Are trans women more aggressive than genetic women?

[apple pie]

Hello people,

Do you think trans women are more aggressive than genetic women?

It's an idea that came to mind while seeing how quite a few MtFs here can be quite aggressive...
Of course, so can genetic women! Just that it seems a bit frequent here to me...

And of course, this place isn't representative of all trans women either - after all, many who have moved on aren't here any more, and those people are, well, likely psychologically different from people here.
But what do you think?

[Renee D]

Hard to say, I've been on forums where the natal women were often very aggressive and cursed like everything and were usually quite relentless. 

I do know its kind of disgusting to watch some transwomen behave like chauvinists towards certain segments of the lesbian population online. They kind of help bolster a lot of claims made by that certain group.

[Sephirah]

Do you think trans women are more aggressive than genetic women?

No, I don't think so. No more and no less.

It largely depends on the context and situation. People can be passionate when their identity and self-expression is called into question. And, unfortunately, that seems largely what most of the heated debates here situate around.

Some people can be more forceful in their views than others, that's a given, but I think that's more a personality trait than anything to do with being a trans or genetic woman. Assertiveness isn't a gender thing, imo. I'm not sure it's entirely fair to make the leap that because someone is assertive, it must be because they're trans and not genetically born female.

Also keep in mind that the anonymity of online forums may afford people the opportunity to be more... shall we say forthright, than they would otherwise be. So it's not really a good indicator of the way people are outside of this environment. It could be misleading.

[Jeneva]

Personally I think this is a trolling post but anyway.   

How do we explain momma bear syndrome. As Sephirah said the bulk of the 'discussions' are about identity. There is a sense of family amount some trans people. So those attacks aren't just at me, but also those I consider in a certain way as if they were my children.

[lecoeurdegrey]

Personally I think this is a trolling post but anyway.   

How do we explain momma bear syndrome. As Sephirah said the bulk of the 'discussions' are about identity. There is a sense of family amount some trans people. So those attacks aren't just at me, but also those I consider in a certain way as if they were my children.

I though the same thing. I don't think op posted this topic meaning to help and using words like aggressive have very bad connotations for fellow transwomen.

[apple pie]

I though the same thing. I don't think op posted this topic meaning to help and using words like aggressive have very bad connotations for fellow transwomen.

I apologize if you feel that way. I sincerely am only wondering if it is just true overall that trans women are more aggressive, for example, due to somewhat permanent brain changes by testosterone that may not be reversible even with HRT... Do you have a suggestion for a word that might better express what I mean than aggressive?

And it is not an attack... If anyone feels like I am attacking them, please consider my post to include myself as one of those I'm talking about, as I am a trans girl too. Maybe you'd like me to re-word it as,

"I wonder if I'm more aggressive than genetic women because I'm trans, because it seems that is quite possible by looking at the forum posts here, and I wonder if that's also true with trans women in general"

[Butterflyhugs]

To answer your question:

No.

[Renee D]

Also keep in mind that the anonymity of online forums may afford people the opportunity to be more... shall we say forthright, than they would otherwise be. So it's not really a good indicator of the way people are outside of this environment. It could be misleading.

I tend to think that most people's behaviors on forums are likely a more true version of who they really are since they don't have to worry about real repercussions. They can drop the filters they need to get along with flesh and blood people. 

[apple pie]

It largely depends on the context and situation. People can be passionate when their identity and self-expression is called into question. And, unfortunately, that seems largely what most of the heated debates here situate around.

Hmmm I hadn't thought of that... that's a good point! Indeed, the discussions around the issues raised here are more likely to be heated and passionate...

Thanks for your input

[eli77]

Honestly, a lot of us are kinda ->-bleeped-<-ed up from trying to survive in rather... complicated bodies and situations. That can express itself in all kinds of ways depending on the person... but it wouldn't surprise me if we had a teeny bit more rage than a random sampling of the general population.

I have oceans of rage in me.

[Sephirah]

I tend to think that most people's behaviors on forums are likely a more true version of who they really are since they don't have to worry about real repercussions. They can drop the filters they need to get along with flesh and blood people. 

That's a fair point. There is that to consider. I don't know, some people I know both online and offline... well... the disparity is quite startling. I guess it depends on how much importance is given to the interactions in a real-world environment with relation to how it goes towards shaping who we are. I suppose you can bridge the gap if you appreciate that people online are actually flesh-and-blood individuals, with emotions and distinct views that often differ from your own.

Every time my mother used to visit, who knew absolutely nothing about computers or the internet whatsoever, she would roll her eyes and say stuff like "don't you get bored talking to robots?". That's genuinely what she thought it was, that online was this sort of make-believe world where AI was all there was. I'm not sure that there aren't a few people who view it as the same, even when participating in that environment. It can remove some of the... humanity from the experience, for lack of a better word.

