Christian Heaven?

[King Malachite]

I would like to hear your thoughts on how you think heaven would be like as a Christian.


I would love to be reborn as a biological male and enjoy all the great and pleasurable sensations that a biological male body could give me.  I also would like a mansion overlooking a beach.  I could surf the heavenly cosmos too.  My mansion would have a game room with a large flatscreen tv and unlimited storage on my PS3.  When I'm not lazy I would like to be in a video game with the God mode cheat on lol.  I also would like a partner to spend an eternity with and I am going to be honest.  I would like to have a sexual and intimate relationship with that partner as well.  I'd like to cosplay in heaven too and get on the internet.  Oh yeah and I want to eat all the food I want and not get fat.  That mean Chinese, cheesecake, philly cheesesteaks and curly fries, seafood, etc. and I would be in perfect health.

I could literally write 10-20 pages of what I would like to do in heaven but those are just a few things.  I just want it to be like a "whatever would make you happy go for it" type thing.


However it does make me sad when I hear people saying that I wouldn't want these Earthly things in heaven like sex, food, video games, surfing, sleeping etc. and that all we would want to do is worship God 24/7 nonstop. That's fine for the people want to do that but I'm pretty sure I'm not the only Christian who secretly feels that that doesn't sound like fun at all.  There I said it and I feel relieved.

Another thing is the gender aspect.  Do you think you will keep your gender in heaven?  A lot of people don't think so since everyone is united but if that's the case why should I even transition if it won't matter in the afterlife?  Is it possible that part of the Bible was not to be taken literally (same with the no marriage in heaven aspect)?

I mean no disrepect to others who feel opposite of me but I'm just trying to figure it out.  I just want to be happy in the afterlife.

How do you feel about these things?   

[Jamie D]

I would love to be reborn as a biological male and enjoy all the great and pleasurable sensations that a biological male body could give me.

Be careful what you wish for, especially when you don't mention "human." 

[King Malachite]

I would love to be reborn as a biological male and enjoy all the great and pleasurable sensations that a biological male body could give me.

Be careful what you wish for, especially when you don't mention "human." 

I wouldn't have to be human-human....but human-like body with arms and legs would do especially if I wanted to play video games.

[Jamie D]

An extra pair of arms might really help!

[SarahM777]

Heaven is a place where there will be no more pain,defects,sin, or death. A place where we will walk and talk with our heavenly Father and see Him as He is. Those who sins have been washed by the shed blood of Jesus,who trust Him, love Him and obey Him.

We are given very little as to what it will be like. Marriage will no longer exist. It is only for this life.
He calls His chosen ones sons and daughters. He made genders. When Jesus rose from the dead Thomas knew who He was,it implies that when He rose from the dead Jesus was still a male.  Our bodies will be changed and they will be as God intended them to be.

Will our praise and worship change? Of course it will no longer be formalized,ritualized and prepackaged. It will come from a thankful heart,pure and unadulterated. Our very beings will do so in all we do in the tasks that He will give us.

All who walk there will be pure and Holy as God is Holy. What He has in store for those who believe is beyond imagination.

[King Malachite]

It has almost been a year since I made this thread and I have continued to think about this topic.  As of right now, I have come to the realization that heaven is not for me.  Don't get me wrong, I'll take heaven over hell ANY day in a heartbeat.   However, if God gives me the option to cease existing in the afterlife, then I will gladly accept it.  I'm actually hoping that, as a Christian, God will give me this option after I die. I would go before the Judgement seat of Christ (not the Great White Throne Judgement-oh gosh no), get judged and then ask Him to give me the choice not to exist.  That would be my version of everlasting life.  It's rare to to actually find other Christians who want the same.  I have only found about 3-4 who feel the same way via an internet search.  That gives me a little bit of comfort to know that I'm not alone in my thinking and there are probably more people out there who feel the same (but perhaps don't want to admit it to themselves just yet).  I know many Christians wouldn't understand why I would want this, but that's okay.  Hopefully God will give me this option.

So that's where I currently stand on this a year later.

[spacial]

Can I ask you, the point of everlasting life is that you, as an individual, will live for eternity?

Now if your life in eternity is not the same as it is now, how can that be you?

