How accepted are non-binary people?

[Edge]

How accepted or not accepted are non-binary people?
For some reason, the few people I told (online people excluded) seem to think I chose genderfluid for political reasons which I am %100 against. How do I explain that I really am genderfluid and it's not some game?

[Felix]

I think in theory non-binary people are pretty well accepted, but in practice a lot of people don't take the identity/spectrum seriously. It's certainly hard to figure out pronouns.

[Anthropos]

I think it just takes time for people to really take you seriously as non-binary. A big part of it his expressing androgyne for a long period of time. Of course some can be non-binary without presenting as such, but people don't typically take such a claim seriously unless they see the person presenting accordingly. Keep in mind this is a culture with very sharp divides between what constitutes male and female with little gray area, and it is easy for people to disregard someone who falls in the middle as not really being that way.

[mementomori]

I think it just takes time for people to really take you seriously as non-binary. A big part of it his expressing androgyne for a long period of time. Of course some can be non-binary without presenting as such, but people don't typically take such a claim seriously unless they see the person presenting accordingly. Keep in mind this is a culture with very sharp divides between what constitutes male and female with little gray area, and it is easy for people to disregard someone who falls in the middle as not really being that way.

ideally id prefer to look 100 percent feminine without breasts or at least a very flat chest with a feminine bone structure/ small shoulders wide hips etc  ( not going to happen even if i took hormones , too late )

im not really sure if that makes me an androgyne though in terms of what i desire to be physically , but regardless i am mentally an androgyne

[Anthropos]

What you desire for yourself physically is definitely a large part of being androgyne. But the most important part is when you think of yourself as "I" what if any gender do you see yourself as? Do you (like me) not see yourself as any gender? You're and androgyne. If you see yourself as sometimes male, sometimes female, you're also an androgyne. Being an androgyne is, purely and simply, not falling neatly into the binary society has made for us to a significant degree. Presentation is simply accessory to this basic character trait.

[Jamie D]

How accepted or not accepted are non-binary people?
For some reason, the few people I told (online people excluded) seem to think I chose genderfluid for political reasons which I am %100 against. How do I explain that I really am genderfluid and it's not some game?

In my case, I am what I am.  Politically, I'm a "republitarian," so that has no bearing on my genders.

[AbraCadabra]

In my experience not well accepted at all... IF wearing a sign "I'm non- binary".
(A lot of people would think it's some computer problem... you got – a virus?)

Now say, presenting like a guy, mustachio, and wearing a dress might do, in place of that sign though.

Biker leathers with a pink tutu, a full beard and wearing lipstick... seen that... some acceptance issues there to be sure.

But seriously, I'm XY, have a vj, boobs, and am a Monarchist... now... ... none of any of that is immediately apparent (hardly my boobs)... so?

If you don't advertise your being non-binary, I guess there be little acceptance issues.
In fact I have never knowingly met any real 'non-binary' in all my life – yet.
So... not a problem, or?

Axélle

[supremecatoverlord]

In my experience not well accepted at all...

This.
If you're in a very "hip" community, then maybe, but otherwise they tend to stand out and confuse people around them.
Of course, this should not stop you from being who you feel you are.

[Pica Pica]

I have always thought there to be a difference between being non-binary among people, and been non-binary at people. I assume the first have an easier time than the second.

[Edge]

I have always thought there to be a difference between being non-binary among people, and been non-binary at people. I assume the first have an easier time than the second.

How does one be non-binary at people? (Not meaning to be rude. I'm just curious.)

[Pica Pica]

Well, non-binary need not mean outrageous or campy or over the top, you can be non-binary without dressing in such a way that says, 'LOOK AT ME! I'M NON-BINARY!! LOOK AT ME!!!' although a lot of people have fun with that, which is fair enough, but people of any gender who dress -big- should expect larger reactions as they go around.

[Pica Pica]

For example, this is a man


and this is a man dressing -big- and saying 'LOOK AT ME! I'M A MAN!! LOOK AT ME!!!'



They are both males presenting male, but one will get stares (and in the UK s->-bleeped-<-s). Apply that to non-binaries and it is the same point.

[Edge]

Haha I laughed for five minutes when I saw the picture of Dog the bounty hunter. I never ever want to look like that.
I don't want to dress big (unless I feel like dressing like a pirate or making a skirt out of scarves or whatever, but that's neither here nor there), but I do wish I could look like whichever gender I feel like. Since it happens to change, it would be noticeable to people who see me for a longish period of time. But I can't pass as male anyway (which sucks), so... Sorry for rambling.

[Pica Pica]

No rambling, pretty on task for round here.

I dress like a pirate too, always had a thing for them, well the romantic type anyway. As the book says,

I have always wanted to be a pirate. I can't remember who to blame but I think I'll go with Errol Flynn because he swashbuckled with such a grin on his face.

He was a pirate but he was morally right, he fought for good and truth and he loved doing it. He was an active person in an active world, everything was grand in his films, it was all worth fighting for and dying for. Geoffrey Thorpe, his character in 'The Sea Hawk' would never have worried about a bus ticket or paying for the correct amount of stamps. A new chocolate bar or cereal would never have excited him, he was too busy fighting injustice and swinging from chandeliers.

That's how I envisioned my life, how I have always envisioned it but been unable to live it, fighting injustice and swinging from chandeliers.

(How's that for a tangent  I blame you.)

Anyway, back to what you said...

Since it happens to change, it would be noticeable to people who see me for a longish period of time.

I'm guessing those who see you for a longish period of time accept you in all your glory -n- facets anyway, at least to a certain extent.

As for you not passing, if that profile pick is you, you look like the fan of a lot of twee-pop bands I know. If not, it's probably someone famous I've never heard of, looks male anyway.

[Anthropos]

I don't think it's necessarily bad to be androgyne "at" people on occasion. Just like any bold fashion statement, as long as it's tasteful and not done in a caricature-like fashion, such a presentation can be starkly and profoundly beautiful.
Example:
 

[Edge]

Strangely enough, most people refuse to see me in all my glory (in more ways than just gender).
Sadly, that profile pic is not me. He is Vex from Lost Girl. I do want to be him or be with him, but he's a fictional character.
What's twee-pop?

[Pica Pica]

I don't think it's necessarily bad to be androgyne "at" people on occasion. Just like any bold fashion statement, as long as it's tasteful and not done in a caricature-like fashion, such a presentation can be starkly and profoundly beautiful.
Example:
 

Yeah, beautiful on a catwalk, absurd on a street (like most things on a catwalk).

Twee-pop: It's a sort of shambling, crude type of indie with a focus on the sweet, cute and 'nice'. It's purposely un-macho music, a little saccharine, but also pretty nice. This is one of the bands that kind of influenced it, I love this song.

[Shana A]

I've told many people in my community about who I am and where I live on the gender continuum, and they seem to get it. I'm now dressing more androgynous or femme. I often get compliments from friends, and also an occasional stare. I've noticed some women want to feel the fabric, particularly when I'm wearing silk blouses. I'm happier now that I'm outwardly expressing my gender rather than keeping it hidden away, as I'd done for way too long.

Z

[Edge]

Anything orange and/or fuzzy is a no no for me, but that's just personal preference.
Interesting song. I'm more of a metal/rock/industrial/mixed genre person myself.
I think I just derailed my own thread.
That's great, Zythyra! I like blouses. They are great for steampunkish and pirate outfits. And silk blouses are even better.

[Anthropos]

Sure the peach fuzz is obviously a bit over the top. But replace that with a nice woman's linen top and denim jacket and you have a very nice, everyday outfit.