[Amazon D]

Honestly, a lot of us are kinda ->-bleeped-<-ed up from trying to survive in rather... complicated bodies and situations. That can express itself in all kinds of ways depending on the person... but it wouldn't surprise me if we had a teeny bit more rage than a random sampling of the general population.

I have oceans of rage in me.

Relax lil sis because most people have oceans of rage in them. However, be smart and let it just flow away and know your not alone hugs Danielle

[Jamie D]

Honestly, a lot of us are kinda ->-bleeped-<-ed up from trying to survive in rather... complicated bodies and situations. That can express itself in all kinds of ways depending on the person... but it wouldn't surprise me if we had a teeny bit more rage than a random sampling of the general population.

I have oceans of rage in me.

[pretty]

Well, to be honest, for whatever reason, in terms of averages, MTFs as a group are noticeably more masculine than cis women on basically every count so... there ya go.

(And I'm not trying to convey some message here I'm just stating a fact in response to OP)

[Miki]

Well, to be honest, for whatever reason, in terms of averages, MTFs as a group are noticeably more masculine than cis women on basically every count so... there ya go.

(And I'm not trying to convey some message here I'm just stating a fact in response to OP)

Just sayin'...

-Miki

[A]

I would tend to say that it's likely that in average, a trans woman is probably more aggressive than a genetic woman.

-They have probably received a male education (both from parents and conditioning from peers) impossible to entirely get rid of, which promotes more aggressivity than a female one, in general.

-They probably went through a lot, which is a factor promoting aggressivity.

-They have been exposed to testosterone for a long while, which creates aggressivity. It could very well have long-term effects on character, even after starting HRT.

-They have probably been forced to adopt "aggressive" (assertive?) comportments in order to either be allowed transition by professionals or be accepted by peers or family.

-They could have developed a reflex of aggressivity to keep people away, since relationships as male hurt them.

-They might have overcompensated their dysphoria, whilst in denial by adopting very masculine behaviours, including aggressivity, and kept the habit.

-They might feel they have a "trans identity" and pride to protect and bare teeth whenever it is menaced; in a similar fashion that some Blacks with a sad history could almost look for racist comments and jump the gun with every harmless comment that mentions Blacks.

-They might, in the contrary, want to absolutely not be trans, and react violently as soon as they feel they are not treated exactly like other females.

-They might have embraced a fiercely feminist attitude, which pushes women to "fight for their rights", so they tend to fight a whole lot, in a way that can remind of some feminists of the 70's (or 60's?) who went very extreme by accusing every man of willingly imprisoning them, burning the "evil symbol of submission" that was the bra, etc. In short, the attitude that many people have in front of adversity: they have been having crap, and when it goes too far, they either want the weight of that crap in gold, or ten times the amount of crap on who they (rightfully or not) blame for their hardships.

There are plenty of factors, many of which I probably haven't thought of, that makes our group prone to aggressive comportments.

Despite all that, I don't think that fundamentally, a transsexual tends to be more aggressive. The "illness" just happens to be likely to come with a package of related "risk factors".

Miki: What?

[Miki]

Miki: What?

Sorry, that didn't translate the way it did in my head.

Personal opinion stated as established fact is baffling to me.  It paints with the largest possible brush and fails any standard you could possibly apply to "facts." 

It's this kind of off-the-cuff "conventional wisdom" that creates an environment where labels and blanket statements are accepted.

There is a huge difference between, "This is my take based on my experience..."

and

"I'm just stating a fact."



One is sharing while the other, in my opinion, is ridiculous.

-Miki

[Renee D]

I will say this because I see it a lot. Traits that would to the observer make a cis woman strong, assertive, etc. while pretty much the same trait in a trans woman is often going to be seen as masculine just because they are trans. Goes to show much birth sex is going to always impact our perceptions whether we want it to or not.

Just the way I see it, not mean to be construed as factual information and no studies were done outside of general observation that is likely coloured by my own issues and misconceptions.

So there!

[MiaOhMya!]

Well I will only speak for my experience...

When my little sister gets angry she will kick holes in walls, destroy anything in her path, throw knives, ram your car with hers, punch you when youre not looking, deface property, and curse up a typhoon...

Most I ever done was lock myself in my room....

Plus for the record I date an FTM and I' ve never been with someone so agressive and angry...and he's not even started T.

So it really just depends on the individual!!

[~RoadToTrista~]

Hmm, I always assume transwomen are less aggressive because I think they have less testosterone, lolz. I know that's prolly BS, but I still assume it. >.< I never thought of transwomen as more aggressive, lolz.