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Started by Beth Andrea, July 28, 2012, 02:50:01 AM

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~RoadToTrista~

I think my therapist took me less seriously after I told her that I had NOT snuck into my mom's closet and wore her clothes since I was like 9.
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Kevin Peña

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Liminal Stranger

Quote from: DianaP on February 05, 2013, 06:29:41 PM
Oh, Simon.... That was awesome.  ;D

Quoted for truth! I shed manly tears from laughing so hard just now.




"And if you feel that you can't go on, in the light you will find the road"
- In the Light, Led Zeppelin
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MadelineB

TRIGGER WARNING- ABUSE/ASSAULT

Quote from: Beth Andrea on February 05, 2013, 05:27:40 PM
People just have NO IDEA how much that comment hurts...how deep it cuts.  They just fling it out there like it's a "nothing statement."

:(

Yes I've heard the same thing from people who should have known better:

"You probably just think you are a girl because you suffered sexual abuse from a man."

Then I explained that the childhood abuse was by a straight woman. "oh". "huh?"

Related- when beginning to transition put me in touch with some of my later suppressed memories, and I remembered being raped at 12 and 13 by my mom's boyfriend who knew I was trans, my wife said later, in all seriousness:

"do you think you are transgender because you were raped?"

I answered "No, absolutely not. But it made it much harder to deal with being transgender when the first adult who acknowledged I was female, tortured and raped me because of it." Unfortunately my experience is not that uncommon; predators seek out kids who are gender variant.

Truth is, sex abuse and rape are both far more common than being transgender is. If either caused people to be transgender, then between 1 out of 4 and 1 out of 7 people would be trans. However, trans kids are much more likely to have been victimized because they are the most vulnerable children in our society.

Even though it triggers me, I always take the time to educate because the subject is so important. People don't realize how common sexual abuse and rape are, so they think that having been subject to one "rare" thing (abuse or assault) might explain the rare  condition of being trans.
History, despite its wrenching pain, cannot be unlived, but if faced with courage, need not be lived again.
~Maya Angelou

Personal Blog: Madeline's B-Hive
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DeeperThanSwords

"Fear cuts deeper than swords."



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Padma

@MadeleineB agreed: I've had a couple of psychotherapists tell me it's statistically way more likely to be the other way round, that gender-nonconforming kids are likely to get abused - than that abuse causes any kind of gender dysphoria. But I've had that "Don't you think this is because you were abused...?" thing too. And it's because people just don't want it to be real on its own terms, I think.
Womandrogyne™
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Emily Aster

Quote from: Padma on February 06, 2013, 12:57:22 AM
@MadeleineB agreed: I've had a couple of psychotherapists tell me it's statistically way more likely to be the other way round, that gender-nonconforming kids are likely to get abused - than that abuse causes any kind of gender dysphoria. But I've had that "Don't you think this is because you were abused...?" thing too. And it's because people just don't want it to be real on its own terms, I think.

I've run into the same thing before, although the abuse I had was physical and emotional only. People seem to think there's a direct link and for a lot of years, I considered it myself. The fact is the gender issues were there before the abuse. The abuse made the gender issues worse. It certainly didn't cause them.
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Padma

Yes, I think abuse doesn't affect our gender identity or sexual orientation, just our relationship with them.
Womandrogyne™
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Zumbagirl

In my case I was sexually abused specifically because I was transgendered by a close family member. He knew I liked being dressed up and used that as an opportunity to initiate the abuse by pretending to be encouraging. It took a lot of therapy for me to get all of that out of my mouth and to stop feeling like I was "damaged goods" and not worthy of being loved. It helped me to make all the connections in my therapy to realize that this was what held me back in life, otherwise I would have probably transitioned as a teenager since I had the desire.
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Padma

Same here - sorting out the mess delayed my transition by 25 years, until I felt both safe and "worthy" enough. Against all odds, here we are - we're all kind of amazing *hugs*
Womandrogyne™
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Emily Aster

Quote from: Padma on February 06, 2013, 11:01:55 AM
Same here - sorting out the mess delayed my transition by 25 years, until I felt both safe and "worthy" enough. Against all odds, here we are - we're all kind of amazing *hugs*

Ditto. Took me a bit longer to just accept it, but there's still shame there. My friends are helping me get past that though :)
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King Malachite

"Even if you get the surgeries, they won't make me happy."

Im thinking to myself: Who are YOU to tell me what will make me happy and what won't make me happy?
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Felix

Quote from: Malachite on February 06, 2013, 08:48:37 PM
"Even if you get the surgeries, they won't make [you] happy."
Lol at "the surgeries." When people say that I always wonder what exactly they have in mind and how accurate it is. I have one friend who thinks that because I pass and got my name changed that I must have had "the surgery" and she doesn't really listen when I say I haven't had any that were trans-related.
everybody's house is haunted
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big kim

"You shouldn't have got a job dealing with the public if you can't take the abuse".from someone who said they were going to report me for telling them to go **** them self after he transphobically verbally abused me when I was a bus driver.I told him to go ahead as his name and address would be on the complaint form and I would be reporting him to the police.Guess what,I never heard anything further about it!
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kelly_aus

'But women have to have a vagina.'

