Susan's Place Logo

News:

Visit our Discord server  and Wiki

Main Menu

"Gatekeeping" Semantics - Flame Free

Started by Miki, April 11, 2012, 10:39:01 AM

Previous topic - Next topic

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Miki

In some recent posts I've noticed quite a few references to Gatekeeping, almost always in negative contexts.

My understanding of the definition of Gatekeeping is: Health care providers who intentionally withhold treatment or recommendations that facilitate the progression of transition from Transgender patients  based on non-clinical, unprofessional bias.

I read this as: Doctors or therapists with personal issues with Transgender patients, where those issues directly interfere with or contradict established Standards of Care.

I see this as a very separate and specific issue with individual providers that should not be confused or lumped in with the fact that Standards of Care exist, and for good reason.

For every "Well, I never needed to talk to anyone about my feelings and self-medicated my way to happiness!" there are likely five times the number of people who directly benefited from a measured, paced, and medically monitored transition.   

I am happy for people that are happy, as we all should be I hope, and there is absolutely a "regardless of how you got there" component to that.

Where that breaks down for me is when folks who have successfully gone from point A to point B in their lives, specifically without the use of therapy or medical supervision, label all activities that do fall within a Standards of Care structure as "Gatekeeping" and unnecessary.  There is danger there in the codified dismissal of transitioning under supervision in my opinion, especially in a place where a great many are here seeking definitions and contexts to embrace, often for the first time.

If a medical or mental health provider is exhibiting bias that is obstructionist and unprofessional, report them and then find another provider.

I feel pretty strongly that labeling all medical and mental health interactions that may comprise a Standard of Care as "Gatekeeping" is an intentional political misnomer steeped in a "I did it, so of course it applies to everyone!" posture often combined with a "No-one has the right to tell me what to do!" self-entitled arrogance.

"YMMV" gets tossed around a lot, and I feel that there are fewer things that are more personal or more subjective to any individual than going through a transition.  The level of sharing here is appreciated even more in light of that, right up until "YMMV" somehow turns into "ONE SIZE FITS ALL."  Any gross simplification of complex mechanisms feels amazingly dangerous when health and well-being are the focus.

Being aware of labeling, broad brush strokes and oversimplified generalizations based on agendas, and an awareness of avoiding such things makes it easier to distinguish opinion based on specific personal experience and opinions that are disingenuously presented as iron-clad facts to further a single, agenda-driven perspective.

Semantics and context both matter in hugely significant ways in environments like this where all we have to interpret is the written word.  It is not my intent to start a flame war here, nor judge or disparage anyone's personal path or the choices they have made.

I am talking about how information is presented and communicated and how best to maintain some measure of objectivity in the terminology we use and share.

-Miki



"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind."
  •  

Naturally Blonde

Quote from: Miki on April 11, 2012, 10:39:01 AM
In some recent posts I've noticed quite a few references to Gatekeeping, almost always in negative contexts.

My understanding of the definition of Gatekeeping is: Health care providers who intentionally withhold treatment or recommendations that facilitate the progression of transition from Transgender patients  based on non-clinical, unprofessional bias.

I read this as: Doctors or therapists with personal issues with Transgender patients, where those issues directly interfere with or contradict established Standards of Care.


You have successfully highlighted U.K NHS GIC system!
Living in the real world, not a fantasy
  •  

Jayr

Do I hate it, YES.

But I still have a head on my shoulders and understand it's necessary.
Some people aren't responsible enough to fully understand all the consequences,
and need a professional to guide them through and assure it's right for them.

It would be selfish of me to be against it. It's not because I feel I don't need it, that it's the case for everyone.
I have to keep in mind all the people that are going to be helped through it.





  •  

Naturally Blonde

Quote from: Jayr on April 11, 2012, 11:45:02 AM
It would be selfish of me to be against it. It's not because I feel I don't need it, that it's the case for everyone.
I have to keep in mind all the people that are going to be helped through it.

Helped through it? Gatekeepers or GIC psych's etc acted as brick walls in front of my progress and promoted negativity and caused me severe depression. The only person who helped me through it is me! by getting the hell out of that whole dreadful system!
Living in the real world, not a fantasy
  •  

Joeyboo~ :3

Quote from: Naturally Blonde on April 11, 2012, 12:18:40 PM
Helped through it? Gatekeepers or GIC psych's etc acted as brick walls in front of my progress and promoted negativity and caused me severe depression. The only person who helped me through it is me! by getting the hell out of that whole dreadful system!

I guess Jay should have put a disclaimer in his message.
There shouldn't have had been one on Jay's post, but I'll add one now.

