recognizing your gender. Some families don't move beyond that.

Huge barriers exist where the other parent does not respect your gender. That will seriously get into a kid's head. I feel that my aloneness familywise is a lucky thing on this issue. My daughter doesn't have to deal with mixed messages.

Schism I told my daughter over and over and over that I'm exactly the same person, I still love her, I was this way before she was born and it was nothing she did, and that the changes I'd undergo would be to me like getting presents for Christmas. I told her that being a boy openly was as happy as ice cream for me. I told her as best I could that my transformation would be gradual.

I also promised her that if she was uncomfortable I would slow down. I promised not to change my name or go on hormones until she was used to who I actually am. That may not work well with a six year old.

I don't know your life, but I alluded a bit with my kid to my previous major life changes. When I went to college, when I busted my ankle, etc. The world gets rearranged occasionally, and your daughter probably mainly needs to know that she is safe and you have things under control. You are a superhero to her, so playing the part might help.
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