How do you feel about phalloplasty?

[mangoslayer]

No I was not offensive, It was in oppion, Their still lacking in areas

Opinions can still be offensive. If I said you were ugly it would be offensive even though it's an opinion (I don't think you are ugly, i'm just using this as an example)

Yea that's messed up which is why I'm so dysphoric and you just made it worse, Thanks

Don't try and make this guy feel bad because you're dysphoric. It's not his fault.


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[Brandon]

Opinions can still be offensive. If I said you were ugly it would be offensive even though it's an opinion (I don't think you are ugly, i'm just using this as an example)
Don't try and make this guy feel bad because you're dysphoric. It's not his fault.

Yea but because I'm not ugly I wouldn't find it offensive because I know I'm and I wasn't trying to make him feel past everything he said in that post is what I want to be able to do that's why it made me dysphoric, And how about you quit taking sides, If you read it you would get it

[mangoslayer]

Yea but because I'm not ugly I wouldn't find it offensive because I know I'm and I wasn't trying to make him feel past everything he said in that post is what I want to be able to do that's why it made me dysphoric, And how about you quit taking sides, If you read it you would get it

Okay then I guess that was a bad example but do you get what i'm saying about how an opinion can still be offensive?
you said "you just made it worse, thanks" that's blaming him and comes off as you trying to get him to feel bad. I'm not taking sides, i just think it's rude to blame someone for something that isn't their fault.

[Brandon]

Okay then I guess that was a bad example but do you get what i'm saying about how an opinion can still be offensive?
you said "you just made it worse, thanks" that's blaming him and comes off as you trying to get him to feel bad. I'm not taking sides, i just think it's rude to blame someone for something that isn't their fault.

I was not blamming him, It probally sounded like that but it wasn't, Im dysphoric because th sugery options arent as good as well as not having support, Cisgendered peoe have even said that to me

[King Malachite]

Ahh i think there was some miscommunication there. I use the words cum and orgasm interchangably. I have heard of one guy ejaculating post phallo and several post meta.

Gotcha.  Yeah the ratio of ejaculation seems to be far more in metoidioplasties than the phallo.  Perhaps there's not enough force to shoot out the fluid in the longer urethra.

I think you're getting confused by what "cum" means. When people say "Cum" they usually mean an orgasm not always actual ejaculating.

That's interesting.  I have never seen anyone mention the word "cum" without fluids being involved. When I hear the word "cum", it's usually referring to some sort of ejaculation, be it sterile or not.  Perhaps it's just the part of the world I live in.

[DriftingCrow]

There seems to be a lot of misinformation and hear-say going on in this thread about bottom surgery. The thing is, most pics online are like 2 or 3 weeks after the surgery and you know what? Top surgery usually looks crappy 2 or 3 weeks after surgery too and trans guys get that in droves without all the backlash. People need to give it a rest. If you don't know about it, DO RESEARCH and look at credible sources like people that have ACTUALLY had the surgery. No more hear-say internet BS from people that have never had it.

I understand that any surgery looks bad until the swelling goes down, the incision heals, and so on, but where do we find photos of well-healed bottom surgery results? I've seen results that are shortly post-op, but I haven't managed to find any that are a taken after the healing is complete.

Any website suggestions would be appreciated, I don't even want to consider getting a surgery unless I know what to expect after it heals.

That's interesting.  I have never seen anyone mention the word "cum" without fluids being involved. When I hear the word "cum", it's usually referring to some sort of ejaculation, be it sterile or not.  Perhaps it's just the part of the world I live in.

Same up here in New England Malachite. I've heard "come" as in orgasm, but "cum" is just always the ejaculation.

[V M]

Hi friends 

Some folks are getting a bit out of hand with the arguing and the foul language and what could be seen as personal attacks

Time to take a break and find something constructive do with yourselves and to think about keeping a civil tone when replying

Topic locked for further review

Thank you

V M

[V M]

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[King Malachite]

I understand that any surgery looks bad until the swelling goes down, the incision heals, and so on, but where do we find photos of well-healed bottom surgery results? I've seen results that are shortly post-op, but I haven't managed to find any that are a taken after the healing is complete.

