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Nazi Pope hates Jewish Singer

Started by RebeccaFog, March 31, 2007, 05:05:18 PM

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RebeccaFog


Hi,

   This is meant as a combo of humor and something deeper.

   Some time ago, 1997, Bob Dylan played at the vatican for the previous pope. In march of 2007, mainstream media wierdos decided that a big sory is that the guy who is the new pope was opposed to Dylan playing. I could understand if the guy was opposed to the suit Dylan was wearing, but the lame excuse is that the pope guy thought of Dylan as the wrong kind of Prophet. For those who are unaware, Bob Dylan is a singer songwriter, author, and radio host. He is an entertainer not a 'prophet'. By claiming that Dylan is a Prophet, even 'the wrong kind' of prophet, indicates that the old man does in fact think of an entertainer as a 'prophet'. 12th Century thinking? You be the judge.

   The "story" can be seen at this link http://www . msnbc . msn.com/id/17516429/  [I put spaces in the URL. You obviously have to remove them. Old time thinking on my behalf? You be the judge]

   The real reason I posted this is because the headline reads "Pope opposed Dylan singing to John Paul in '97".  I want to offer alternate headlines.

   Nazi Pope Hates Jewish singer

   Ex-Nazi Hates Jews

   Ratzinger Hates Zimmerman   (both thier real names)


   I know the pope didn't say he hates Dylan, it's just that this was too easy.  By the way. I myself don't hate the pope. I just think he's the wrong kind of entertainer.

   If I have offended anyone, I apologize. Please don't hate me unless, by hating me, we save someone else from being hated. I think I can take the hit



Groove on, or don't groove at all,


Rebecca
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heatherrose

The catholic church apologized to islam for the crusaides.
I wonder when we can expect an apology to christians for
martyring "heritics".
Please forgive the spelling it is late.
"I have always wanted to have a neighbor just like you,
I've always wanted to live in a neighborhood with you.

So let's make the most of this beautiful day,
Since we're together, we might as well say,
Would you be mine?
Could you be mine?
Won't you be my neighbor?" - Fred Rogers
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nancyj

Hey.

Isn't the whole Middle East Problemo boilable down to You Got The Wrong Kind Of Prophet (Not our kinda guy)?

Njc
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cindianna_jones

In Spanish:

el papa  :  the pope
la papa  :  the potato

The words el and la mean "the".  El is a masculine version and la is the feminine. So, is a potato an emasculated pope?  Is the pope a potato on steroids and testosterone?

It's all in the way you look at it ;)

Cindi
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RebeccaFog

new CNN headline:

Flash!  The Pope is a potato in drag! How will this affect your children? Tune in after your bedtime as we tell you how to safely protect yourself!

Even more disturbing.  How will the Popetato affect your lovelife?
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nancyj

#5
Quote from: RebeccaFog on May 01, 2007, 08:13:27 AM

Even more disturbing.  How will the Popetato affect your lovelife?

Yeah, ya know, Mrs Potato Head always did give me the horn. I think it's the whole wrong kind of entertainer effect.
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Trinity

I'm wasn't going to post an answer to this, just like I avoided the political thread.

However, I will say this.

Do NOT judge someone else's religion, nor joke their beliefs, be they Catholic, Muslim, Lutheran, etc.  You don't want people passing judgement on you.

I have found at work at the shipyard that those who are the most afraid of discrimination are the most willing to discriminate against others.

I hope that you will not continue with threads such as these... I will not be in the company of such hatred.

(edit:  I saw the small print about "Sorry if I offended someone".  Perhaps this was a slight-of-tongue joke, in which case this post of mine was moot.  If it was NOT a joke, then it still stands.)
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RebeccaFog

   It was a tongue in cheek joke based on common mis-perceptions and weird happenstances all around. Just me juxtaposing ideas.

   The pope was actually a Nazi as a kid.
   He indicated that Bob Dylan is a prophet; "the wrong kind". Bob Dylan has always insisted that he is not a prophet. The joke there is that Bob Dylan still has fans who worship him as a prophet. I just thought the Pope's comment helps to perpetuate that misconception.    And it makes no sense that a 21st Century Catholic leader would think that a singer-songwriter is a prophet. That part is just weird on its' own.
    Bob Dylan is Jewish, so it makes it is a very strange thing to have an ex-Nazi knock a Jewish entertainer. The irony there is due to the fact that it is commonly perceived that WWII was the end of Nazism, however, we will have connections to that period for several generations to come. I am sure, however, that the Pope's comments were not meant to be anti semitic. He was probably just thinking that people should be reminded to not follow false idols.
    Another humorous aspect is that when Dylan was coming up in the sixties, the Pope's generation was the target of the younger generation. Let's face it, that battle is long over. As usual, everybody lost.
   
