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Started by bballshorty, April 05, 2012, 01:55:40 PM

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bballshorty

Interesting data and analysis of LGBTQ equality in each state, not sure if it's outdated though...

http://www.equalitygiving.org/States-of-Equality-and-Gay-Rights-Scorecard

does cali still allow gay marriage?
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tekla

Cali does allow it, however the Federal Court has a stay on it preventing anyone from actually doing it.
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bballshorty

I see. Thanks for clarifying =)
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Felix

These guys have some state-by-state comparisons from this year:
http://transgenderlaw.org/
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tekla

Cali will be marrying gay couples for the third time pretty soon now is my guess.
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Cindy

Sorry if this is hijacking. It is sort of relevant. When can Federal laws 'overtake' state laws in the USA. In Australia they can instantly,on some matters but not all. In Aus if the Feds want their laws through, they strangle the state financially until they reach a compromise.

What happens in the USA? I remember the de-segregation bills being imposed on the Southern States, and that took a big effort.

What would happen if the Feds decided on equal marriage rules, how could they enforce it? Could they?

Is it still South against North?

I read recently that the further South you reach the more right wing it becomes, I'm not sure if RW is correct BTW. There was a line in the book 'racially nothing has changed in South Carolina, but people have put on ten pounds, they still sweat and they still fly to places no one wants to go'

I don't mean any of this insultingly. I'm interested in how your whole incredible country lumps together.



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Felix

Quote from: Cindy James on April 10, 2012, 04:24:38 AM
Sorry if this is hijacking. It is sort of relevant. When can Federal laws 'overtake' state laws in the USA. In Australia they can instantly,on some matters but not all. In Aus if the Feds want their laws through, they strangle the state financially until they reach a compromise.

What happens in the USA? I remember the de-segregation bills being imposed on the Southern States, and that took a big effort.

What would happen if the Feds decided on equal marriage rules, how could they enforce it? Could they?

Is it still South against North?

I read recently that the further South you reach the more right wing it becomes, I'm not sure if RW is correct BTW. There was a line in the book 'racially nothing has changed in South Carolina, but people have put on ten pounds, they still sweat and they still fly to places no one wants to go'

I don't mean any of this insultingly. I'm interested in how your whole incredible country lumps together.
Alabama is still trying to shake off the academy days, when the feds said desegregate and so all the whites sent their kids to free private schools that didn't have public school rules. My kid went to an elementary school that had less than 5 white kids out of hundreds.

Georgia is a little more nuanced, and Florida is an odd egg off on its own. Louisiana and Arkansas are backwards as all get out. I'm in Oregon currently, and it's as different from Alabama as you'll find. Our country is pretty big and pretty divided.

That's not a lot of comment on feds vs states, I know.
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Ms. OBrien CVT

When I used to drive A semi (Lorry to you Cindy.  :laugh:), we had a saying.  "There is no 'United States', it is just a group of 51 individual countries.  Each with their own laws".

  
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tgchar21

Quote from: Ms. OBrien on April 10, 2012, 06:43:23 AM
When I used to drive A semi (Lorry to you Cindy.  :laugh:), we had a saying.  "There is no 'United States', it is just a group of 51 individual countries.  Each with their own laws".

I agree with this. On a travel-related forum I once saw a discussion on why Americans have such a low rate of passport ownership and don't leave the country much, one of the points mentioned was that in terms of geographical scale think of the US like the European Union, and that each US state is like an individual EU country, rather than comparing the US directly to France or Ireland (for example). If passports were issued by each state and one was necessary to travel between states the percentage of people with one would probably then be comparable to that of many European countries. Legally the central powers of the US are obviously greater than that of the EU government (in other words the former is a federal form of government, while the latter is an example of a confederation), but in many aspects there is not one single "US law" (although the feds are manipulating the states by threatening to cut off federal funds for noncompliance in cases like the 21 drinking age or No Child Left Behind). A unitary government would be one where all the power lies in the hands of the central government, with local or other smaller branches having only the powers given to them (this is the relationship in the US between state and local government).