Any website suggestions would be appreciated, I don't even want to consider getting a surgery unless I know what to expect after it heals.

Same up here in New England Malachite. I've heard "come" as in orgasm, but "cum" is just always the ejaculation.

That's a new one for me too about "come".  I always thought people said "come" because it sounded less vulgar, but I thought both "come" and "cum" were just the same thing.  Then again, I don't really do either so I wouldn't know lol.

As far as phallo results,  there are some good ones in some of the yahoo groups.  Dr. Crane has some pictures of his phallo work, though they aren't all the way healed they aren't too bad.  There's also transbucket and a clip of "My Transexual Summer" on Youtube that has a guy's completed phallo results.  I was also emailed some photos by a guy here of some phalloplasties, I could email you them if you're interested.

[Taka]

i'm just waiting for the day when they can replicate erectile tissue. maybe i'd get too tempted by the possibility.

That's a new one for me too about "come".  I always thought people said "come" because it sounded less vulgar, but I thought both "come" and "cum" were just the same thing.  Then again, I don't really do either so I wouldn't know lol.

"cum" is a variant spelling of "come". to come is to orgasm, with or without ejaculation, i think it's used the same for males and females. for some interesting reason, many people think that "cum" is a verb of its own, and spell the past tense "cummed" (it's actually "came"). it might eventually have to get its own dictionary entry if people continue doing that. "cum" is also used as a noun, meaning semen ejaculated at orgasm. the original spelling is still "come".
it's not that "come" sounds less vulgar, i think it's more like "cum" looks more sexual (better for porn). many languages use verbs equivalent to either "come" or "go" for orgasming.

[aleon515]

That's a new one for me too about "come".  I always thought people said "come" because it sounded less vulgar, but I thought both "come" and "cum" were just the same thing.  Then again, I don't really do either so I wouldn't know lol.

As far as phallo results,  there are some good ones in some of the yahoo groups.  Dr. Crane has some pictures of his phallo work, though they aren't all the way healed they aren't too bad.  There's also transbucket and a clip of "My Transexual Summer" on Youtube that has a guy's completed phallo results.  I was also emailed some photos by a guy here of some phalloplasties, I could email you them if you're interested.

I think these are three sources of recent results for phallo. My Transsexual Summer knocks your socks off honestly it looks so good, but no explanations.

A LOT of cisguys don't necessarily have completely "normal" (this is a dryer setting and I don't use this term) use of their penises. For instance many older (and I don't mean old-- perhaps over 40) guys need the pumps or other ways to deal with not getting ejections. I don't know the percentage, but I have heard that it is actually quite high.

No ejaculation, but organism. I don't know re these terms as I have heard ciswomen use the term "cum" and "come" somewhat interchangeably. Probably a porn term that filtered down into regular use.

Anytime you need to start a sentence with the words "I don't mean to offend you but..." Let's just say it is not a good sign that the sentence is going to turn out ok. Or "It's just my opinion but..." same problem.

I also feel that people should read these threads with care. They are sort of bound to be triggering to some people. I don't mean they shouldn't be posted but just if this is about surgery, phallo, meta, even top surgery (though those threads often are so broad they are unlikely to trigger anyone) etc. people are going to find concepts and so on that trigger them.



--Jay

[Taka]

No ejaculation, but organism. I don't know re these terms as I have heard ciswomen use the term "cum" and "come" somewhat interchangeably. Probably a porn term that filtered down into regular use.

read my above post regarding this. i don't really believe porn came up with this meaning to the word "come", though i suspect it of changing the spelling to "cum".

[Jack_M]

I think my biggest worry with phalloplasty is the fact that it is multiple surgeries and stuff dealing with creating a urethra can get tricky. But if I knew I was under the care of someone who was truly good at what they are doing and it wasn't impossibly expensive I would definitely love it. In time though. Hopefully things change and insurance will cover more.

Definitely agree here.  It's not just the costs but the whole process does take some time and is, indeed, complex.  I'd like it but I'm not entirely optimistic about it ever actually happening because of these reasons.  And the arm scars are a little off putting to me personally. 

However, the fact that I do still want it despite that makes me fearful of how desperate I may become for it following top surgery, knowing how the dysphoria can just amplify there afterwards.

