Apparently Joel Osteen denies intersex people exist

[Shawn Sunshine]

These are the same people who: do not BELIEVE evolution, did not BELIEVE  that earth is not the center of the Universe, did BELIVE in whichcraft and thus burned houndred of thousand of Innocent allege-whiches, killed thousand of people who suffered from convulsions because they BELIEVE those poor souls were possessed by demons...

Now, the tell us they do not BELIEVE there is intersex people? Wow, why I am not surprised?

Who else I am supposed to do to proof you the folly of listening to those people ? As it has been pointed to you before, there are other Christians churches who are accepting of GLBT people without deviating from the core of "Jesus message," why not to seek one of those churches?

I am seeking out those churches. I will be going to one very soon

Also I apologize If I got a little upset, I was just wanting to show the difference between a loving and accepting Christian and a church that just wants to ignore it all. If you met me in real life you would like me and I would like you regardless of how you believed. I am easy to get along with and the only people I can't stand are violent or ignorant people.

[Constance]

I am seeking out those churches. I will be going to one very soon

The church that I go to, the Congregational Church of San Mateo, is a church very much like what Peky describes. In your search, try the UCC and specifically The UCC Coalition for LGBT Concerns. Look for churches that are "ONA," or "open and affirming," or that have an ONA status that is "Y."

[Michael Joseph]

That makes no sense. Of course they exist. Believing your God makes no mistakes is foolish. Denying this is delusional.

Ok well thats cool but um not what i was saying. in reply to the topic i was saying that if being intersex isn't real because thats a mistake then what is something like cancer? obviously people with cancer exist. But clearly u dont get what im saying, i dont even know why im wasting my time writing back to you im delusional after all.

[AbraCadabra]

The whole thing ALWAYS gets so confusing because of the "duality" concept, i.e., that God is happening outside of us.

EVERYTHING that is about us is God, that includes us. Reading the New Testament and Jesus' sayings actually CAN make one understand this. God is all-present; he is 'in us' AND 'with us'.

How can something as a 'mistake' EXIST outside of God? It doesn't. And in any case Nature does not know ANY concept of mistakes, - in fact Nature does not even know 'concepts' does not NEED 'concepts'! Nature simply IS. Nature creates variations because that is the nature - of NATURE.

If we confuse God to be something outside of us, our very existence, - we have some old woman (man?) with a cloak and a walking stick looking down on us, telling us what horrible mistakes we make?

That MAY BE Old Testament in some folks' heads? It is not what Jesus had to say, not in my understanding.

Lastly look into the acceptance of 'Eunuchs' those that are born... and those that are made... and ALL will be 'accepted in to the kingdom of heaven', even in the Old Testament AND the New.
I.e. Isaiah 56: 3-5 and Matthew 19:11-12, compliments of Catherine Sarah

This preacher does not seem to know his bible - or had some very limited education in hermeneutic.

Amen,
Axelle

[peky]

God created the Universe with all the rules and laws for its unfolding. By its creation point (Big-Bang), the essence of God permeates the whole Universe, inner and outer.

Imbedded in the Universe's unfolding laws are those of: chaos (which can be predicted), determinism (which can also be predicted), and randomness (which cannot be predicted). It is the randomness of the Universe that seems to perplex humans the most. yet randomness and the other predictive laws of the Universe are but the force unfolding the Universe towards an "Omega Point."

So, my view point is that God moves from within and without myself, and that my actions overall contribute toward moving me and the Universe towards the "Omega Point."

Peky

[LordKAT]

God doesn't make mistakes. He does, however, have this non-interference clause.

Also, "we are made in his image", God is spirit so the image of god would be spirit, not a physical body.

[Dawn Heart]

I left the Christian church because of all the two-faced, hypocritical, convenient interpretation of bible scripture and the church being too political. When I say political, I mean hateful. The church started using the bible as a weapon of hate, and selectively using scripture but ignoring other parts of scripture. In the church's eyes, Jesus said to love your neighbor as yourself. The church however, only welcomes straight people and will not have LGBTIQ people.

I have seen the church go from a place of worship to a vehicle of hate, and a forceful place of hate at that.

The experience of others may vary, I only tell my own story from my own real life experience.

[justmeinoz]

The man is obviously an ignorant idiot, as I like a lot of people here know Intersex people personally.
I, however, have no real proof of the existence of this Osteen person.  If it was a toss-up between his existence and God's I would have to go with God actually on the balance of historical probability.

[Kendall]

Crucial to their argument is their view that homosexuality and ->-bleeped-<- is learned. Otherwise their view falls apart. And like the when jesus was asked whose sin resulted in having a blind man, he replied no one.

Kendall

[peky]

Crucial to their argument is their view that homosexuality and ->-bleeped-<- is learned. Otherwise their view falls apart. And like the when Jesus was asked whose sin resulted in having a blind man, he replied no one.

Kendall

Jesus was 33 YO and unmarried, at an age when most Jewish boys were married by age 16, why? May be he as eunuch?

[Joelene9]

  I do not give too much credence to TV and radio preachers.  After being burned by one in the early 1970's (Oral Roberts) I am quite skeptical of their message and delivery.  Billy Graham and J. Vernon McGee preached the basic stuff and did not embellish the message.  It was J. Vernon McGee who got me off of the "Book of Revelation is coming" bandwagon that was popular after the Vietnam war. 
  Joel Osteen is one of those televangelists who knows how to use the power of mass media as with the others before him.  There were those who preached against homosexuality and got caught in bed in some fleabag somewhere with a live man.  God will not tolerate this in the end as He warned many times in the Bible about the false prophets, false healers and the false teachers. 
  Yes, there were intersex people in history, but not much was noted.  They were known in the New Testament as "eunuchs of God".  Rev. Osteen uses his tele-pulpit to broadcast his own ideals and prejudices to like minded people and ignore or discard the rest of the message the Bible provides. 
  Joelene