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Started by Laura91, July 27, 2012, 10:52:35 AM

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Sarah Louise

ChickFil-A has the constitutional right to express their opinion. 

You have your personal right not to patronize their establishment. 

The mayor has the right to disagree with ChickFil-A's position, but does not have the legal right to say they can not build in his town because of their stand on this issue.

In my opinion.
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Padma

He's certainly in a position to make his stance known publicly, though I don't know whether he has real clout in putting his stance into action.
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Sarah Louise

In my opinion, again, I think a big deal is being made of nothing.

Its his opinion, so what.  Its not like they are refusing to serve gay people, that would be something else all together.
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suzifrommd

Quote from: Sarah Louise on July 30, 2012, 10:45:02 AM
In my opinion, again, I think a big deal is being made of nothing.

Its his opinion, so what.  Its not like they are refusing to serve gay people, that would be something else all together.

Actually I think it is a whole lot worse. I'd rather someone telling me they won't give me a sandwich than spending millions to make sure I never marry the person I love.
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Blazey

I have only one real comment on this to say.  Have any of you ever been to Ohio?  You know the state were politically correct BS rules all the people and everything they try to do?  If you can say yes to this question then you know what these people are trying to do against ChickFil-A is going doing a nasty road that only leads to your own state becoming an outhouse. If you have not and believe in taking extreme measures in all fronts to fight those that disagree with you then you should be forced to live there till your mind is changed in one of the major cities.

What people are trying to do to them is wrong and can only end badly.  I agree with the article in that it is pushing us toward the road of horrible countries such as North Korea or Iran where they ruin entire lives over a few words.  That CEO has the right to say whatever they want and to put their money where they want as well.  Just like you have the choice not the invest in that company at all.  Which is the proper protest these people should be doing in truth and not going out on the overzealous road of fools.

Truth be told I'd rather support an idiot like that CEO serving me good food then ever support the idiots on the other side of the flank going to extremes.  As I fear those fools a hell of alot more then a silly CEO who voiced a few you disagree with.  At least the CEO took their actions in a much more civil way then the other side ever has.

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You know this is part of why I stay away from any LGBT movements or really any so called -gay- movement.  They almost always end up taking the wrong road in the long run and become just as bad or worse then what they were fighting against.  They always talk about all the wrongs done to them and how they still go on today.  How these wrongs should never happen to anyone and humanity should be above this kinda BS but... Then they turn around and do it to others in the name of their cause on the road to get rights for themselves.  All under the banner of being better people then those that once caused them harm when in the long run they've become exactly the same. 

Heck, thanks to these kinds of movements on both sides you can't say Jesus with things like Christmas anymore.  Yet, people of other religions are allowed to shove their stuff in the Christians faces in mass at work, in schools, and more.  How is that maintaining fair ground on the freedom of speech front?  These kinds of actions and thought patterns done here are just toxic to everyone and always will be.

I for one will be inviting them here as I love their food and in part to spite these people.  I know there is a fine space to build in right across from the brand spanking new Wal-Mart 'n' near the new chain gas station right off the highway in waiting.  You know up till I learned they donated money against the marriage stuff a good while ago?  I really respected them anyways for sticking to their beliefs regardless of pressure to stay closed on Sundays.  As it really annoyed me that so many people that held the day sacred were forced to work that day due to others not sharing their beliefs that wanted X product but yet those others always got their day off when their -holy- day came.  So many double standards in America these days due to PC fools.  They need to be drug out in the street and shot for the good of us all before it is to late.
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cindianna_jones

I believe in the right of free speech. If politicians don't say things I like, I vote against them. If companies say things I don't like, I don't buy their products. If my neighbors say things I don't like, I convince them otherwise ;)  Really.

I met a new neighbor a couple weeks ago and he started with the racist BS that has become so common. I told him upfront: "Look, don't be a racist and I'll be a good neighbor. I don't tolerate that sort of thing." Usually I'm not so blunt. I'm fairly soft spoken and work my way around an issue. But this neighbor shut his trap and we've been very sociable ever since.
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dalebert


DavinaG

Quote from: Cindi Jones on July 31, 2012, 02:47:06 AM
I believe in the right of free speech. If politicians don't say things I like, I vote against them. If companies say things I don't like, I don't buy their products. If my neighbors say things I don't like, I convince them otherwise ;)  Really.

I met a new neighbor a couple weeks ago and he started with the racist BS that has become so common. I told him upfront: "Look, don't be a racist and I'll be a good neighbor. I don't tolerate that sort of thing." Usually I'm not so blunt. I'm fairly soft spoken and work my way around an issue. But this neighbor shut his trap and we've been very sociable ever since.

Well Said Cindi!  By the way I just happened to run across your book at Amazon last winter and it really helped me read about your experiences, knowing there were others in this world I could relate to, and gain insight on the local culture in UT. 

Thank you,

Davina
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aleon515

This headline really cracked me up. And here is a place where the comments are actually quite funny.


http://maddowblog.msnbc.com/_news/2012/08/02/13087249-headline-of-the-day-special-poultry-edition?lite


BTW, the problem is that this company has spent a lot of money (is money speech, according to the Supreme Court it is) on various causes and candidates. This is not quite a case of a poor innocent company saying what they think and getting flack for it.



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cindianna_jones

As in all things, it is always good to go to the source and get the facts. In the above picture going the rounds on Facebook, the mayor is accused of preventing a restaurant from locating in Boston. If you find the actual letter the mayor wrote (It's not hard to find), the mayor says that the city is proud of its equal rights positions and that in his opinion, this restaurant is welcome to look elsewhere. I did not see that the mayor 'prevented' the establishment of a restaurant from this franchise.

It's really interesting to see how these things get altered and tweaked a bit so that the hate machine can be engaged in full gear. I'm quite tired of the hate machine these days. We should all be aware of it and how it works. It is the classical exampl of 'divide and conquer.'

Cindi
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justmeinoz

Looking at the title of this post I would say that it is not, just on the freedom of speech of bigoted Americans.

If they apply to open a restaurant there, I assume they will have to go through the usual planning boards and appeals that are a part of establishing a business anywhere.  The Mayor was just stating the City's ethical position.  I really can't see what the fuss is.
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cindianna_jones

Quote from: justmeinoz on August 04, 2012, 06:58:57 AM
Looking at the title of this post I would say that it is not, just on the freedom of speech of bigoted Americans.

If they apply to open a restaurant there, I assume they will have to go through the usual planning boards and appeals that are a part of establishing a business anywhere.  The Mayor was just stating the City's ethical position.  I really can't see what the fuss is.

Yup. We have to blow everything out of proportion and get everyone upset. That's how we have been hijacked. I'm quite disgusted with it all. I hope someday we can move beyond this sort of juvenile behaviour.
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justmeinoz

Hi Cindi.
The TV news here showed long queues outside their shops.  All I can say is they would have to make a brilliant sandwich for me to wait in the hot sun for ages.

Karen.
"Don't ask me, it was on fire when I lay down on it"
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dalebert

Quote from: Cindi Jones on August 04, 2012, 06:01:28 AM
If you find the actual letter the mayor wrote (It's not hard to find), the mayor says that the city is proud of its equal rights positions and that in his opinion, this restaurant is welcome to look elsewhere. I did not see that the mayor 'prevented' the establishment of a restaurant from this franchise.


You're right. That COMPLETELY changes the discussion.