CAUTION: Everyone is different and certain people don't need guidance. Yes, Naturally Blonde, that means you. Condragulations.

  •  

Miki

Quote from: Naturally Blonde on April 11, 2012, 12:18:40 PM
Helped through it? Gatekeepers or GIC psych's etc acted as brick walls in front of my progress and promoted negativity and caused me severe depression. The only person who helped me through it is me! by getting the hell out of that whole dreadful system!

I'm sorry that was your personal experience and I am glad you've come out the other side of it successfully.  :)



My point was that "Gatekeeping" is a verb.  A specific activity that is engaged in with the intent to block or inhibit transition.  It is something that is done, not something that is.

It is absolutely not a catch-all proper name for any process under any Standards of Care that espouses counseling, therapy and proper medical supervision.

-Miki

"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind."
  •  

Kelly J. P.

 It is my opinion that gatekeeping should be reduced, as opposed to eliminated. I'm greatly in favour of informed-consent options for hormones, due to their gradual and diagnostic natures, and think that the wait times on other things are too long.

The real life test period, for example, should be a half-year long. Most people will figure out that transition is not right for them by that point, and for those who know they need SRS, then it makes little difference aside from letting them get on with their lives sooner.

There should be some gate-keeping on FFS - in the form of real life experience requirements. Let's say six months, like for SRS. FFS is major surgery, and can be just as life-changing as SRS if not moreso.

:) My thoughts.

Personally, I don't really appreciate the gate-keeping thing at all. However, I realize that many people find it extremely useful; at the very minimum, though, I would suggest there always be a three-month RLE for surgery. It's big stuff...
  •  

Naturally Blonde

From my own personal experiences of 'Gatekeeping' it almost ruined my life and it's horrendous that a complete stranger you don't really know can makes decisions on your life. I can't hide my personal disgust and hatred for them.

Thank god I moved on with my life and far away from the GIC system...
Living in the real world, not a fantasy
  •  

Annah

I considered my therapist one of the most wonderful people in my life. Not only did she help me through some rough times at first but she really gave me sound, wise, and sage advice.

She helped me put things into perspective. She helped me get over the issue that I could transition before Seminary. She helped me gather the courage to face my family for the very first time.

She had made such an impact to me, she's been invited to my graduation, my ordination and other important events in my life.

Some people hate gatekeeping and gatekeepers. I, on the other hand, benefited greatly from it and if I had to do it all over again, I would do the same exact thing.

Annah
  •  

Laura26

In theory, the gatekeepers do have access to a somewhat objective feedback measure.

If the proportion of patients they see who are already self medicating exceeds a certain threshold then they know their practices are not fit for purpose and do not serve the people they're supposed to help.

You could argue that it's become too easy to self-med these days, but I'd say everyone who does self-med would prefer reasonable access to the safer method of treatment that the gatekeepers provide.
  •  

Constance

I feel that the therapist I've been working with has been tremendously helpful to me. Also, I don't mind the idea of getting a physical and having lab tests before seeing the endocrinologist to start HRT.

A full year of RLE seems a bit much, to me. But, it's what I'm doing. I understand the reasons behind this time frame, so I've accepted it.

Naturally Blonde

Quote from: Annah on April 11, 2012, 01:22:57 PM
I considered my therapist one of the most wonderful people in my life. Not only did she help me through some rough times at first but she really gave me sound, wise, and sage advice.

She helped me put things into perspective. She helped me get over the issue that I could transition before Seminary. She helped me gather the courage to face my family for the very first time.

She had made such an impact to me, she's been invited to my graduation, my ordination and other important events in my life.

Some people hate gatekeeping and gatekeepers. I, on the other hand, benefited greatly from it and if I had to do it all over again, I would do the same exact thing.

Annah

In the United Kingdom the NHS GIC run system is a million miles away from the type of system you have in America.  Over here in the U.K we have psychiatrists not therapists and we don't have therapy just an aggressive psychiatrist grilling our every word,often to the point of interrogation.  Our private system is so much better than the NHS system and my experiences with a private psychiatrist were very different to my NHS experiences.

I imagine if I lived in America I wouldn't have had the same experiences I've had in England.
Living in the real world, not a fantasy
  •  

Beverley

Quote from: Naturally Blonde on April 11, 2012, 03:10:14 PM
In the United Kingdom the NHS GIC run system is a million miles away from the type of system you have in America.  Over here in the U.K we have psychiatrists not therapists and we don't have therapy just an aggressive psychiatrist grilling our every word,often to the point of interrogation.  Our private system is so much better than the NHS system and my experiences with a private psychiatrist were very different to my NHS experiences.

