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Is it hard for you to accept you will never be biological women?

Started by asi, July 13, 2012, 10:40:13 AM

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asi

It was hard for me to hear transgender saying that  even if no one know about me and see me as a woman in every respect, inside i will always be transgender

I accept myself and others, but  fact would never be a biological woman, is a problem difficult for me to accept

I have such a strong desire to fit as a woman in this society and if it will be possible in the coming years to have female reproductive organs.
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Chrissy1

For me no it does not bother me to never be a biological women. I just want the outside to match what the inside feels. I find that (for me) constantly dwelling on what can never be is not healthy ( again for me I speak for no one else). Fitting in I never really cared about cause I never really did anyway. Now my focus is on making myself happy.
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Becca

It used to be. Early on in transition it drove me to attempting suicide a couple of times, obviously I failed.

The way I see it, being trans is a temporary condition. No we were not BORN natal women, but that is our burden in this life, and it's not like it is not treatable. I think of transition as a temporary condition, not a perpetual cycle. There are worse things to be, and worse times to be trans. I'll take a sorted medical history over being a starving african kid, and I sure as hell wouldn't want to be a Syrian right now. Try being trans 100 years ago, with no hormones and no operations.

There is a book called "Neither Man nor Woman: The Hijras of India". I suggest reading it, it's short (only 150 pages or so). It was required for a college sex&gender class, and really put a lot of things in perspective for me, including the suffering over not being natal. Actually you can have my copy if you want, I'm through with it.

Hope this helps honey  :-*
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Julie Wilson

Quote from: asi on July 13, 2012, 10:40:13 AM
It was hard for me to hear transgender saying that  even if no one know about me and see me as a woman in every respect, inside i will always be transgender

I accept myself and others, but  fact would never be a biological woman, is a problem difficult for me to accept

I have such a strong desire to fit as a woman in this society and if it will be possible in the coming years to have female reproductive organs.


Whoever told you this was projecting.

Quote"Projecting our problems onto other people"

Psychological projection is the phenomenon whereby one projects one's own thoughts, motivations, desires, feelings, and so on onto someone else (usually another person, but psychological projection onto animals, parents, children, neighbors, other drivers, political figures, racial groups, states and countries, also occurs).

According to the theories of Sigmund Freud, psychological projection is a psychological defense mechanism whereby one "projects" one's own undesirable thoughts, motivations, desires, feelings, and so on onto someone else (usually another person, but psychological projection onto animals and inanimate objects also occurs). The principle of projection is well-established in psychology.

An illustration would be an individual who feels dislike for another person, but whose unconscious mind does not allow them to become aware of this negative emotion. Instead of admitting to themselves that they feel dislike for someone, they project their dislike onto him, so that the individual's conscious thought is not "I don't like Bob," but "Bob doesn't seem to like me or I do not like that certain behavior that Bob does."

It is "the operation of expelling feelings or wishes the individual finds wholly unacceptable – too shameful, too obscene, too dangerous – by attributing them to another".

Projection concerns externalizing the issues that we need to deal with ourselves. Usually we project onto others issues and problems that we need to address within ourselves, or are unable to manage properly. Projection is irresponsible behavior as we dump our problem onto somebody else. We justify these projections by blaming someone or something outside for the emotions we do not want to feel. We project our disappointments and problems onto other people, it is somehow their fault, we become a blamer. Ultimately it is the person who projects that loses, as they never really sort out their own problems.  Full Article Here http://karlrwolfe.com/psychological-projection.html

You can see from reading this article that the person who told you that you would always be trans inside was victimizing you and is a victimizer.  I have noticed in my lifetime that generally people aren't so much evil as they are ignorant.  I think most crimes are committed by ignorant people who lack common knowledge or common sense.

To answer the question, "No, I do not accept that I will never be a biological woman."  Because it doesn't matter to me.  I know that I am female, I am a woman.  I live a woman's life.  I say what women say and I do what women do.  I don't say what women never say (but many trans people do say).  Think about that ^_^ .  I don't say what women don't say.  I don't lie (if I can avoid it) but I live my life, my female life.  Anyone who sees me as something other than female deserves to be lied to.  Anyone who would wreck my life deserves to be lied to.

This is about you, repairing your life, going through a complex and difficult medical and sociological process in order to have the right life.  Once you begin to have that life, hold on tight and don't let anyone take it from you.  Not with thoughts, not with actions.  Never seek acceptance from anyone other than yourself.  The way to be female is not through acceptance, it is through being.
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King Malachite

Coming from the other side I know how you feel and yes it does get to me a lot that no matter how many surgeries I get or hormones I take that I will never be a biological man.  My chromosomes will always be female.  My bones will always be female and I will die a biological female and I will never be able impregnante a woman like a biological male.  It sucks big time.

HOWEVER we are so much more than just bundles of chromosomes and bones.  Biological does NOT equal better.  A ciswoman is no better than a transwoman.  You are a woman.  It's simple as that.  Not all women in the world share the same experiences and every woman is different.  There are white women, black women, Asian women, Hispanic women, Indian women, poor women, rich women, skinny women, large women, old women, young women, cis women, transwomen, sick women, healthy women, famous women, married women, divorced women, women with kids, women without kids, women with blue eyes, women with brown eyes, women with green eyes, women who are blind, tall women, short women, women who can't reproduce, women who produce too much, women with goals, women without goals, women who hate life, women who live life, women with an office job, women with a blue collar job, women activists, women with long hair, women with short hair, women with no hair, women with medium length hair, women with attitudes, nice women, women with more testosterone, women with pets, women without pets, women who like to swim, women with birth defects, and the list goes on and on.

