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In-between Phase.

Started by Alainaluvsu, January 25, 2012, 11:06:54 PM

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Alainaluvsu

Let me start out with this: I have not transitioned yet.

Lately I've been noticing a major difference in how people initially greet me. Men look at me from a distance, but as I draw closer they get a disappointed look on their face. Women treat me sort of as if I was a gay guy, talking to me with a cuter inflection and making much more small talk about things with me. Today, I walked through the door of a business and the womans initial expression was bubbly and sweet, but as I came closer I could almost feel her let out an annoyed sigh under her breath as she said "How can I help you, sir?" The other day I was maamed from about 15 feet away while a lady was looking at my face.

However the only time I am seen as female is from a distance or from behind. Laser hasn't gotten my thick black facial hair to completely fall out yet and my facial fat is still obviously male, not to mention my skin tone changes from male to female about 20 times a day. But I'd definitely say I've just put my foot through the door of my in-between phase .

My question is for those who hit the in-between phase and had not transitioned yet. When did you hit it? Did it start like I'm experiencing? Please provide your experiences that told you "I'm inbetween!"
To dream of the person you would like to be is to waste the person you are.



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Tristan

for me it was the first two months on hormones (the first time). it is crazy. i was at the dmv and this girl was like sir um malm can i help you. um? it was so odd. haha but fun none the less i enjoy it at every turn. now im have breast (did it on dec 27th). only time i could with school and work and FFS is in 3 weeks. im back to in between stage again. but after FFS and i drop this last 30 lbs so wont be.
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eli77

Uh... when I was 4? You pretty much just described my life.

My first day of kindergarten, everyone thought I was a girl till my mum came to pick me up and corrected them.
I had to learn to force my voice down on the phone so people wouldn't constantly ma'am me.
Literally the day after I came out to my mum (a month before I went on hormones), we went out to dinner and the waitress went "ladies." Which kinda happened to me all the time, but mostly the people with me seemed not to notice. That time it was funny though.

It did get a lot more intense about 4 1/2 months into hormones, when I stopped getting sir entirely, and I started getting STARED AT constantly 'cause people couldn't figure out what gender I was. This was still in my kinda andro boy mode - boy jeans with stuff embroidered on them, fitted t-shirt and jacket, un-styled hair to my shoulders, unplucked eyebrows, no makeup, and my "couldn't pass as a guy's if my life depended on it" voice.

I went to a play about a orthodox Jewish wedding, and this lady at the door is supposed to hand out kippas (little hats) to all the guys, then this bloke was supposed to hug them as they came in. I got ignored by both. That was about 4 months into HRT, and when I realized the stuff was definitely doing something - 'cause I hadn't said anything, and usually it was my voice that tipped people to female, and they were like 2 feet away.
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Tazia of the Omineca

Well when I go out alone I usually get "Ma'am'ed but if I am with anyone they usually give it away I am a guy. :c
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Rabbit

I got ma'ammed a few times in month 6 or 7 of hormones :) So...somewhere around there I guess.

My experience has been a bit different. I have actually noticed both guys AND girls being nicer and better responding to me.

Girls are faster to chat with me (and actually have made some "girl friends" who I socialize with as "one of the girls"... talking about guys and relationships and other stereotypical things. I don't think they see me as completely female... instead as an "almost girl" who they have a ton in common with, but who also confuses them because I have such a wide interest...including stereotypical things men like).

Some men keep their distance from me (a couple of younger guys at school, they look at me a LOT...and we say hi and can chat, but mostly they aren't sure what to make of me). But most men warm up to me a lot faster now (and are more friendly / gentle). Guys open doors for me and things a lot more now too (not just the "I'm going through at the same time as you, I'll keep it open"... but more of an out of their way turning around and walking back to the door to open it for me....which makes me extremely embarrassed :P)

But, either way, people look at me more. Not in a bad way... but more of a "that is curious" type of way.

When I went back to kansas a couple weeks ago (to visit parents) ... the stares were a LOT more obvious. Everyone was looking at me... it was kind of uncomfortable haha. ((I'm normally in california, LA).

So.... the "in-between" phase isn't so bad for me :) I am having fun haha.
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Tazia of the Omineca

I kind of get nervous when I go out for walks, jealous of some people for just being them, and so many people are jealous of me.
I kind of want to leave my friends behind since they are all like "Thomas" and "He" and they think of me 100% male. Hgh... Shudder.

But yeah I have always been in that "In-Between" area where I confuse people, and I am so made fun of at school since everyone knows I am a boy but look like a girl.
Need to change my name now though I think it is affecting my ability to get a job. Since I look like a girl, have a high voice apparently and my name is super masculine. lol
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imogen

Well, I'm a lot older and my facial features are not so oestrogen- malleable. Being on the absolute minimal dose for actual changes to occur - mainly for health reasons - is another reason. I'm still in androgynous, but still male clothes mode. As a result, I've never been seen as particularly feminine, except for a few smiles from women thinking I must be gay, obviously bi, or just one of those androgynous-gothic musician's type. Still, I've definitely had "those" looks. Fantastic, yes, but then it's also had the unanticipated fallout of still being "sired" and not receiving "those" looks when I thought I would. I've never seen any men feeling envious. But I have seen some seeming slightly disapproving, or else deliberately expressing indifference..

I reckon it's very hard to get any firm perspective on this from others, since age usually accellerates less time spent "in-between". Also there's some who don't even seem to experience this phase..

