can transwomen say the t word

[cynthialee]

If you do not like it applied to yourself then do not do so.

However we have no right to dictate to others how they self identify.

Do ya'll nay sayers object to the self identified ->-bleeped-<-s, tgurls and CWAD's?

This comunity can do better for itself than to get all up in a snit over semantics.

Now if a cisgender uses the term it can be and ussualy is derogatory and in this case it is all about the context.

[Claire25]

Do ya'll nay sayers object to the self identified ->-bleeped-<-s, tgurls and CWAD's?

Just curious. What is a CWAD? I have never heard that term before.

[Miharu Barbie]

Just curious. What is a CWAD? I have never head that term before.

Isn't that "Chick with a Disposition"?

[cynthialee]

Isn't that "Chick with a Disposition"?

lol
yeah...sure...thats the ticket!
its disposition yeah thats the one...

[Claire25]

lol
yeah...sure...thats the ticket!
its disposition yeah thats the one...

Ahh I got ya..Thank you for explaining 

[rachl]

I think we have far too far to go in advancing trans* rights before we can go about reclaiming that word.

Language shapes how we think about things, and how others think of us. It's NOT just "semantics."

Oh, for what it's worth, this is NOT a semantic debate: it's a pragmatics and normativity debate. We know precisely what tr*nny means (semantics); the debate is over whether there are bad effects to its use (pragmatics), and whether one ought to say it, or whether one is permitted in saying it, normatively speaking (normativity).

[cynthialee]

Well my stance on the matter is no one has a right to dictate which identity word they choose regardless of how it might make you feel.

If you feel put off by how others identify themselves than the problem is with in and not from others.

Only when we allow a word to have power can it have power over ourselves.

There are people who identify as ->-bleeped-<-, ->-bleeped-<-, and I am sure a host of other things that might offend some one else. But that is just silly when we allow some one elses self identity cause us mental duress.

Personaly I think it is a cutesy sounding word that is ok to use in trans circles. I have used the word to explain myself one time to get it through a particularly thick skulled indivule that I was not a gay male. Not a word I often use but when I do I take great offense to the gramer police coming in with their self apointed mandate to stamp out the word.
No one here or anywhere else has a right to police the vocabulary of anouther person when it comes to self identity, let alone a fellow transitioner. You have no mandate to remove the word from the language nor do you have the right to demand that any one bow to your politicaly correct lexicon.

[justmeinoz]

Personally I have a similar attitude to Kadri's. I use it among friends as an abbreviation, the same as 'mozzie' for mosquito, 'tinnie' for aluminium boat, and so on.  People here don't seem to get worked up over a word as in some other places.  If anyone wants to make an insult out of I'll let them know what I think of them in far more inventive terms than that.

Karen.

[Kadri]

Personally I have a similar attitude to Kadri's. I use it among friends as an abbreviation, the same as 'mozzie' for mosquito, 'tinnie' for aluminium boat, and so on.  People here don't seem to get worked up over a word as in some other places.  If anyone wants to make an insult out of I'll let them know what I think of them in far more inventive terms than that.

Karen.

Awesome! thanks Karen, nice to have an indication (other than my own suspicion) that there may be some usage and connotation of the word here within the community of trans people that is missing in the US.

I know someone here who is completely passable AND considers herself a woman, and yet  still has a t-shirt that says "nobody knows i'm a ->-bleeped-<-" on it.

I want one that says "Bite my luscious ->-bleeped-<- butt!" (homage to Bender) but I probably wouldn't wear it unless I was at Mardi Gras.

People do get offended when the word is used by this outside the community to refer to them though.

We used tinnie for something else entirely in NZ ...we used to live next to a "tinnie house" that did a brisk trade, and they were certainly not selling aluminium boats!

[Naturally Blonde]

Just another copy threat. of Can transmen say the T word.

so
can trans women say the T word..?

in caise you have no clue I mean people using tr**ny to deribe themself
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this is the link of the threat in ftm section for anyone curious.
https://www.susans.org/forums/index.php/topic,122334.0.html

Transwomen? or a transman? I think that terminology sucks big time! I think it is degrading and makes the person sound like an alien or non human! what is wrong with calling someone a woman or a man? just because they may have transitioned is irrelevant.