If we are all a sum total of our experiences, surely, living a different life will necessarily make you a different person.

If we are not the sum total of our experiences, then how are we each to be judged? A mass murderer would be as much part of his make up as you or I. His behaviour would be a product of his make up and not his decisions.

[King Malachite]

Can I ask you, the point of everlasting life is that you, as an individual, will live for eternity?

Now if your life in eternity is not the same as it is now, how can that be you?

If we are all a sum total of our experiences, surely, living a different life will necessarily make you a different person.

This is a big part of why I don't want to go. For example, I hate being around people and I don't ever see that changing.  Yet, I'm assuming there's going to be a lot of people in the Biblical version of heaven.  With the exception of some trans brothers and sisters here, I don't really want to be around any of them.  If I go there and I'm totally happy all of the time and not thinking about the fact that I don't want to be around them, then that really isn't me.  It can't be the real Malachite because the real Malachite is shy around people, and he's perfectly fine with that and doesn't want that to change.  If that is the "real" me, then I would almost equate it to being brainwashed (though I would get burned as a heretic if I ever try to say that in Christian forums),  This was just an example of course.

It really feels good to just let this out.

[Sarah Louise]

I can't tell you what heaven is going to be like, I'll admit I have trouble understanding "eternity" that scares me, But, we are promised perfect happiness in heaven.

Somehow God will provide a peace in our soul and we will be happy eternally.  I have no idea how this will be done, but I believe the promise.

[spacial]

I can't tell you what heaven is going to be like, I'll admit I have trouble understanding "eternity" that scares me, But, we are promised perfect happiness in heaven.

Somehow God will provide a peace in our soul and we will be happy eternally.  I have no idea how this will be done, but I believe the promise.

I should of course say, I am not seeking to undermine the idea or beliefs in any way.

I was given this brain thing which makes me ask questions.   

I can understand the concept of eternity. It's the idea of what and how we will be.

Apologies. I appreciate it is an article of faith.

[King Malachite]

I can't tell you what heaven is going to be like, I'll admit I have trouble understanding "eternity" that scares me, But, we are promised perfect happiness in heaven.

Somehow God will provide a peace in our soul and we will be happy eternally.  I have no idea how this will be done, but I believe the promise.

The thought of eternity kind of scares me, but I do believe his promise for his people that they will all be happy.  I'm glad that all of my friend's and family's desires will be filled through Him and I wish them eternal bliss.

[Mohini]

"But as it is written,
'What no eye has seen, nor ear heard,
   nor the human heart conceived,
what God has prepared for those who love him'."

-- 1 Corinthians 2:9


Although I am re-exploring my Christian roots, I hesitate to even believe in an Afterlife. I am agnostic about an ethereal realm called Heaven, or even a state of the soul.

Don't get me wrong; I love God, and I love Christ. I even love the Blessed Mother, Saint Mary. However, I believe in building Zion here on earth, and transforming it into a New Jerusalem.

Christ said that the Kingdom of God (or the Kingdom of Heaven, since Heaven was a Hebrew-Greek covering for God) is within you, and all around you, and not in places of wood and stone (ref. Gospel of Thomas). It is an immediate thing, that transforms people into the better angels of our own mortal nature.


"Jesus said, 'If those who attract you say, 'See, the Kingdom is in the sky,' then the birds of the sky will precede you. If they say to you, 'It is under the earth,' then the fish of the sea will precede you. Rather, the Kingdom of God is inside of you, and it is outside of you. Those who become acquainted with themselves will find it; and when you become acquainted with yourselves, you will understand that it is you who are the children of the living Father. But if you will not know yourselves, you dwell in poverty and it is you who are that poverty."

-- Saying 3, Gospel of Thomas


Certainly, Heaven to me is a spiritual state of beatific vision and divinisation on earth, where we are in union with Christ, united with spirit and truth. Where we see all beings as equal and interdependent members of human society, where we seek justice and righteousness like streams of running water.

I can not think of a better realm of God than on building His Kingdom on Earth, where we covenant ourselves with humanity, and build a better world: our Zion, and our New Jerusalem.


"The Lord called his people Zion, because they were of one heart and one mind, and dwelt in righteousness; and there was no poor among them."

