I want to go outside my country to get treatment..any suggestion?

[Why Me]

hello everyone
thank you so much for your efforts in this forum

I'm from Saudi Arabia & I have GID
in my country there is only one clinic which acknowledges this disorder but they only give you a diagnosis without a permission to get treatment with T or perform the surgery or even change your papers !! because it is Taboo ! they only permit the surgeries for intersex

therefore I'm planning to leave my country to get the treatment in any other country but I do not know how & where ! can you please help me by providing me with names of best hospitals or psychology clinics that accept me

Thank you advance

[Arch]

Some European countries have health care systems that cover everything if you qualify--and if you're patient. I don't know much about them, so I hope someone else will chime in.

In the United States, most of us wind up paying for everything ourselves. The situation is not great, but I don't know enough about other systems to make a comparison.

Are you able to leave whenever you want? Do you have some financial resources?

P.S. Welcome to the site!

[Morgan.]

Welcome

In Australia, we have Medicare - which is free health care for Australian citizens. This covers doctors appointments at most clinics, which is a way that you would be able to have access to a doctor who would talk to you about transitioning. Medicare also covers a lot of psychologist and psychiatrist appointments, which you would no doubt also need to begin your medical side of transitioning. I believe if you are with Medicare, you also can get a hysterectomy and it will be covered financially by the government, as long as your birth certificate classifies you as female. If this is of use to you, perhaps you should research it further - you can find information on Medicare in Australia here.

Look into countries who have similar sort of healthcare. Australia is a great country, and the prevalence of acceptance towards the trans* community gets more and more broad as time passes.

[Kreuzfidel]

Hi, Why Me, and welcome to Susan's

Although I understand your situation, most countries with "free" or "next to no cost" healthcare do not look kindly on foreigners entering the country in order to use the healthcare system.  Australia is one such country - you are required to undergo a medical exam and if the government suspects you will be a high cost to Australian taxpayers (by using the healthcare system), they will not let you in.  I'm sure that other countries have similar protocols in place to deterring just anyone from coming in and using up taxpayers' money.  It's different if you have a legitimate visa or reason for immigrating to another country - there are refugee visas and humanitarian visas that people can get if they can prove that they are being persecuted or otherwise treated inhumanely in their country of origin. 

Do you have any specific skills or a career?  Many countries are in need of skilled workers and often encourage international tradespeople to immigrate. 

I wouldn't recommend America, to be honest.  I was born there and ended up in a situation where I was isolated in a small town with zero access to treatment and no health insurance.  America, for some reason, doesn't want a public healthcare option so that means that everything is privatised - you pay out of pocket for your own insurance unless it's provided to you by an employer or unless you're lucky enough (or unlucky enough) to qualify for government assistance programs that help with healthcare costs.  Unless you have substantial savings or a cutting-edge career with good income potential, America is not a good place to find affordable treatment.  Quality treatment - YES.  Affordable - not typically.

[Kreuzfidel]

Welcome

In Australia, we have Medicare - which is free health care for Australian citizens. This covers doctors appointments at most clinics, which is a way that you would be able to have access to a doctor who would talk to you about transitioning. Medicare also covers a lot of psychologist and psychiatrist appointments, which you would no doubt also need to begin your medical side of transitioning. I believe if you are with Medicare, you also can get a hysterectomy and it will be covered financially by the government, as long as your birth certificate classifies you as female. If this is of use to you, perhaps you should research it further - you can find information on Medicare in Australia here.

Look into countries who have similar sort of healthcare. Australia is a great country, and the prevalence of acceptance towards the trans* community gets more and more broad as time passes.

I agree with Morgan that Australia's healthcare system is fantastic, but it's difficult for foreigners to gain entry to Australia if they are not skilled workers, partners of Australian citizens/permanent residents or asylum-seekers.  Medicare is only available to people who have permanent residency or those who have an application for a permanent residency visa already lodged.  There are also backwards legislation issues in certain states, such as mine (South Australia), that limit your access to surgeons for trans-related procedures.  I am going to have travel interstate to have my hysterectomy done as well as all of my other surgeries. 

[Arch]

If you haven't gone to college and plan to, you can get pretty nice coverage through student health services at some U.S. universities. But I wouldn't count on getting bottom surgery.

[aleon515]

I've heard it said that the US has the best health care in the world---if you can afford it. Boy there's the big IF.

I wouldn't bet that it would happen in the US, but some countries might look upon this as kind of an unusual situation and provide assistance. Perhaps one of the more liberal Scandinavian Countries, perhaps Australia, or ....?

Otherwise, I am guessing if you had the means you could go to any country in the world that would do this, like western Europe, Australia, Canada, or the US. I agree re: a US university. But only if you had substantial means.

I think that hormones and top surgery would be really easier in any case.
--Jay Jay

[lilacwoman]

Can you get up to Holland, France, Belgium, Italy, Spain to see a gender specialist?
Any good shrink should be able to diagnose you after a good hour or so of indepth discussion and studying your face and body language.
If the verdict is GID then you might be able to get hormones.
Plane loads of Saudis fly to European, far Eastern or US clinics for cosmetic procedures so eventually you could fly to Thailand for surgery if thats what you want?


Possible rule 8 issue.