This from someone who claims to be open-minded and accepting.

He freaked out when I suggested that there are men with vaginas.. He really couldn't grasp that.
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Victoria L.

"Sorry, I just don't think that way." - From one of my 'friends'.

As if him thinking a certain way has anything to do with what I am.  ::)

Note: this was after months where he had acted supportive of me and even switched to my female name, and female pronouns, along with encouraging a friend that was less supportive to be more supportive. So that makes this so much more annoying.
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Liminal Stranger

"You never had this problem before!"
"You would have never been like this if I had just kept your father away from you 10 years ago."
"All of this is from abuse."
"All of this is from the Internet."
"All of this is from that a-hole girl you met from your school who wants to be a man."
"All of this is nonsense you just put in your head."
"You can't change what you are." (No kidding -_-)
"Why can't you just accept the way you were born?"
"Why don't you want to be a woman? Why?"
"Give me one example of how you think like a man."
"The only people that will ever accept you are those psychotic freaks who think they're transgender, but they're all sick. All of them have some sort of mental illness."
"Women can do things too!"
"Hormone replacement therapy will give you cancer! Look what it did to your grandmother!" (She took a truckload of estrogen after menopause because she wanted to "feel youthful".)
"Testosterone isn't natural."
"They don't make that from yams."
"Why are you so naive?"
"Why do you believe everything on the Internet?"
"I can't leave you alone knowing that you're throwing your life away!"
"Just get over yourself."
"You know, I was so proud that you were defying all these gender stereotypes, but I can't accept this."
"You're nothing like a man. Now go shave your legs."
"You'll never be normal."
"You'll never be anything if you do this."
"Obviously, you're psychotic."
"We have to get another MRI of your head, because I think there's a massive tumor in your brain now."
"It's just self-image issues."
"You're just using this as a reason for why you're unhappy."
"You're just doing this because you don't fit in."
"If there was a test and it came back negative, would you go work this out with the therapist?" (I said if it were somehow tested, it would come back positive. I know what I am.)
"I'll make you a deal: You have one grandchild, a boy *rolls eyes*, and I'll let you be a boy."
-My mom on me being a transguy
Umm, no. Not only am I possibly infertile, but I would make a horrible dad, and on top of that she told me it would have to be a natural pregnancy. Two things: Unless someone sticks a needle up there after knocking me out, I'm not going to ever have a child in there; and if I did somehow, I would never be able to live with it.

Good job, mom. Make an insane offer to your underage kid and then tell him that he's the crazy one.




"And if you feel that you can't go on, in the light you will find the road"
- In the Light, Led Zeppelin
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Kevin Peña

Quote from: Liminal Stranger on February 09, 2013, 01:17:06 PM
1. "Give me one example of how you think like a man."

2. "Testosterone isn't natural."

1. I think to myself, "I'm a man."

2. Tell that to dad's balls the next time you see them.

Just some snappy comebacks.  :laugh:
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Liminal Stranger

Quote from: DianaP on February 09, 2013, 04:03:22 PM
1. I think to myself, "I'm a man."

2. Tell that to dad's balls the next time you see them.

Just some snappy comebacks.  :laugh:

Pffft... you never fail to crack me up, Diana! Though she spews out these lovely transphobic snippets whilst in Crazy Mode, making comebacks .5x as likely to even be heard. Now she told me there's something wrong with gay people.
Oh wait, I'm a trans guy dating a guy. By that logic, I'm double the crazy! Hooray!




"And if you feel that you can't go on, in the light you will find the road"
- In the Light, Led Zeppelin
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King Malachite

Quote from: Liminal Stranger on February 09, 2013, 01:17:06 PM
"You never had this problem before!"
"You would have never been like this if I had just kept your father away from you 10 years ago."
"All of this is from abuse."
"All of this is from the Internet."
"All of this is from that a-hole girl you met from your school who wants to be a man."
"All of this is nonsense you just put in your head."
"You can't change what you are." (No kidding -_-)
"Why can't you just accept the way you were born?"
"Why don't you want to be a woman? Why?"
"Give me one example of how you think like a man."
"The only people that will ever accept you are those psychotic freaks who think they're transgender, but they're all sick. All of them have some sort of mental illness."
"Women can do things too!"
"Hormone replacement therapy will give you cancer! Look what it did to your grandmother!" (She took a truckload of estrogen after menopause because she wanted to "feel youthful".)
"Testosterone isn't natural."
"They don't make that from yams."
"Why are you so naive?"
"Why do you believe everything on the Internet?"
"I can't leave you alone knowing that you're throwing your life away!"
"Just get over yourself."
"You know, I was so proud that you were defying all these gender stereotypes, but I can't accept this."
"You're nothing like a man. Now go shave your legs."
"You'll never be normal."
"You'll never be anything if you do this."
"Obviously, you're psychotic."
"We have to get another MRI of your head, because I think there's a massive tumor in your brain now."
"It's just self-image issues."
"You're just using this as a reason for why you're unhappy."
"You're just doing this because you don't fit in."
"If there was a test and it came back negative, would you go work this out with the therapist?" (I said if it were somehow tested, it would come back positive. I know what I am.)
"I'll make you a deal: You have one grandchild, a boy *rolls eyes*, and I'll let you be a boy."
-My mom on me being a transguy
Umm, no. Not only am I possibly infertile, but I would make a horrible dad, and on top of that she told me it would have to be a natural pregnancy. Two things: Unless someone sticks a needle up there after knocking me out, I'm not going to ever have a child in there; and if I did somehow, I would never be able to live with it.