    The 'popetato' comment is just me playing with words. I like to play with words, how they sound, what they mean.
    The 'popetato in drag' comment comes from the irony that, if I have this right, the whole custom of wearing robes comes down through political and religious leaders in olden times trying to appropriate transgendered practices of previous religions in order to more easily bring the masses away from their old traditions and practices. I have to admit that this comment was laced with anger on my part. We Trans and Gay people (in the old world) did not become oppressed until maybe several thousand years ago. The reason for our oppression is to keep the downtrodden masses from uniting. As long as the general culture disapproves of us and keeps us and other minorities invisible or 'in our place' we will never achieve the peace and security that are our basic human rights. I guess I kind of resent a figurehead who publicly wears robes - whereas we would be jailed or worse - and who will not capitulate the fact that we are people too. People who deserve to express their gender as they please and who have every right to marry any other consenting adult.

   I don't hate anybody. Sometimes, I am angry at what they represent. I never make a statement out of hate, I hope.
   I am not trying to offend you. I am trying to make sense out of the world around me. I apologize for the speech. I'll check this post later in order to fix grammatical errors.

As somebody once said - (more or less)
"I mean no harm,nor put fault
on anyone who lives in a vault"


I'm not trying to be flip. I really do mean no harm.


Love,

Rebecca
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Rachael

iirc, being german, and serving in the german army in ww2 doesnt make this pope a nazi, he was a soldier and member of a nation indoctrinated by a faccist ragime..

lets not go ott on this...

he was the wrong kind of prophet
ie
gave the wrong kind of message, prophet meaning message carrier, ie popular music and religion not mixing
stop dramawhoireing
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cindianna_jones

When I was attending the MCC in Salt Lake City, the pastor there referred to his religious attire as "clergy drag".  I always smile now when I see a religious authority dressed for services.  Not that it is funny funny... but it is a reminder that some people CAN get away with cross dressing ;)

Cindi
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Suzy

You are right Cindy.

Many pastors are really lucky in that respect.  They get to wear a big black dress during worship.


Kristi
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RebeccaFog

Quote from: Rachael on May 01, 2007, 08:05:15 PM
iirc, being german, and serving in the german army in ww2 doesnt make this pope a nazi, he was a soldier and member of a nation indoctrinated by a faccist ragime..

lets not go ott on this...

he was the wrong kind of prophet
ie
gave the wrong kind of message, prophet meaning message carrier, ie popular music and religion not mixing
stop dramawhoireing

What's dramawhoireing?

    Seriously, I was using broad strokes to create a silly scenario. I'm not judging anyone. If you say the guy was just a soldier, then I will say I chose the term 'nazi' because it was in the media when they talked about the Pope.
    I was just basing the gag on public misconceptions. I was trying to hold a quick mirror up to the impressions that I picked up from news headlines. I know I shouldn't do this, but sometimes I like to play with ideas and then allow the subtext to be examined from different perspectives.
    I was trying to start a dialog, whether it became serious or stayed on the silly side was to be up to the readers who responded.

   I am not judging anyone.

   * I entirely disagree with the notion that popular music and religion do not mix. I believe that people with a social or spiritual consciousness can express themselves in any way desired. I also believe that if an organization cannot accept that people find alternatives methods in which to share their beliefs, then that organization has an underlying desire to control the messages and information that ordinary people would like to share.

  I can see where the above paragraph is probably going to cause a comment. Remember that the tone is meant to be friendly and nice. Not snippy or belligerent.


{added after the original posting }
  Hi,
   I just realized that I may have hurt some people's feelings. It was not my intention to do so. I just thought I had an interesting off-the-cuff take on some news headlines.
Sometimes I forget that meaning and tone can be difficult to convey in a posting.
  I sincerely apologize if I have offended anyone. I have determined that I obviously do not belong in 'Politics' and will stay out.

I almost forgot,

   Love to everyone
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nancyj

hmmmm...
a fairly humorous thread gets derailed by a failure to have a sense of humor about serious matters.

Oh well. C'est la vie.
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Rachael

where can i buy one of these 'senses of humour'? do they come as a kit or plug and play?
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Trinity

Hehehe, I'll take a "Sense of Humor" kit too.  I heard if we act now, we'll also get that "Sense of Humor" kit supersized at no additional charge!
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Rachael

ill take the regular one, too much funny at once could give me a embolism...
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