[Why Me]

hello again everyone & thank you for your replays & time

most of you did not understand my Q
actually I have my own financial resources & i can afford my treatment costs in any place in the world .. all I need is names of good GID clinics to enter in it and start my treatment journey from A to Z

[Arch]

Why Me, you might look at some of the resources on the site (or on other sites). You've basically opened up the field to anywhere in the world, and that's a lot of territory. We don't even know whether you plan to move permanently or just go outside the country for treatment and then come back.

For this thread, I suggest that you change your subject line so that it's more specific, for starters. A topic saying that you need help doesn't give people much guidance.

Here in the U.S., I don't think we have a lot of those big gender clinics anymore--not that we had many in the first place. All of my trans acquaintances in my home city--and I know a lot of both MTFs and FTMs--carve their own path or use the informed consent clinic. We don't go to big gender clinics.

[Morgan.]

I agree with Morgan that Australia's healthcare system is fantastic, but it's difficult for foreigners to gain entry to Australia if they are not skilled workers, partners of Australian citizens/permanent residents or asylum-seekers.  Medicare is only available to people who have permanent residency or those who have an application for a permanent residency visa already lodged.  There are also backwards legislation issues in certain states, such as mine (South Australia), that limit your access to surgeons for trans-related procedures.  I am going to have travel interstate to have my hysterectomy done as well as all of my other surgeries.

Kreuz put it well. There is a lot of difficulty over here with gaining entry. It is worth investigating if you think you would be able to become a resident - perhaps you would qualify for these terms or could seek help for your transition in an alternative location. It makes it much easier now that you have mentioned you have your own financial resources and can travel. Just a matter of doing some research into some suggestions, I guess.

[Why Me]

Why Me, you might look at some of the resources on the site (or on other sites). You've basically opened up the field to anywhere in the world, and that's a lot of territory. We don't even know whether you plan to move permanently or just go outside the country for treatment and then come back.

For this thread, I suggest that you change your subject line so that it's more specific, for starters. A topic saying that you need help doesn't give people much guidance.

Here in the U.S., I don't think we have a lot of those big gender clinics anymore--not that we had many in the first place. All of my trans acquaintances in my home city--and I know a lot of both MTFs and FTMs--carve their own path or use the informed consent clinic. We don't go to big gender clinics.

yes I'm planning to get treatment then comeback to my country
what do you think about UK or Germany ?

does anyone know the best clinics in these two countries ?

thank you everyone

[Natkat]

hello again everyone & thank you for your replays & time

most of you did not understand my Q
actually I have my own financial resources & i can afford my treatment costs in any place in the world .. all I need is names of good GID clinics to enter in it and start my treatment journey from A to Z

Germany seams to be pretty good,
I went outside the country to get top-surgery on a clinic there. they where very friendly and evend called me mr, and so in germany.. while I was there even when I am clearly female on paper..

I spoke to a german guy and it seams to be kinda good for transexuals of what I feel.
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other countrys I heard who should be good on transexuals would be neatherland or spain,
I havent investigate those it was something my friend told me, she is mtf..

But sure every country got its good and bad points, so its very cofussed on what you need and dont need..
But I think those would be too look up..
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oh for your question, I only know about the surgery point, But I went to dr.Kampmann. and as I decribed above I was pretty satified, (just remember to bring something to eat, the food is horrible)
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I cant really speak for all the details of german, But I knows theres a couple of germans here on the sity who could give you more detailed information...
alixjunge336 ex is german..

also there is ftm-portal a german site, if you know alittle germany it could be usefull, and you can also ask questions in germany or english, as well as seeing pictures..

In case you dont feel anyone will help you or give your the right information you can give me a note and I will ask some of my german friends if they know something something...."

[Natkat]

Some European countries have health care systems that cover everything if you qualify--and if you're patient. I don't know much about them, so I hope someone else will chime in.

just because you have healthcare dosen't mean you nessesarry cover stuff like transgender issues. health care dosent nessesarry cover everything so that should be checked first..

[Arch]

just because you have healthcare dosen't mean you nessesarry cover stuff like transgender issues. health care dosent nessesarry cover everything so that should be checked first..

Yes, but I was talking specifically about the systems that do cover everything. That's why I worded it the way I did.

It does look like Why Me has his own resources, so he doesn't appear to need to establish residency or citizenship in the country he chooses. However, I'm not sure how he would get continuing prescriptions for T if he wants to be on it permanently.

[anibioman]

in the US its rather simple to get T and surgery but you have to pay out of pocket pretty much for everything. idk about european countries as i have never lived in any.

[Natkat]

Yes, but I was talking specifically about the systems that do cover everything. That's why I worded it the way I did.

It does look like Why Me has his own resources, so he doesn't appear to need to establish residency or citizenship in the country he chooses. However, I'm not sure how he would get continuing prescriptions for T if he wants to be on it permanently.

I see, I just had to make it clear,
I don't know any countrys in Europa who got healt care who covers everything, But I dont deny there could be some I just dont know about..
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[wheat thins are delicious]

in the US its rather simple to get T and surgery but you have to pay out of pocket pretty much for everything. idk about european countries as i have never lived in any.

Depending on your insurance and your doctors, you can get nearly everything covered.  I know of dudes who've gotten T, hysto, top surgery, and all care covered by insurance while being marked as male.