So far my NHS experiences have been totally different from yours. I do not know why yours was so bad but so far I have had nothing but support from the NHS.


Quote from: Naturally Blonde on April 11, 2012, 03:10:14 PM
I imagine if I lived in America I wouldn't have had the same experiences I've had in England.

I agree. You could have the persecution that small minded bigots seem to enjoy showering on our US friends, including lots of discrimintaion, laws to force you to use the wrong toilets, the ability to sack you from your job for nothing other than being trans and to cap it all off you have to pay huge amounts of money for the privilege of being treated like that.

The US women on here repeatedly prove that things do not get better just because you have to pay for it yourself. They get bad gatekeepers / therapists / SRS just like we do.
  •  

Padma

Let's stick to talking about our personal experience please, and not universalising it - clearly, many individuals here on Susan's have had very, very different experiences of going through the SoC system in each country where it's applied - partly because it's being applied by different healthcare professionals (some with very different agendas, it would seem), partly because different rules (and funding policies) apply in different areas, and partly because we, the clients, are all very different, with very diverse needs.
Womandrogyneâ„¢
  •  

Naturally Blonde

Quote from: Beverley on April 11, 2012, 03:22:46 PM

The US women on here repeatedly prove that things do not get better just because you have to pay for it yourself. They get bad gatekeepers / therapists / SRS just like we do.

I've always paid for everything myself and never received any help from the NHS. Over here in the U.K private treatment is a lot better and more humane.
Living in the real world, not a fantasy
  •  

spacial

I hope Padma doesn't mind my contribution here. I don't intend to start a transatlantic war, I do think there are some issues that have not been covered.



There are tow essential effects of the current system.

Firstly, that it makes the Dr liable for agreeing to our requests.

Secondly, that it removes from us, responsibility for our actions.

The only medical criteria is that I should be capable of surviving the procedure.

If I choose to got through counciling before hand, that is my choice.
  •  

Alainaluvsu

My therapist was basically a rubber stamp for me. He saw me for a couple months, wrote a letter and told me to talk to a certain endo. The waiting list for this endo was so long, he didn't even contact me after a year. I started self medicating and looked for my own doctor and found one. He wrote another letter and faxed her. After a few months of seeing my doctor, she wanted me to see my therapist again. I went to him yesterday and he told me he would write a letter to my school recommending I start RLE there, and a write off for an orchiectomy.

I'm just glad I haven't had a therapist get in my way. Since I've been on hormones I've never been happier, especially when I'm out doing RLE. It's gotten to the point where I am disgusted with myself when I have to present male (at work).
To dream of the person you would like to be is to waste the person you are.



  •  

Stephe



I wonder if  the cheerleaders for  gate keeping would feel the way they do if their therapist had been clueless, had bad advice and they felt forced to continue sessions anyway just so they could get a letter to get on HRT, after living full time for several years already and knowing what they wanted.

I'm glad this gate keeping made them go in search of the help THEY needed. They keep assuming everyone needs a therapist to understand who they are and what they want. This same thing they feel blessed over, what a royal PITA for me. And I'm not done given I will need to be subjected to more therapy if/when I go for GRS.
  •  

Stephe

Quote from: spacial on April 11, 2012, 04:15:18 PM
There are tow essential effects of the current system.

Firstly, that it makes the Dr liable for agreeing to our requests.

Secondly, that it removes from us, responsibility for our actions.

Exactly how I feel..
  •  

Annah

Quote from: Stephe on April 11, 2012, 05:18:10 PM

I wonder if  the cheerleaders for  gate keeping would feel the way they do if their therapist had been clueless, had bad advice and they felt forced to continue sessions anyway just so they could get a letter to get on HRT, after living full time for several years already and knowing what they wanted.

I'm glad this gate keeping made them go in search of the help THEY needed. They keep assuming everyone needs a therapist to understand who they are and what they want. This same thing they feel blessed over, what a royal PITA for me. And I'm not done given I will need to be subjected to more therapy if/when I go for GRS.

My first one was inadequate so I fired him. Got another therapist who was confidant. If they give bad advice or seem to not know what they are doing they I look around. I didn't sit around and mope and cry when i had a bad therapist. I was proactive and found another.

I found my therapist in Florida. I lived in Maryland at the time so I refuse to let distance stop my transition.

I find it a little assanizing that you use the word "cheerleader" for anyone who assumes therapy can be a good tool to help others. Exercise a little mutual respect for others who do see a therapist and enjoyed it and stop trolling anyone who differs in opinion than you. I still haven't forgotten how you accused me of taking money from the homeless people because my church helped me financially through my medical transition. So, sorry, if I don't take your attacks seriously.
  •