As far as the TG population is concerned, the variety of state laws has its good and bad points. It's good because if you live in an unfavorable state you can move to another one with better laws without immigration issues, and a bad court ruling by a state court doesn't directly affect those elsewhere (such as the marriage cases in Kansas and Texas; if the Supreme Court were to take up such a case then TG marriage will likely become an all-or-nothing deal for Americans). The downside is having to deal with the inconsistency in laws when moving or traveling between states, but if you have the philosophy in the last paragraph it's no worse than going internationally with regards to the other country's laws.
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tekla

the answer is somewhere between 'depends' and 'it's complicated'

1.  All state laws must conform to the Federal Constitution........ eventually
2.  Some areas are reserved for the federal government, mostly involving interstate commerce
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Degree of difficulty - almost everything can come under that clause
3.  Though the Feds can 'force' states to comply, like in the case of trying to make a uniform drinking age (and you can imagine the carnage if in one town you can drink at 18 and you can't drink till 21 in the next town over) the Feds could not mandate it - but they could say "Gee, if your drinking age is not 21 then we're not going to give you Highway Funds", and since those Federal Highway Funds are about 80% of the states budget for road building/repairs what choice did the states have?
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Jamie D

Quote from: Cindy James on April 10, 2012, 04:24:38 AMWhen can Federal laws 'overtake' state laws in the USA.

In theory, and as designed:

The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite. - James Madison, Federalist No. 45
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smittyFTM

Cindy--it really just depends. I'm from a small town in New York state that is ridiculously small-minded overall, has a very large, very active group of KKK ->-bleeped-<-heads, and is just really ridiculously backward.

I spent pretty much 1990-2000 traveling the states and found that ya just never know how people are going to be.

Currently I'm living in the Northwest corner of Florida--my doctors (psych doc, general doc) are amazing & I had my surgery done locally by a really fantastic woman. I've had no problems transitioning here.

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Alainaluvsu

Quote from: Felix on April 10, 2012, 04:56:01 AM
Louisiana and Arkansas are backwards as all get out. I'm in Oregon currently, and it's as different from Alabama as you'll find. Our country is pretty big and pretty divided.

What do you mean backwards? What parts of Louisiana have you experienced that? I live in redneck homerville Shreveport, but transition here has been pretty easy. I've found a therapist, an endo, got my name changed, I get job offers, etc etc with very little trouble. Yes I get some annoying encounters (mainly at school where everyone knew me as a boy), and yes we have more than our share of holier than thou baptist ->-bleeped-<-s, but most people here kinda just shrug you off and go about their day.
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Penny Gurl

Each state really has it's own personality when it comes to laws, however an American is still an American no matter when you go inthe US, but like everyone else in the world opinions vary by person.  Acents may be different from the south to the midwest and west coast but it's not like you're going to be burned at the stake by crossing state lines, it's nothing that drastic.  Yes in the bible belt and other pockets of the US you may have a larger percent of people that are conservative but all in all I think people are respectful to one another.
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Beth Andrea

QuoteYes in the bible belt and other pockets of the US you may have a larger percent of people that are conservative but all in all I think people are respectful to one another.

Yes, and I would add that conservatives do not hold a monopoly on "->-bleeped-<-headism."

I've met many liberals who have absolutely no sense of rational thought, yet they will bash you on the head and throw rocks at you if you disagree.

There are ->-bleeped-<-s everywhere, and bigots too.

Having said that...America (and Americans) is one hell of a good country, overall.

I have to say that because Homeland Security is just the nicest bunch of ->-bleeped-<-s this (or either) side of the Mississippi.  ::)
...I think for most of us it is a futile effort to try and put this genie back in the bottle once she has tasted freedom...

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aleon515

Cindy is getting incorrect info here. There are two countries:
The United States of Canada and Jesusland.

See here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesusland_map

See it's even in Wikipedia. I seem to be located in New Mexico which is really in Mexico-- ask half the people if New Mexico is part of the United States.

I hope this clears things up for our Aussie friend.  :D

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Ms. OBrien CVT

Nice.  I now live in the United States of Canada.   That would mean I can get SRS paid for the government.

And I can go to England as a citizen.

  
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aleon515

Quote from: Ms. OBrien on July 21, 2012, 09:45:31 AM
Nice.  I now live in the United States of Canada.   That would mean I can get SRS paid for the government.

And I can go to England as a citizen.

Hmm, not sure if it actually *works*. :) 
Too bad.