-- Moses 7:19

[King Malachite]

"But as it is written,
'What no eye has seen, nor ear heard,
   nor the human heart conceived,
what God has prepared for those who love him'."

-- 1 Corinthians 2:9


Although I am re-exploring my Christian roots, I hesitate to even believe in an Afterlife. I am agnostic about an ethereal realm called Heaven, or even a state of the soul.

Don't get me wrong; I love God, and I love Christ. I even love the Blessed Mother, Saint Mary. However, I believe in building Zion here on earth, and transforming it into a New Jerusalem.

Christ said that the Kingdom of God (or the Kingdom of Heaven, since Heaven was a Hebrew-Greek covering for God) is within you, and all around you, and not in places of wood and stone (ref. Gospel of Thomas). It is an immediate thing, that transforms people into the better angels of our own mortal nature.


"Jesus said, 'If those who attract you say, 'See, the Kingdom is in the sky,' then the birds of the sky will precede you. If they say to you, 'It is under the earth,' then the fish of the sea will precede you. Rather, the Kingdom of God is inside of you, and it is outside of you. Those who become acquainted with themselves will find it; and when you become acquainted with yourselves, you will understand that it is you who are the children of the living Father. But if you will not know yourselves, you dwell in poverty and it is you who are that poverty."

-- Saying 3, Gospel of Thomas


Certainly, Heaven to me is a spiritual state of beatific vision and divinisation on earth, where we are in union with Christ, united with spirit and truth. Where we see all beings as equal and interdependent members of human society, where we seek justice and righteousness like streams of running water.

I can not think of a better realm of God than on building His Kingdom on Earth, where we covenant ourselves with humanity, and build a better world: our Zion, and our New Jerusalem.


"The Lord called his people Zion, because they were of one heart and one mind, and dwelt in righteousness; and there was no poor among them."

-- Moses 7:19

The verses from 1 Corinthians 2:9 has certainly came to my mind before and I 100% believe that, though I personally don't want it, heaven-wise.

I was thinking about the scripture where Jesus states that the kingdom of heaven is within you.  I really do appreciate you bringing that scripture up.  When I look deep within myself and become better acquainted with myself, I realize that my "kingdom of heaven" is nothing.  It doesn't exist, even while being a child of God.  I think that has been one of the better scriptures to help me understand my personal desire for the lack of an afterlife and perhaps the fulfillment of that desire.


I do like the thought of heaven on earth/new earth concept and I've been doing more research on that.  Although oblivion is now my preferred "heaven", my second preferred heaven is the New Earth.  When the Bible talked about us having new bodies, I have thought of that as Him giving me a biological male body like it should have been and perhaps, him giving me a wife and starting a family.  I don't see that happening to me though but it's certainly possible.

I appreciate your insight.

[Mohini]

Aww, why not a family? If you try hard enough and work hard enough, you just might find a lucky woman who want to share a household life with you!

Did not Christ say, In my Father's house there are many mansions? Thus, if God has room to accomodate even the least of us, why not you? He provides everything for us, including our own ideas of life and living in spirit and truth. If your Heaven is non-existence, He will provide that for you, so as long as you try to love yourself, love others, and love Heavenly Father.


"'Do not let your hearts be troubled. Believe in God, believe also in me. In my Father's house there are many dwelling-places. If it were not so, would I have told you that I go to prepare a place for you? And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and will take you to myself, so that where I am, there you may be also. And you know the way to the place where I am going."

-- John 14:1-4


I personally do not like to get caught up with what we don't know, and try to focus on the here and now. This is the lifetime that we know, and I just want to help people be happier, and to help me become spiritually happier.

[justpat]

  Good morning Rahel and Malachite its 4AM here.
Malachite, please get a plan without one you are destined to wander around in circles in the wilderness for the rest of your life a lost soul.
  The rest of this is my opinion and I have been a human being on this earth for over 6 decades.
There is a God and he is good and will listen if you believe in him.I have been through a war and hell on earth many times and he has always been there to  give me the strength to keep going when others would quit.By his grace my soul still exists on this earth to do for others who are in need.
  My guidelines to live by.
Give him thanks in the morning for another opportunity to live.
  Do a RAK    random act of kindness .
  Make someone smile.
  Make some laugh.
  Make someone you meet have a better day.
  Believe in him.

