Quote from: mixie on February 08, 2012, 08:53:13 AM
I think there is something very very valuable in here. But I can't quite understand what you are saying. Please don't worry about offending me. If you have something to say be straight forward, it's more helpful that way. Please remember that the last thing I would want to do would be to offend anyone.
Okay.
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But I will point out this. The only reason I compared transwomen to cis women at all was because of the "Do I pass thread." I"ve said many times I think you are all beautiful exactly as is. It's when people start harping on someone's jaw line or brows or some other thing I started posting celebrities that had similar features. And that's celebrities, people with stylists, make up artists etc. I have always said I think most people here look like regular women.
We are trans women. I do not think there should be anything wrong with looking like a trans woman and that is the message i want to send out. Why? because there are trans women who may never have passing privileges. By comparing us to celebrities with stylists who you define as "regular women" that have similar features is kind of feeding into the problematics of passing as cis. Alot of people want that here, but it's not my activism. This is the work i do.
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So I'm not quite getting why you think I'm the one forcing the comparisions on you when it's you tearing each other apart that caused me to do it in the first place.
cis woman to the rescue.

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Your focus in this forum isn't all bad, but the "cis woman celebrity" rhetoric you use in the do i pass threads and in threads out of the do i pass thread can be problematic for me and does offend me as a trans woman who identifies as a trans woman. I may have some features of a cis women, but I am not a cis woman.
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Second, if you are saying that transsexual female identity has a special place in the world that should be honored, I would agree with you but only if the transsexual female wanted to be identified that way. There are many transsexual females that want to be "women" without the labels beyond it. So I'm not sure I'd agree with you about putting people into separate categories.
"Want to be women" WE ARE.
Honestly, this was exceptionalism, used against me as a trans woman, to deny your cisgender privilege, coming in here like ya know what's up, wanting to help and ~doing it the wrong way~ Ofcourse I recognize that some trans women don't want to be tied to their "trans" identities but how does that help empower transgender bodies that don't have passing privileges? It doesn't. It's wonderful that you march in trans spaces to tell us we look like regular women and to stop nitpicking, but please realize where you stand as a privileged cis woman. I've seen you talk about how some people identified you as trans in your life, which means you aren't as privileged, but you are still cis.