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michelle

In the United States Federal Laws usually trump state laws.    However the Federal Law has to be judged as Constitutional according to the Federal Constitution.   There is a constant Constitutional battle between states rights and the Federal Government with our Supreme Court sometimes taking the point of view that the States and not the Federal Government has the jurisdiction.  Up until the 1950s the Federal Government pretty much did not interfere when state laws discriminated against different groups of its citizens.  With the Civil Rights movement and the Woman's Movement the Federal Courts and legal authorities began taking action on discrimination on the basis of ethnic identity and ciswomen's rights.    With the Federal Disabilities Act individuals with handicaps rights were being protected by Federal Law.   Native Americans have had to constantly fight for their tribal rights, individual rights as citizens of the state they live in, rights as citizens of the United States, and rights as tribal members.   The Gay and Lesbian Rights Movement is taking action at both the Federal and State levels to protect their civil rights.   Sometimes the nondiscrimination clauses passed by states includes non discrimination based up on sexual orientation and some times not.   While the whole GLBT movement has worked on non discrimination clauses that included transgenders they are not always successful.   

At the federal level Gays and Lesbians can serve openly in the United States Military, but transgenders cannot.    Gradually Federal Agencies are including in their regulatory civil rights clauses that include nondiscrimination on the sexual orientation within Federal Government entitlement programs.   

When discrimination happens in the United States for transgender's rights to be protected it has to be litigated in the Courts.    The Courts decide validity of the Federal Regulations rights to protect transgender's rights.   

Some state and local governmental bodies recognize the Federal Government's right to regulate and some contest it.    Therefore if you are discriminated against you cannot just report the discrimination to the nearest legal authority and have them order the person, business, or government agency that what they are doing is illegal.    Some times it takes months or years to get legal redress and it can be very costly.   You have to find a lawyer to take your case at what you can afford and you have to document the discrimination with facts and details that can stand up in court as legal proof.

Legally for many years in the past sexual orientation and sexual preferences were not covered legally from discrimination.   Public acceptance of transgenders as just being normal people like anybody else which comes when they are elected or appointed to political office,  accepted on popular television dance shows like Dancing With the Stars,  hired as teachers, police officers, fire fighters, Beauty Contest Contestants,  movie stars,  can shop and use public rest rooms without complaint are the best protectors of transgenders' civil rights in the United States.     

When transgenders first started appearing on "So You Think You Can Dance"  you could see the judges being physically uncomfortable with people who tried out who were obviously transgenders.   

The idea of a transgender woman performing with a cismale or a transgender male performing with a cisfemale was emotionally unacceptable to the judges picking the contestants.   None of the transgenders trying out had any of the skills or personalities  necessary to be even remotely successful contestants.   So the judges were never put in the position of having to put aside there prejudices and allow the individual continue in the contest.   

But the judges emotional reactions to the transgenders is kind of a litmus test to the rest of transgenders that we are some how unacceptable as people just because we are transgenders.    When these kinds of  public reactions disappear then we transgender's civil rights will be protected because it will be a natural assumption by most people that they cannot discriminate against us just because we are transgender.

  This will not mean that everyone accepts us,  it will just mean like many other people they dislike in their lives, they have to live with it, and move on.   And we as transgenders will be doing the same.

Transgenders in the United States have only the rights that they can defend in state and federal court, through complaints to Federal civil rights, labor rights, education, and housing government agencies.   These agencies will tell you if they have jurisdiction to handle your complaint or who you can file it with.   You probably will be ignored at first or told that they have no jurisdiction concerning your case.   You will probably have to find a lawyer or the American Civil Liberty Union Lawyer to preview your complaint and let you know if you can do anything about it.   Most of the time your answer will be no, or they will ask you if you have the time, emotional stability, and money to pursue the case.    Can you live with the consequences of filing your legal suit if you have one.

Transgender's civil rights are only protected by State Law in some states and Federal Legal jurisdiction needs to be established in each and every state concerning your complaint.   


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gennee

Quote from: Ms. OBrien on April 10, 2012, 06:43:23 AM
When I used to drive A semi (Lorry to you Cindy.  :laugh:), we had a saying.  "There is no 'United States', it is just a group of 51 individual countries.  Each with their own laws".


You're right on that point, Janet.



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