The best thing to do is to live your life as the woman you always were and to focus on the achievable things.  We could focus on being transgender forever and how our lives are different than cis people but focusing on that only cuts into the time where we can try and live our lives as most adjacent to our desired sex as possible until futher medical advances.
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Ms. OBrien CVT

I am just as biological as any woman who has had to have a hysterectomy.  I take HRT just as they do.  OK right now I don't have a vagina, but I will one day.

So No, I accept me for being a woman without a uterus or ovaries,

  
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Bexi

At the start it did, knowing that I would never conceive and bring into the world a child. But its something I can't change, so why let it bother me? God knows, transgender people already have enough to worry about without adding another. If I want a child, then there are alternative ways. You just gotta find a way around the problem.
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JoanneB

On the inside I knew since the age of four I was a girl/woman. How much more biological can you get than that?

It was hard for me to accept that I could never pass, never be accepted, and never live as a woman. It was even harder for me to accept that I can accomplish all that. Being seen as a woman is all I ever prayed for. Achieving that has brought more joy into my heart than I feel I deserve.
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pretty

Hmm, idk.

In a sense I would say that I AM a biological woman because how your brain is setup is a template for who you are and yes I do believe that my brain is arranged in a more female way. It's not that I feel like a pretender as a woman or something. I do think it is my biology that makes me this way in the first place.

On the other hand, I do get normal physical dysphoria thinking I might be prettier if I were cis, and I do have a lot of genital dysphoria so yes I will probably never be happy about that part. But what are ya gonna do? It is how it is.  :)
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Beth Andrea

Hmm...never thought about not being an OEM woman. I have enough problems with tolerating my man-junk to give any thought to not being an original, as-born, woman.

I'll let you know some years after my SRS, when I'll have some experience with it.

:)
...I think for most of us it is a futile effort to try and put this genie back in the bottle once she has tasted freedom...

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AbraCadabra

Quote from: Malachite on July 13, 2012, 06:39:05 PM
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HOWEVER we are so much more than just bundles of chromosomes and bones.  Biological does NOT equal better.  A ciswoman is no better than a transwoman.  You are a woman.  It's simple as that.  Not all women in the world share the same experiences and every woman is different.  There are white women, black women, Asian women, Hispanic women, Indian women, poor women, rich women, skinny women, large women, old women, young women, cis women, transwomen, sick women, healthy women, famous women, married women, divorced women, women with kids, women without kids, women with blue eyes, women with brown eyes, women with green eyes, women who are blind, tall women, short women, women who can't reproduce, women who produce too much, women with goals, women without goals, women who hate life, women who live life, women with an office job, women with a blue collar job, women activists, women with long hair, women with short hair, women with no hair, women with medium length hair, women with attitudes, nice women, women with more testosterone, women with pets, women without pets, women who like to swim, women with birth defects, and the list goes on and on.

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MariaMx

Before and during transition, yes. Now not so much anymore. For me transition was a time of obsessive behavior and personal victim playing on bad days. Once everything is said and done life will normalize and you move on. Post-transition I have come to sort of "forget" about it all and have realized that my life is about so much more than being a(biological) woman. Now it's time to just be like everyone else.
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King Malachite

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"Sometimes you have to go through outer hell to get to inner heaven."

"Anomalies can make the best revolutionaries."
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AbraCadabra

Quote from: Malachite on July 14, 2012, 09:12:19 AM

Sure!   ;D

Sure, sure?!
On your knees like, and the whole shoot-gabeng over a nice meal, sparkling eyes and all?

THAT would MAKE me, or most ANY (t)girl feel like a ...  biological women.
I mean, HOW CAN IT NOT?!

Gotta work on a date good man, after I'm back from my beautification (facelift), so to have a remote chance to actually quality, um.
See, I'm already faffing... sorry for that :)

Good, very good, and I have a notion you might just be a tad more forgiving due to some special 'insights'.
Could be a good thing this :)

Have to take this off line, eh?  ::)
Axélle
Some say: "Free sex ruins everything..."
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King Malachite

Quote from: Axélle on July 14, 2012, 09:57:06 AM
Sure, sure?!
On your knees like, and the whole shoot-gabeng over a nice meal, sparkling eyes and all?

Axélle

Of course!  Waiters haulted and everyone staring hoping for a "yes".   Traditional yes?  Just let me know lol ;)
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"Sometimes you have to go through outer hell to get to inner heaven."

"Anomalies can make the best revolutionaries."
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AbraCadabra

Quote from: Malachite on July 14, 2012, 10:21:02 AM
Of course!  Waiters haulted and everyone staring hoping for a "yes".   Traditional yes?  Just let me know lol ;)

Wow!!! Why do I think now of Liz Tailor and her young beau?
Must have made her feel like a woman, never mind biological, and who CARES?!

Of course then there are biological grandmas...  :embarrassed: I'm one...

What it shows me ... it SO MUCH has to do with HOW you are treated, and HOW you are perceived!
Treat a gal like a woman - shell feel like one. Treat her like ... whatever else ... she will FEEL like that also. We sooooooooo dependent - never mind WHAT we say', eish!

And thanks for the flowers hon... and for ME of all things. Faffing again... :)

Mwah!
Axélle
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JennX

"If you want the rainbow, you gotta put up with the rain."
-Dolly Parton
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Bexi

Quote from: TessaM on July 14, 2012, 02:26:34 PM
Actually, I AM a woman. I dont care what some scientists tells me, nor does it bother me. Some woman can have biological kids, others cannot. Deal with it
Good ethos!  :)
X
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Gretchen

Gender is between your ears not your legs. It's all in your head?
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