Good job, mom. Make an insane offer to your underage kid and then tell him that he's the crazy one.

I'm bored so I'm going to write why my replies would be if my mom said those things to me (if I had the courage to, that is):


"You never had this problem before!"

Yes I have.

"You would have never been like this if I had just kept your father away from you 10 years ago.""All of this is from abuse."

No, I probably wouldn't have been like this if my father gave me the "Y" chromosome."


"All of this is from the Internet."


I've been feeling this way long before I was introduced to the internet.  All the internet has done was make me realize that I'm not alone in my thinking.

"All of this is from that a-hole girl you met from your school who wants to be a man."
(Assuming I knew such a person)

Again, I've had these feelings long before I knew that person.

"All of this is nonsense you just put in your head."

It's not nonsense and I didn't have to "put" it in my head.  It was already there.

"You can't change what you are." (No kidding -_-)

You're right.  I will always be a biological female.  That won't stop me from being the man who I will become though.

"Why can't you just accept the way you were born?"

Do you walk up to those who were born with a hearing impairment and have hearing devices and ask thm why can't they accept the way they were born?  Do you ask those who were born without the ability to walk without assitances why can't they accept the way they were born?

"Why don't you want to be a woman? Why?"It's not a matter of "wanting".  If I could be a woman and be happy, then I would be.  That would save a lot of time and money, but sadly, that's not the case.  I'm not a woman.

"Give me one example of how you think like a man."

I don't have to prove myself to you.  Go ask a man on the street to give you an example of how they think like a man.

"The only people that will ever accept you are those psychotic freaks who think they're transgender, but they're all sick. All of them have some sort of mental illness."

Have you spoken to the other 6 billion people on the planet to confirm that they won't accept me?


"Women can do things too!"

Of course they can!  Women just don't stop doing things because I'm transgender.

"Hormone replacement therapy will give you cancer! Look what it did to your grandmother!" (She took a truckload of estrogen after menopause because she wanted to "feel youthful".)

This is why all HRT should be monitered under strict doctor's care.  Besides, I'm not my grandmother so her problems are not my problems.


"Testosterone isn't natural."

Glasses aren't either, but people still wear them.

"They don't make that from yams."

What?

"Why are you so naive?"

According to Dictonary.com , the definition of "naive" is:  Showing a lack of experience, wisdom, or judgment

By this definition, you are technically naive too because you are showing a lack of experience, wisdom, or judgement when it comes to transgender issues.


"Why do you believe everything on the Internet?"

I don't believe "everything" on the internet.  There are over 1 million sites and I don't have time to go through them all.


"I can't leave you alone knowing that you're throwing your life away!"

I'm not throwing my life away.  I'm just making decisions for myself for once.


"Just get over yourself."

Okay.  I will once I do what needs to be done in order for me to be happy.


"You know, I was so proud that you were defying all these gender stereotypes, but I can't accept this."

It's not for you to accept.

"You're nothing like a man. Now go shave your legs."

There's not one only way to be a man and I there are some women who don't shave their legs.

"You'll never be normal."

Who said I wanted to be normal?

"You'll never be anything if you do this."

Yes I will.  I will be happy.

"Obviously, you're psychotic."

Well, you had me so what does that say about you? The apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

"We have to get another MRI of your head, because I think there's a massive tumor in your brain now."

"It's just self-image issues."

Everyone has them and deals with them differently.  This is how I will deal with mine.

"You're just using this as a reason for why you're unhappy."

Nope.  This IS the reason why I'm unhappy.

"You're just doing this because you don't fit in."

Yeah, because being transgender in this society makes you fit in like a pair of one-size-fits-all jeans.

"If there was a test and it came back negative, would you go work this out with the therapist?" (I said if it were somehow tested, it would come back positive. I know what I am.)

I would work it out with a therapist whether it came back positive or negative.  That is usually the first step.

"I'll make you a deal: You have one grandchild, a boy *rolls eyes*, and I'll let you be a boy."

No.
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"Anomalies can make the best revolutionaries."
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