Another reason why I'm in-between is that I'm deliberately stalling transition per se, going extra slow in case I land in too deeper waters. For me the sense of being "half-way" brings up even stronger doubts about continuing on, since I realise I could go back if I wanted to, without it affecting too much others perceptions of me as the "male" they've always known. (But then this reminds me of that movie "Gattaca", where the younger brother says to the main character, when they are both hundreds of yards from the shore, daring each another to swim out farther than the other, "but you won't have enough strength to get back to shore", and where the main character says, "but I never intended to go back anyway..". As a result, he thought less about the return swim and so had more confidence in continuing on, swimming farther out, despite knowing the consequences it'd take him further from shore, closer to drowning).

So some days it's really tempting to swim back, to not have to expect being maamed all the time, or looked at wonderingly; because of the huge social restructuring required in order to feel that one is capable of being accepted, as a female.
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Alainaluvsu

I was just maamed face to face by a clerk as i was paying for something. I have no clue whatsoever how she read me as female, as i have male pattern facial hair (slightly grown out) and laryngitis, wearing male clothes. In 1 hand i was like "Oh hell yes!" In the other hand i was thinking... did i do something subtle that just screamed female that ive never done before? Its just an example of conflicting issues and thougts that happens in this stage.

Imogen, thats a very interesting take on it all. Personally i would never consider switchin off of hrt in fear of changes that would occur. I lovr everything about myself ever since switching, even if i live in a very intolerant place. Even if it put me in a place where im awkward forever, i could live with it as much as i hate being looked at like a freak. I just hated being that masculinized person. But i do understand your point. Happiness comes differently for everybody but that doeant mean what makes u happy is incorrect :)
To dream of the person you would like to be is to waste the person you are.



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imogen

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Quote from: Alainaluvsu on February 02, 2012, 10:36:22 AM
Personally i would never consider switchin off of hrt in fear of changes that would occur. I lovr everything about myself ever since switching, even if i live in a very intolerant place. Even if it put me in a place where I'm awkward forever, i could live with it as much as i hate being looked at like a freak. I just hated being that masculinized person.

I totally agree.  I guess I was just making the point that if I did go back I imagine others wouldn't know any difference. But I was feeling a bit angst ridden when I wrote it though, probably shows..

Also the whole business for me is hard because because while I looked younger, it hasn't changed my essential facial features - a quite prominent jawline, a block-like face. That was the big issue I had to contend with prior to HRT. And still now my supportive partner thinks I'm just deluding my self if I really think I could REALLY pass - and I believe she's right. ..The square jaw screams man. But really FFS is not an option. Surgery, later down the track, may be; but FFS is just not something I am prepared to even think about it. This more than anything throws up maximum caution..
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Alainaluvsu

Quote from: imogen on February 02, 2012, 08:00:48 PM
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I totally agree.  I guess I was just making the point that if I did go back I imagine others wouldn't know any difference. But I was feeling a bit angst ridden when I wrote it though, probably shows..

Also the whole business for me is hard because because while I looked younger, it hasn't changed my essential facial features - a quite prominent jawline, a block-like face. That was the big issue I had to contend with prior to HRT. And still now my supportive partner thinks I'm just deluding my self if I really think I could REALLY pass - and I believe she's right. ..The square jaw screams man. But really FFS is not an option. Surgery, later down the track, may be; but FFS is just not something I am prepared to even think about it. This more than anything throws up maximum caution..

While I consider myself pretty fortunate in my looks, I can understand that. Seeing yourself as unable to pass is tough to deal with. However, you always have the mind. Speaking for myself, the changes I love the most are in there. It's as if my brain finally matches my heart.
To dream of the person you would like to be is to waste the person you are.



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atheuona

My 'in-between' phase started about 4 months into hrt.  I was in morocco on holiday and had a run-in with a toilet attendant that didn't speak english, he consistently pointed me towards the female bathrooms despite that fact I had 4 days worth of beard growth and was trying quite hard to pass as a male.

It really ramped up about at the 8months - 1 year mark.  I went overseas to chicago for ffs, on the way there every single customs official addressed me as m'am, miss, or ladies (really awkward when they went to pat me down and looked more closely at my passport).  This was despite the fact that I was still trying to pass as a guy.
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Alainaluvsu

Oh wow, atheuona that's crazy. I wish I could've seen such dramatic results that quickly. How old were you when you started?
To dream of the person you would like to be is to waste the person you are.



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Maja.V

Indeed, that would be crazy and at the same time awesome if it happened to me ;D Alas ...

atheuona

I had a brief flirtation with spiro when I was 24, didn't start hormones until just after my 26th birthday.
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Alainaluvsu

I'm jealous. I started just before my 29th birthday. But things are coming along so.. I can't complain too much :)
To dream of the person you would like to be is to waste the person you are.



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atheuona

Quote from: Maja.V on February 03, 2012, 01:15:07 AM
Indeed, that would be crazy and at the same time awesome if it happened to me ;D Alas ...

It was crazy, especially because I was nowhere near ready to live full time. No idea how people managed to clock me as female though, I'm 6ft tall and not exactly slender :\
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Maja.V

Quote from: atheuona on February 06, 2012, 05:08:19 AM
It was crazy, especially because I was nowhere near ready to live full time. No idea how people managed to clock me as female though, I'm 6ft tall and not exactly slender :\

Honestly, if it happened to me, I wouldn't mind it one bit. ;D My facial hair is a dead-giveaway for now, though.