  The best feeling inside is when you help another, its a warm and fuzzy.

  If he created The Garden Of Eden for Adam and Eve why would he not have one for us?

  BTW, I cried when as I wrote this.   Warm Hugs

[misschievous]

In afterlife you will not "wish not to exist" in heaven... You will live with no regrets, no fear, no pain, no impure thoughts of any kind. You will live Happy, always feel loved, and cherish every second for the rest of eternity.....

on the flip side in hell you would feel regret, and fear. and you would feel pain until Jesus comes down from heaven and washes away your sins, forgives you and brings you to heaven.

[King Malachite]

Aww, why not a family? If you try hard enough and work hard enough, you just might find a lucky woman who want to share a household life with you!

Did not Christ say, In my Father's house there are many mansions? Thus, if God has room to accomodate even the least of us, why not you? He provides everything for us, including our own ideas of life and living in spirit and truth. If your Heaven is non-existence, He will provide that for you, so as long as you try to love yourself, love others, and love Heavenly Father.

That does makes sense: why not?  There's a tiny side of me that wants to but never in this lifetime.  As I think about it though it does makes sense.  God would not want me to be anywhere I don't want to be so he would provide non-existence for me if that's what I truly wanted.  That does comfort me a lot knowing that he loves me so much to give me that option.  However, I heard that He has a sense of humor so he might say "Okay Malachite, you can either have non-existence for your eternity or I will give you a beautiful wife and family....the choice is yours."   

Oh the decisions...he would do something like that lol.

  My guidelines to live by.
Give him thanks in the morning for another opportunity to live.
  Do a RAK    random act of kindness .
  Make someone smile.
  Make some laugh.
  Make someone you meet have a better day.
  Believe in him. 

The best feeling inside is when you help another, its a warm and fuzzy.

  If he created The Garden Of Eden for Adam and Eve why would he not have one for us?

  BTW, I cried when as I wrote this.   Warm Hugs

Morning buddy, I try to do at least three of those six things daily.  Not too bad.  I've always imagined the Garden of Eden looking very beautiful.  I could see Earth looking like that again.  Sorry I didn't mean for this thread to make you cry -hugs-

on the flip side in hell you would feel regret, and fear. and you would feel pain until Jesus comes down from heaven and washes away your sins, forgives you and brings you to heaven.

Not trying to end up there but I was always taught that hell was eternal. 

[justpat]

   Being human we all have lots of room for improvement all we can do is try to make every day
  better for our fellow human beings.Love is eternal .

[King Malachite]

   Being human we all have lots of room for improvement all we can do is try to make every day
  better for our fellow human beings.Love is eternal .

Can't argue with that.

[michelle]

I think that the afterlife is what it is and that I have to accept what I find.   It would be scarier if the afterlife is what one imagines it to be, then we would be trapped in our own self-delusion.    If the afterlife just isn't, then we would never know, because we wouldn't be.   So I would just rather not have any preconceived notion of the afterlife.   However can we ever be sure that we are not just trapped in the matrix of self-delusion???

Life is as expansive or confined as we emotionally make it.   This world is a physical one, the afterlife is a spiritual one.  I would rather look of existence as a "walkabout" in which we are forever traveling and exploring and evolving through the many worlds of God.   Our existence evolves as our perception of its many paradigms expands.   Has not the computer, our ability to use the computer to view our physical world using the whole electromagnetic spectrum, the Humble Telescope, as well as our multitude of satellites and planetary rovers, changed the paradigm of our physical world, and expanded the possibilities of what the spiritual world could be like.   If our vision of life is limited by our individual ability of perceive it and our language ability to describe it, is not our spiritual sight of the spiritual world limited by our soul's ability to perceive it. 

Our physical world is limited by the possible combinations that its physical substances and energy can be shaped into.   What limits creation in the spiritual world.   Does anything limit God's ability of create?   I would not dare to assume that God has any limits since I believe that God exists beyond limits.   

We are limited by our inability to see what we can't understand and explain.  So it is quite possible that our afterlife can only be delusional and we are limited only by our inability to change and evolve.   If we think we know, we probably don't.