[Arch]

I don't want additional surgeries. I don't want the pain, I don't want the risks, and I don't want the recovery time. I don't want to lose time from work, and I don't want to pay out more money (I will have to, even if the procedures are covered by insurance). I don't want to go through an entire process that could take a couple of years to complete. I worry about the results, and I am afraid of complications.

But I don't see any other alternative. At the very least, I would get meta and then save phallo for later, but if I'm sure I'm going to have phallo, I might as well just do that from the beginning.

Sometimes I wish I could be happy with what I have, but that ship has sailed. I'm in favor of phallo for myself because it's just what I have to do--at some point.

[CursedFireDean]

Since I'm still really young, I'm really hoping that something will come of the promising things in Dr. Atala's research. I know it won't be soon, but if he can use his research to make functioning penises for rabbits, and he is working on making that work for cisguys who have lost theirs for some reason or another, I'm hoping that his research will, in my lifetime, also be an option for transguys. To my understanding of how it works, they could use the clit tissues (and I guess urethral tissues as well) to basically grow a functioning penis. (that is of course a simplified version of it though.) I may not be able to get my girl pregnant that way, but at least it would be my own erection. I'm pretty averse to the idea of having to pump up my dick.

[King Malachite]

Since I'm still really young, I'm really hoping that something will come of the promising things in Dr. Atala's research. I know it won't be soon, but if he can use his research to make functioning penises for rabbits, and he is working on making that work for cisguys who have lost theirs for some reason or another, I'm hoping that his research will, in my lifetime, also be an option for transguys.

I really hope so too.  I'm not going to hold my breath, but it's nice to dream, right?  I always say this, but at least one of the good things about being a broke, 21 year old is that hopefully by the time I'm able to afford bottom surgery, that there will be more advancements, even if they are small advancements.

[Taka]

Since I'm still really young, I'm really hoping that something will come of the promising things in Dr. Atala's research. I know it won't be soon, but if he can use his research to make functioning penises for rabbits, and he is working on making that work for cisguys who have lost theirs for some reason or another, I'm hoping that his research will, in my lifetime, also be an option for transguys. To my understanding of how it works, they could use the clit tissues (and I guess urethral tissues as well) to basically grow a functioning penis. (that is of course a simplified version of it though.) I may not be able to get my girl pregnant that way, but at least it would be my own erection. I'm pretty averse to the idea of having to pump up my dick.

from what i understood, they use smooth muscle cells and the cells on the inside of blood vessels to create erectile tissue. i don't think it's as easy as just taking tissue from the clit, if they could do that, it shouldn't be as difficult as it really is. it was also interesting to read about how erection happens when smooth muscle cells are relaxed to give more space for blood. might be a reason for why stress can cause ed.

[Exus]

Since I'm still really young, I'm really hoping that something will come of the promising things in Dr. Atala's research. I know it won't be soon, but if he can use his research to make functioning penises for rabbits, and he is working on making that work for cisguys who have lost theirs for some reason or another, I'm hoping that his research will, in my lifetime, also be an option for transguys. To my understanding of how it works, they could use the clit tissues (and I guess urethral tissues as well) to basically grow a functioning penis. (that is of course a simplified version of it though.) I may not be able to get my girl pregnant that way, but at least it would be my own erection. I'm pretty averse to the idea of having to pump up my dick.

I'm 19 and afraid i'll die first before they come out with something that complex. 

[dalebert]

I'm 19 and afraid i'll die first before they come out with something that complex. 

I would bet it happens in your lifetime, maybe even while you're still reasonably young. The singularity approaches. I'm expecting fully-functional-in-every-way sex changes to be as trivial as going to get a haircut before too long. And as options get better, I expect the percentage of people who identify as trans to go up.

[spacerace]

And as options get better, I expect the percentage of people who identify as trans to go up.

This also works the other way - when there are more trans people, the options will get better because the market will be larger, and surgeons will have an incentive to expand and improve techniques and capabilities. The number of trans people seems to already be increasing exponentially as people are realizing they can transition.

The singularity approaches.

I used to think Kurzweil was crazy, but then he got hired by Google.