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Are you embarassed to walk with other trans in public?

Started by Silent Killer, April 29, 2012, 03:59:28 AM

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Silent Killer

I live with another mtf trans housemate and we get along very well inside the house but I don't like going out with her in public. She looks too masculine and her voice is like a truck driver. Everytime I am with her, I always get busted too as trans and this embarasses me as hell and infuriates me.

I struggle to pass but I pass with very great difficulty and people doubt but whenever I am with her it smashes all the doubts instantly and people confirm in a fraction of second what I am and this pisses me off when guys start mocking at us calling us 'Hi dudes, hi ->-bleeped-<-s etc...' She says she feels very offended about this but me I am helpless and too self-conscious. It's that me I DON'T LIKE to be perceived as a trans but as a real woman. If you fall in the category 'proud to be trans or not mind being known as trans' it's ok but how to cope when you are ashamed to be perceived as trans?

Anybody else feels like me here, hope to cope with this situation not to ruin our friendship?
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lilacwoman

it's quite common and natural to dislike being out with non-passers especially if the non-passer makes no attempt to pass.

I don't have any contact now with any of the nice TS/TV/CDs I knew and used to socialise with.
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Silent Killer

Quote from: lilacwoman on April 29, 2012, 04:07:44 AM
it's quite common and natural to dislike being out with non-passers especially if the non-passer makes no attempt to pass.

I don't have any contact now with any of the nice TS/TV/CDs I knew and used to socialise with.

Yeah that's the problem, she makes NO EFFORT at all on her voice and speaks as if she was still a guy RECKLESSLY and her body language is so ROUGH and manly and me too my other passable and beautiful trans friends are no more and I prefer walk alone always than be accompanied with someone that makes me feel constantly uncomfortable. Inside the house, I don't care how she behaves at all.
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pretty

I really don't like to associate with obviously trans people in public  :-\ because I get really frustrated with the general perception that that is just what trans people are like.

So yes I wouldn't really want to be out and about with a trans person who made no effort to pass or was oblivious to how they carried themselves. For them, that's okay I guess if they don't think the effort is worth it. I don't want that to be applied to me though. I don't want to be roped off into the comically masculine group where I don't belong  :(. It's different if they're actually trying but then most people have a not-so-realistic view of what "trying" means.

I don't think you should let your roommate drag you down with that kind of laziness in passing  :). If you could pass otherwise there's no reason to force yourself into public trans status... imo.
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spacial

No, not for a second.


Edit,

Sorry, I don't mean to be intolerant here. But self expression is what separates us, not only from animals, but from ignorance, stupidity and fear.

One of the things I love about being a woman is my freedom to express myself. One of the main things I hated about being a man was not.

I would be proud of any friend who expressed themselves, in any manner that makes them comfortable.

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Sephirah

Quote from: spacial on April 29, 2012, 05:07:03 AM
No, not for a second.


Edit,

Sorry, I don't mean to be intolerant here. But self expression is what separates us, not only from animals, but from ignorance, stupidity and fear.

One of the things I love about being a woman is my freedom to express myself. One of the main things I hated about being a man was not.

I would be proud of any friend who expressed themselves, in any manner that makes them comfortable.



+1

That doesn't just go for someone who's transgendered, either. I don't subscribe to the notion that what someone else does makes me look bad.
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kelly_aus

Quote from: spacial on April 29, 2012, 05:07:03 AM
No, not for a second.


Edit,

Sorry, I don't mean to be intolerant here. But self expression is what separates us, not only from animals, but from ignorance, stupidity and fear.

One of the things I love about being a woman is my freedom to express myself. One of the main things I hated about being a man was not.

I would be proud of any friend who expressed themselves, in any manner that makes them comfortable.

Another +1 from me..

Quote from: Sephirah on April 29, 2012, 05:25:39 AM
+1

That doesn't just go for someone who's transgendered, either. I don't subscribe to the notion that what someone else does makes me look bad.

And a +1 for this...
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V M

Quote from: spacial on April 29, 2012, 05:07:03 AM
No, not for a second.


Edit,

Sorry, I don't mean to be intolerant here. But self expression is what separates us, not only from animals, but from ignorance, stupidity and fear.

One of the things I love about being a woman is my freedom to express myself. One of the main things I hated about being a man was not.

I would be proud of any friend who expressed themselves, in any manner that makes them comfortable.



Quote from: Sephirah on April 29, 2012, 05:25:39 AM
+1

That doesn't just go for someone who's transgendered, either. I don't subscribe to the notion that what someone else does makes me look bad.