[Natkat]

"It"....My mother in law referred to me as that and my heart just dropped..

oh yeah... its kinda disturbing

[UCBerkeleyPostop]

Transwomen? or a transman? I think that terminology sucks big time! I think it is degrading and makes the person sound like an alien or non human! what is wrong with calling someone a woman or a man? just because they may have transitioned is irrelevant.

In women's studies 101, they teach that trans is a self-identifying term and no one should ever label or out someone as trans/gender/sexual.

If people want to self-identify as trans, feel free but I really wish folks would not slur themselves by referring to themselves as a ->-bleeped-<-. I feel it is a disservice to the community as many of us feel that the term is highly objectionable. Transgender is bad enough!

The only place the term is acceptable is at AAMCO.

[Penny Gurl]

Ok.. first 'transgender' is factual, not bad at all.  The fact is many of us were born into the incorrect gender and have to (trans)ition to our correct (gender) it in no way makes us less or more male or female but due to situations beyond our controll that's how we were born.  The 't' word will never go away and.. sorry to say this, but it shouldn't, if it did that means we as a socity have begun to over censor and are walking ourselves down the path of book burnings and the total loss of free speach.  THE WORLD IS AN OFfENSIVE AND SOMETIMES CRUEL PLACE TO LIVE. It's hard to be different, however with out struggles we can never find our true inner strength.  Words only have the power to offend when WE give them that power. 

[UCBerkeleyPostop]

Ok.. first 'transgender' is factual, not bad at all.  The fact is many of us were born into the incorrect gender and have to (trans)ition to our correct (gender) it in no way makes us less or more male or female but due to situations beyond our controll that's how we were born.  The 't' word will never go away and.. sorry to say this, but it shouldn't, if it did that means we as a socity have begun to over censor and are walking ourselves down the path of book burnings and the total loss of free speach.  THE WORLD IS AN OFfENSIVE AND SOMETIMES CRUEL PLACE TO LIVE. It's hard to be different, however with out struggles we can never find our true inner strength.  Words only have the power to offend when WE give them that power.

Excuse me but minority groups have the right to be referred to the way they choose. I am not trans anything. In the fifties, African-Americans were referred to as "colored" "Negroes"and worse the N-word. Some have chosen to take back the N-word but it is still a taboo. If we as a group tell people to stop calling us trans, it can happen.

[Penny Gurl]

While i don't debate that a minority group can choose what to be called, the fact remains that it is still a group and by being a group would then need some way to define what that group is.... so one way or another a term must be used.  As a group we can't just be 'those people'. Being a fully vested card carrying minority myself I understand how lables and definitions can sometimes be incorrectly used. Example not every African American is of african decent, however the term is used to identify the group in general.

[UCBerkeleyPostop]

While i don't debate that a minority group can choose what to be called, the fact remains that it is still a group and by being a group would then need some way to define what that group is.... so one way or another a term must be used.  As a group we can't just be 'those people'. Being a fully vested card carrying minority myself I understand how lables and definitions can sometimes be incorrectly used. Example not every African American is of african decent, however the term is used to identify the group in general.

Actually every African-American is of African descent by definition.  If enough of us got together and agreed on a new word, we could start a movement. 

[King Malachite]

I guess it would depend on the situation.  If a person wants to call themselves that it's fine but if other's don't they should respect their wishes.

Which brings me to another thing that was on my mind.  I had an ad out looking for friends and maybe a potential relationship and one person emailed me back and part of the message said "Unfortunately I have a girlfriend.  She's a pre op ->-bleeped-<- and I love her so much."  Romantic rejection aside the way she said it sounded negative to me.  I don't know if her girlfriend feels okay with her referring to her as that or if she even knows.  I just didn't like the wording to to each is their own I guess if everyone consents.

[UCBerkeleyPostop]

Malachite, your post made me rethink this and my new position is that people should not use the word period.  Lots of black folk object to anyone using the N-word and I am beginning to feel the same way about the T-word.

[Alainaluvsu]

IDC if someone uses the word. My roommate says it all the time and I couldn't care less. I pick my battles and that one isn't worth fighting.

[rachl]

IDC if someone uses the word. My roommate says it all the time and I couldn't care less. I pick my battles and that one isn't worth fighting.

Do people not understand that it's essentially "->-bleeped-<-" for trans people?!

OK, maybe you're all right with people using it, but perhaps you could care for those of us who find it deeply offensive?