Non-binary clothing

[Metroland]

I am trying to find clothes that are non-binary.  Most of the clothes in shops are either hyper masculine or hyper feminine. Or at least they are marketed this way.

Are there stores that carry non-binary fashion or androgynous fashion?

Thanks

Adonia (first time using this name!!!)

[aleon515]

Hmm depends on what you are looking for? What country you live in perhaps?
Thrift stores are good. No one notices if you go to the men's section or the women's.
Landsend.com has some more androgynous stuff at a decent price. (Somewhat less so, eddiebauer.com, etc.

I think summer clothes are a bit harder than winter.

--Jay Jay

[Metroland]

Thanks Jay-Jay,

I prefer a website because it will be more difficult to visit a store.

I will check out land's end.  But I was wondering if a store specifically designs clothes with non-binary or androgyns in mind?

Thanks

[Shang]

For women bodied people:

http://fashionfinder.asos.com/womens-outfits/androgynous

Unspecified body:

http://www.androgynousfashion.com/

A lot of places seem to recommend JC Penny's, Old Navy, etc. for looking for more unisex/androgynous clothing.

Edit:  I'm still looking around for specific lines, but I'm not coming up with much.

[aleon515]

I just read Urban outfitters and american apparel. I didn't like the later, not the clothes, but the poses of the models. But if you could get past that....abercrombie & fitch is another one. I have not shopped at any of these. Just did a google search "where to buy androgynous clothes".



--Jay Jay

[ativan]

Thanks for the sites Lynn, I'll have to check into them tomorrow, let you know what I think.

I shop online and have a shopping friend that we don't care what dept we're shopping in.
Goodwill and other thrift places, to JC Penney's to Macy's. Don't forget Hot Topic.
I'm good, I slam through racks and we decide pretty quick with and for each other, although I'm better at it.
It's just some basic rules, what the imagination of others are about, and always always go for the cut that fits you.
That's far more important than the style itself. 90% of it is how it lies on you, a little to snug here or there or a little to loose and it can devastate the look from on the hanger. And color. Has to match up to skin tones for the most part.
There are lot's of clothes that can go either way, depending on the fit and what you wear them with.
I just got done posting that I'm wearing camouflage cargo pants (loose fit, except tight belt) and a (tight) black t-shirt.
Sounds pretty masculine? It's a kick-ass combo with 3" chunky heels. It works. (It works the imagination of those looking)
Always try to bring a 'trusted with fashion friend' along who knows what you like, it helps a lot. Or send pics for opinions.
(confessions of a born shopaholic)

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[Metroland]

Thanks a lot guys.  Lynn the websites seem really good.  I will check them out.

[Carbon]

At the same time, nonbinary clothing is really any clothing that nonbinary people wear. We aren't our clothes.

Good luck.

[suzifrommd]

At the same time, nonbinary clothing is really any clothing that nonbinary people wear. We aren't our clothes.

True, we aren't our clothes, but I think there's more than that.

There's clothing that you can't look at it and say "that was made for women" or "that was made for men."

Of course what women wear and what men wear are defined by society's expectations blah blah blah, but the expectations are there. A gown is for women. A tux for men. And for someone who doesn't want their dress to express either gender, we have ... what?

It seems the more formal the setting, the harder it is to find non-specific clothes. Men and women's floppy sweats are indistinguishable, but men's suits look nothing like women's suits.

Until our friend Metroland posted this, I didn't really think about dressing androgynously at all. But I looked at some of the stuff they had on those sites, and the idea is intriguing. It irks me though, that everything seems to be directed toward a female body. Us male-bodied folk are gettin' no love.

[GhostTown11]

Is there really a difference between non binary clothing and whatnot?

[Carbon]

A gown is for women. A tux for men.

I've definitely known women who preferred suits, though. It didn't make them any less of a woman.

I'm totally behind anything that lets people be more happy and fulfilled, but the significance comes internally, from what you would be even without any clothes at all.

[Carbon]

My favorite example of a woman wanting a suit is a wedding I went to where the groom had asked his close female friend to be his best man, so she came to the wedding wearing a suit to better fit that role.

[suzifrommd]

I've definitely known women who preferred suits, though. It didn't make them any less of a woman.

Me too. Women can look amazing in suits that's are cut well to their figure.

But when I wear a suit, it doesn't feel androgynous, it feels very male.

[Carbon]

Me too. Women can look amazing in suits that's are cut well to their figure.

I'm thinking of suits cut to fit men.

People do what they do.

[ativan]

Suit cuts for men are getting more tight in the middle, similar to a womens cut, some lines.
I forget which ones and were I was shopping, Kohls maybe? They were nice.
On the other hand, there are suits in the womens lines that have a very male look to them.
I haven't run into to many that really define an Androgynous kind of look (subjective).
A nicely cut mens suit, cut a little in at the waist and womens dress pants, straight leg at least, look very well together.
Some taller heels, just peeking out will enhance the look quite a bit.
Accessories, jewelry and watches work well if they don't stand out to much. Even a tasteful pin is nice.
The subliminal will charge the imagination of those who see.

But true, if you are wearing it, it becomes non-binary by default.
Follow your instincts and ask friends for opinions.

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[suzifrommd]

I'm thinking of suits cut to fit men.

Yup, I'll agree.

Of course the male part of me is straight, so I think women look good in just about anything.

[AbraCadabra]

Non-binary clothing... gosh, isn't that what we still call 'unisex' ?

There aught to be plenty of just that, and mostly in the men's side of department stores.

Easy peacy I'd say,
Axélle

[Oriole]

I would agree with that Axélle said.
It's not really the clothes that makes you look androgynous anyway, it's mostly what you look like overall and clothes are only a complement.

[ativan]

Odd as it seems, unisex is still for binary people to look genderless.
The same but different. Probably just splitting hairs here, but I feel that there is a difference.
As we are already without gender or a third gender, so to speak, we're defining ourselves as such.
Which is going to be very different from one non-binary to the next.
Unisex has a look of binary trying to define that androgynous look, a fashion statement.
Whereas we are just trying to look like ourselves. Subtle, yet there.
To use unisex as a fashion statement is a reinforcement of binary gender.
Yep it's weird, I know, but it is a point of view that I can't deny to myself or another.

Just remember that androgynous is an expression of appearance.
You can look androgynous and not be Androgyn
You can be Androgyn and not look androgynous
If You are Androgyn and look androgynous, you don't.
You then look androgyn. Which can have a look of androgynous, but it isn't.

I posted that last Oct 2nd in the beginning of the thread on the difference between androgynous and androgyne.
I still feel this way about it.
I'm not binary and I want to avoid that fashion appearance. I want to dress like me.
It's difficult and is a part of finding myself in all of this, it's a part of transition that is particular to me.

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[ativan]

I think this topic should be moved to:

Androgynous Expression, Appearance and Style
for discussion of Androgynous Expression, Appearance, Fashion and Style.

It's a good thread, better served there, if the Mods agree?
Some interesting posts, points of view.

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