+1 on both counts here as well  :)
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- V M
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Jeneva

Quote from: Silent Killer on April 29, 2012, 03:59:28 AM
but how to cope when you are ashamed to be perceived as trans?
You learn that SHAME is a meaningless emotion and move on.  You are who you are.  Stop accepting the shame.

Your post isn't really about not being around others, but rather learning to lose the shame.
Blessed Be!

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JoanneB

My wife has an old adage "One TS can pass, two or more together forget it". While it was a pretty good assessment back in the 70's there is still quite a bit of truth to it I think, especially if you are with someone who does not easily pass. Being able to pass has been a supremely important point for me. I endured a lifetime of abuse as a kid for many reasons, none having to do with being trans. The feeling that I could never pass led to the decision to do the best I could as a guy. It had to better then another 60 years of the same or worse abuse for being "different"

Now, time out for an empathy reminder. She may be fully aware how she does not, but wants to get out, does not have he self confidence, and admires how you can pass, looks up to you, and wants to become more like you.A heavy burden to live up to, I know. I won't try to read in or assume any reasons behind her looks or voice. We live in a very large tent. My wife had TS room mates. She spent a lot of emotional energy on helping them. But that is her personality type. Still, she gave up on a few. Just because she is a room mate, a live in therapist and personal stylist is not part of the deal.

So far my times out with other TSs have been uneventful. I always feared I would be cause for trouble being so tall and litle faith in my abilities. I know I would feel embarrassed being clocked in a situation where, as a group, we all were. I am far from a militant, in your face, person. The times I've been in a group situation with a dear friend who was nervous or afraid to go into some place like a restaurant it just brought out the "Mother Grizzly" in me and the others. I'd like to think that even if she wasn't able to pass well, I would have felt the same, even if it was just the two of us.
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Eve87

Absolutely does not bother me. There is really nothing wrong with being visibly gender variant or trans. I never really had the "must fit in, must not stand out" mindset. Yes, I pass, but I still like to play with androgyny (presenation-wise) and stuff. Shame is the lie someone told you about yourself!
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8888

Would go out with her as a guy not girl. I don't really care if the person with me makes a fool out of themselves as long as they don't attract physical violence or bring me into it. I'm not the type of person to argue with someone I don't know or ask for negative attention, most of the time I just want to be left alone.
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Amazon D

i think it has more to do with your roommate being a extrovert and you being an introvert.

I think any extrovert would be upsetting to an introvert.

In your own home you are not seen by others so you can not fear being extroverted by her.

am i right?
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MyKa

I personally don't know any others but at the gay bar I go to there are several. I say hats off them for not giving a ->-bleeped-<- what other people think! There's no way I could step out like that.
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JennX

Quote from: spacial on April 29, 2012, 05:07:03 AM
No, not for a second.


Edit,

Sorry, I don't mean to be intolerant here. But self expression is what separates us, not only from animals, but from ignorance, stupidity and fear.

One of the things I love about being a woman is my freedom to express myself. One of the main things I hated about being a man was not.

I would be proud of any friend who expressed themselves, in any manner that makes them comfortable.

+1000000000000000000

I can't fathom to understand any other response from a transgendered person.

Ignorance breeds hate.
"If you want the rainbow, you gotta put up with the rain."
-Dolly Parton
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Siren

I'm not transgendered but I wouldn't want to be seen with a non-passable trans person in case anyone assumed I was trans too.
I simply wouldn't want to be seen as something I'm not.
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ffern

Personally I feel less self conscious and relax when I'm with someone i know, whether they are trans and pass or not or are whatever. Safety in numbers kinda thing or something I guess, and when people shout abuse or anything I usually do the rabbit in the headlights act and then only think of a retort half an hour later, so going out with my ex is good because she can just come right back and give them crap,  though i guess maybe we're lucky as its never happened much to us.
"I decided that I was a lemon for a couple of weeks. I kept myself amused all that time jumping in and out of a gin and tonic."
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Renee D

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A

I understand your struggle... I sure would feel the very same in your situation.

I think your best bet is to do your best to help her pass better.
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Butterflyhugs

QuoteNo, not for a second.


Edit,

Sorry, I don't mean to be intolerant here. But self expression is what separates us, not only from animals, but from ignorance, stupidity and fear.

One of the things I love about being a woman is my freedom to express myself. One of the main things I hated about being a man was not.

I would be proud of any friend who expressed themselves, in any manner that makes them comfortable.

Quote from: JennX on April 29, 2012, 09:34:38 AM
+1000000000000000000

I can't fathom to understand any other response from a transgendered person.

Ignorance breeds hate.

Same.
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